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Post by lynroy on Mar 29, 2017 9:16:05 GMT
I'm enjoying Ryder a lot. Tom Taylorson's voice acting is on point. Not sure anything can beat jerk Shepard for me.
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Post by qwib on Mar 29, 2017 9:26:13 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 9:38:01 GMT
I admit I was worried about having such a young protagonist but I've been pleasantly surprised. I have female Ryder and her VA is amazing, she puts just enough emotion into the lines without ever being over the top, and there haven't yet been any flat lines of dialogue either. I'm also enjoying being uncertain and new at being in charge, it's very well written. I'm playing her as a badass who loves adventure and mostly using the casual and professional lines, with the odd logical and emotional one thrown in. There have been the typical BioWare moments where I've clicked a response that reads as being blunt or cruel, and worried about what they'd say, however the dialogue that happens is great and I honestly haven't wanted to replay that many moments. I replay dialogue in Inquisition ALL THE DAMN TIME as it's often not what I intended to say, however ME:A is spot on almost every time. Not having the super hard badass who's over confident....well...I love Shepard but I've gotta say it's been awesome so far and a nice contrast. Plus that's who Ryder is, she's young, suddenly thrown into a role that's too big for her, and no one thought she'd get the job so they're all worried about it. It would be odd if she was super arrogant or over confident, odd if she walked around like she owned the place or was downright cruel to the aliens. All of that was appropriate and a lot of fun in ME1 but it's not what this character or story is about, and if they made her mean or evil it would just be for the sake of it and not for the benefit of the story. Kudos to BioWare on their creation of Ryder, from me anyway. I'm the one over here in the background giving you guys a thumbs up whilst the rest of the crowd run at you with torches and pitchforks.
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Post by Warrick on Mar 29, 2017 10:09:31 GMT
I admit I was worried about having such a young protagonist but I've been pleasantly surprised. I have female Ryder and her VA is amazing, she puts just enough emotion into the lines without ever being over the top, and there haven't yet been any flat lines of dialogue either. I'm also enjoying being uncertain and new at being in charge, it's very well written. I'm playing her as a badass who loves adventure and mostly using the casual and professional lines, with the odd logical and emotional one thrown in. There have been the typical BioWare moments where I've clicked a response that reads as being blunt or cruel, and worried about what they'd say, however the dialogue that happens is great and I honestly haven't wanted to replay that many moments. I replay dialogue in Inquisition ALL THE DAMN TIME as it's often not what I intended to say, however ME:A is spot on almost every time. Not having the super hard badass who's over confident....well...I love Shepard but I've gotta say it's been awesome so far and a nice contrast. Plus that's who Ryder is, she's young, suddenly thrown into a role that's too big for her, and no one thought she'd get the job so they're all worried about it. It would be odd if she was super arrogant or over confident, odd if she walked around like she owned the place or was downright cruel to the aliens. All of that was appropriate and a lot of fun in ME1 but it's not what this character or story is about, and if they made her mean or evil it would just be for the sake of it and not for the benefit of the story. Kudos to BioWare on their creation of Ryder, from me anyway. I'm the one over here in the background giving you guys a thumbs up whilst the rest of the crowd run at you with torches and pitchforks. There seems to be a tradeoff. Malleability and quality. Trevor Phillips is a riot. He's also hardcoded. There seems to be more of that this time around than in previous games. I think the challenge in CRPGs is to give room for role playing without making a character bland. The right balance will be at different points in the continuum for different players. Maybe AAA games are moving away from that, refusing the tradeoff altogether. The Witcher and Fallout 4 did the same thing - offer flavours of a line, if they're offered at all. It makes more and more sense to "play as Sara", "play as Scott", "play as Geralt", "play as Franklin"... It's a matter of adjusting expectations and taking the game for what it offers.
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Post by bl4ck7h0rn3 on Mar 29, 2017 10:24:22 GMT
I love Scott, pretty much every choice I make is Casual just because of how good the one-liners are. I'm planning to do a Sara playthrough next but I can defo see myself making multiple Scott accounts just to explore his personality further.
This whole game feels very...Firefly...and I like that.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Mar 29, 2017 10:28:36 GMT
Best protagonist so far.
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Post by flyingovertrout on Mar 29, 2017 10:55:23 GMT
Yeah one of the things I've been enjoying is making DudeRyder distinct from my FemShep. Tom really nails those casual replies.
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Post by fraggle on Mar 29, 2017 12:27:26 GMT
I'm at a point in the game where I can see that they gave us some choices, even some more ruthless ones. That's cool because it can add to Ryder as a character if we want to. He can become more experienced, more hardened and so on. The sad thing for me personally is that none of these actions are reflected by the usual everything-is-peachy dialogue we get while chatting with people. It makes for an inconsistent Ryder. Bioware told us they'd go more into the "grey" area, but for me up to this point, it's more black and white than ever. Ryder's personality is set to be the good guy. Maybe it's my own fault for expecting something different, but I had thought we can actually let Ryder be more grey. Shepard worked perfectly for morally grey decisions because a Paragon could use some Renegade choices and vice versa. Or try to stay neutral. It was an exciting mix that also allowed people to go all psycho or heroic for those who wanted it. I'm aware that Bioware always presses a certain stamp on their characters, but the thing is they let us do a lot with Shepard that they didn't allow with Ryder. I don't want to hate on Ryder at all and I found my way to enjoy playing him (well, mostly for when I replay), but there need to be more varied tones in dialogue. Ryder could've been awesome if we were allowed to throw in some spice. Ryder IS green, but that doesn't mean they only have to be nice and funny, which can be even more immersion-breaking in the situation they are in. Yeah, let them be arrogant or an arsehole if people want to. It'd be a choice, while people who enjoy sassy Ryder can still do exactly that
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 12:59:50 GMT
I agree, Malcom Reynolds,Starlord, Scott Ryder is a great contrast to Commander Shepard.
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Post by dragontartare on Mar 29, 2017 13:11:05 GMT
nice is the word isn't it. the only choice you ever have is casual nice and professional nice. for all the amusing one liners there is no getting around the fact that this makes ryder far more one dimensional than shepard ever was. Don't take this as a hater comment hell i'm 70+ hours in now and still having a blast but let's be objective, casual nice, professional nice, that's it, ain't good, shepard had more range than that. Couldn't agree more with this. Yeah, if people can enjoy Ryder, that's great. I do too, but there's literally only one way to play them. I love RPing, but it will never be possible with Ryder because they're so one-sided. Professional Ryder clashes with autodialogue and the humour that's shoved in it, so I guess a funny/sassy Ryder is the only way it would feel natural with the tone of the game. Shepard's backstories alone are more varied and it has a lot more replay value in terms of that and because of how different Shepard can feel. If they continue into a MEA trilogy with Ryder, I seriously hope there's more dialogue tones next time. 4 times "nice" just doesn't cut it in a Bioware game. It's terrible. I agree as well. The Inquisitor has the same problem with dialogue tones: nice, nice dad jokes, nice but confused, and then very occasionally, Quiz goes off the deep end with extreme racism. Ryder so far is a bit of an improvement over the Inquisitor, but still doesn't hold a candle to Shepard in my opinion.
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Post by Ieldra on Mar 29, 2017 13:16:14 GMT
More casual, for me, often more sarcastic, and refreshingly profane at times. "Is everyone on this planet a lying asshole?" I was in tears. I agree. Ryder's a protagonist that fit me rather more than Shepard. Most important: no canonical stupidity this time. At least not yet. Still too much autodialogue though. Occasionally even of the character-defining type. And I wish I could make a decent Sara Ryder face with this fucked-up CC. Also, I agree with the complaints about too little variety and too much "nice-ness". I don't mind as yet, but the time will come when I'll want to play a more confrontative type. Regardless, so far Ryder >>>>>> Shepard. Not that this is really a surprise considering how much I came to dislike Shepard ever more the more the MET progressed to its end.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 13:43:53 GMT
I like both. Actually all three. Or six. Renegade Shepard, Paragon Shepard and Ryder, Male and Female. I am not relieved to go from one to another, I juts love them all. And M!Hawke too. And Smuggler, Bounty Hunter, Trooper and Consular. I just love the Bio protagonists when they happen to click for me between personality and VA. When it doesn't work, I find it hard to play it. But all Shepards and Ryders are great imo.
I love RP'ing both the badass and the lovable rogue archetypes, so, yeah, I am happy with Shepard, and I am happy with Ryder. But not with DA-Inquisitor or Warden, or Imperial Agent kindda deal.
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Post by timebean on Mar 29, 2017 13:51:25 GMT
I gotta say a lot of people are commenting on how the Emotional/ Casual lines are adding a lot of humanity to Ryder...and I agree...but generally speaking the professional/ logical lines haven't been too shabby either. My first Ryder is kind of an idealistic scientist so it is really nice and adds a nice balance even though perhaps 80 % of her dialog is casual/ emotional she can sometimes switch on the 'logical' part of her brain and make a smart sounding comment. Adds a lot of depth to her overall performance. A depth and nuance that probably has not exisisted in a BioWare protag since Shepard in ME 2. I mean as much as I liked Hawke he had about as much nuance as a freight trane. 100% agree. About 90% of my female Ryder's dailouge has been logical or professional, cause I am rolling that she loves science, loves exploration, and is desperately trying to do a good job. She is also a bit reserved. But I am slowing adding in more emotional stuff as she becomes closer to the crew (or when she gets pissed). I have only used casual dialouge when she is trying to trick someone OR when the situation is just so damned ridiculous that she slips. I am really digging this playthrough, even though it does not have a bunch of one-liners. However, I am looking forward to playing a snarky fly-by-the-seat of his pants Ryder in my next PT.
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Post by mastert on Mar 29, 2017 14:01:44 GMT
How can you people even use casual or emotional,let alone enjoy it.
I forced myself to see it for myself and its so cringy tween shit I just couldn't.
Also better than shepard??? What the fuck
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 29, 2017 14:01:54 GMT
I found Ryder to be more relatable than Shepard. Guess it was by design. Yeah I think I like the Ryder I've been playin ga lot more than my Shep's tbh in trems of personality. I knew I liked Sara in the trailers but playing her in the game itself now I'm really loving it atm. She's a wonderful character just as her crew are. Ryder's proving to be a good successor to Shepard I think atm.
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Post by AGECCR on Mar 29, 2017 14:11:08 GMT
I had no idea what to expect with Ryder going into this game. I was pleasantly surprised just how much I loved her and how cool she turned out to be. And the biggest cool? She grew as the game went and I saw her stepping on the road Shepard travels, so to speak - becoming a hero the galaxy needs. I had seen the N7 armor to create and I didn't feel like it was right because I had it so ingrained with Shepard and people of her caliber. However, I decided to craft it and wear it for the final mission and I'm so glad I did. It fit her. <- So cool :sob:
My Shepard was Paragon, Earthborn (with no record of her family), Infiltrator, a reserved and professional soldier, also a confident flirt that didn't think she'd be good mother material. Sara is Heart and Professional, has a family she feels very much for, Sentinel, bubbly and sweet, a nervous flirt (with Jaal, at least) and I see her as wanting a family. <- There different but both fantastic.
Plus, Fryda Wolf's performance was great. Worthy to stand next to Hale's.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Mar 29, 2017 14:11:58 GMT
I admit I was worried about having such a young protagonist but I've been pleasantly surprised. I have female Ryder and her VA is amazing, she puts just enough emotion into the lines without ever being over the top, and there haven't yet been any flat lines of dialogue either. I'm also enjoying being uncertain and new at being in charge, it's very well written. I'm playing her as a badass who loves adventure and mostly using the casual and professional lines, with the odd logical and emotional one thrown in. There have been the typical BioWare moments where I've clicked a response that reads as being blunt or cruel, and worried about what they'd say, however the dialogue that happens is great and I honestly haven't wanted to replay that many moments. I replay dialogue in Inquisition ALL THE DAMN TIME as it's often not what I intended to say, however ME:A is spot on almost every time. Not having the super hard badass who's over confident....well...I love Shepard but I've gotta say it's been awesome so far and a nice contrast. Plus that's who Ryder is, she's young, suddenly thrown into a role that's too big for her, and no one thought she'd get the job so they're all worried about it. It would be odd if she was super arrogant or over confident, odd if she walked around like she owned the place or was downright cruel to the aliens. All of that was appropriate and a lot of fun in ME1 but it's not what this character or story is about, and if they made her mean or evil it would just be for the sake of it and not for the benefit of the story. Kudos to BioWare on their creation of Ryder, from me anyway. I'm the one over here in the background giving you guys a thumbs up whilst the rest of the crowd run at you with torches and pitchforks. Yeah finding female Ryder awesome as well and my Ryder is kind of approaching things the asme way showing she cares about the people and team under her command but trying to remain professional too under pressure. So far she's handled the job well. But she like everyone on her team knows it's a long road ahead for everyone. But she's determined to get everyone on the right track because she knows it's the only way they're going to survive in Andromeda.
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Post by xquantumx on Mar 29, 2017 14:13:12 GMT
More casual and relatable IMO. I used to put myself in Shep's shoes (obv) during the MET but here, I actually feel like it's me. I lean towards science but I'm no slouch in a fight, and I can be hella sarcastic. That's pretty much my Ryder too. I like the hopeful nature of this new iteration.
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Post by jastall on Mar 29, 2017 14:18:46 GMT
Ryder is fast growing on me too. He's certainly more relatable than Shepard, and I'm pretty sure it was by design; after how larger than life Shepard ended up being, trying to equal or outdo him would probably have led into something a bit ridiculous. So Bioware dialed it down into a more human protagonist.
My only pet peeve is that we don't have enough opportunities to be a jerk. It's not a big problem since I usually don't play a jerk, but still.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 29, 2017 14:55:19 GMT
Ryder is fast growing on me too. He's certainly more relatable than Shepard, and I'm pretty sure it was by design; after how larger than life Shepard ended up being, trying to equal or outdo him would probably have led into something a bit ridiculous. So Bioware dialed it down into a more human protagonist. My only pet peeve is that we don't have enough opportunities to be a jerk. It's not a big problem since I usually don't play a jerk, but still. I don't usually play the jerk either, but i think it should always be an option in games like this. Just because i am not using those options doesn't mean others should be without access to them.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Mar 29, 2017 17:14:52 GMT
How can you people even use casual or emotional,let alone enjoy it. I forced myself to see it for myself and its so cringy tween shit I just couldn't. Also better than shepard??? What the fuck The answer to that is easy. When it comes to Shepard, you more or less are playing as Shepard(at least to me). A lot of the way he responded wouldn't have been the way I would have. Ryder on the other hand is me. I can relate to him and his dialogue because the way he responds is the way I actually do a lot of the times. I love giving out bad puns and one liners even when I know they sound bad because it's fun.
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Post by KaiserShep on Mar 29, 2017 17:32:48 GMT
I love Ryder, and greatly prefer her over Shepard. Finally having a wide-eyed explorer who's actually smart and into science is such a welcome change.
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Post by ymirr on Mar 29, 2017 17:40:42 GMT
Shepard was for me a means to play out the story the way I wanted, Ryder is a character I grew to like.
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Post by Vacceo on Mar 29, 2017 17:49:59 GMT
I like the fact that the game reminds you quite often that even with the title of Pathfinder, your authority is not near absolute on many issues. This is quite evident with the Krogan (as it should be, you don´t mess with a species whose individuals have no issue on tearing you in half), but more easy going factions and individuals remind you often times that your word is valued but far from absolute.
It is also quite nice with your companions as you are not a walking legend like Shepard, you actually have to earn their appreciation. It is quite clear with hardboiled characters who have been through a lot like Vetra or Drack: you have to do some work to get them to care about you.
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Post by SilentK on Mar 29, 2017 17:56:09 GMT
I have replayed my mass effect trilogy games so so many times and love my FemShep.
But I must say, I haven't even finished the first PT and I just adore my emotional Sara Ryder. She is emotional and professional, just a person with a big heart but that doesn't mean that she cannot get the job done. She will switch on to ass-kicking mode like woahh when the situation calls for it.
Keeping all my fingers crossed for loads of dlc and pretty please keep Sara and Scott for the next game as well. Have had a great time watching her grow, from her first quite awkward ship-meeting and a few hilarious flirts to becoming more sure of herself. My FemShep is the awesome woman that I just admire so much, but I find my Ryder more relatable.
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