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Post by solustein on Mar 29, 2017 15:38:50 GMT
Isnt it kind of a waste of potential to base 75% of all quests around the very same people you brought with you? Most of the enemies you fight are either Kett/rem or milky way races. So all in all you only met 2 new races in the entire game plot.......4 worlds and only 2 races met. Everyone else is there to ruin and jeopardize the expedition. How did they pick people for this like wtf.........
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Post by warcrow on Mar 29, 2017 15:43:24 GMT
Totally agree.
So far (I'm only 15 hours into the game but have visited 3 planets) there have not been a lot of new discoveries, which is unfortunate. I am hoping they also play around with strange things like gravity and the effect of low gravity on biology, species w/o two legs re: hanar.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 29, 2017 15:52:22 GMT
Actually it makes sense that people would leave the initiative to become exiles or raiders if you listened to the conversations of pretty much anyone on the nexus.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 16:00:56 GMT
Isnt it kind of a waste of potential to base 75% of all quests around the very same people you brought with you? Most of the enemies you fight are either Kett/rem or milky way races. So all in all you only met 2 new races in the entire game plot.......4 worlds and only 2 races met. Everyone else is there to ruin and jeopardize the expedition. How did they pick people for this like wtf......... Abso-fracking-lutely. The rather contrived "Nexus uprising" is a convenient way to explain how "some people that came here are now bad people" It seems very strange that you, as Pathfinder, have to deal with everyone's shit though. You aren't Shepard. You don't have Spectre status to go beyond the law. You don't have a hero's reputation that can influence people. You are just a man who's father died and now you've inherited his role as lead explorer. It's silly, and breaks the narrative, that you are still being asked to do explorer quests, and combat quests, and collectathon quests, etc. Too many quests in this game, you receive, and the first thing you think about is.. "why me? I'm not even remotely suited to being the best person on the Nexus to do this" Many of the early quests are RIGHT UP Kandros' ally (some you even need to go speak to him get permission to DO HIS JOB FOR HIM!? Wtff)
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 16:02:42 GMT
Actually it makes sense that people would leave the initiative to become exiles or raiders if you listened to the conversations of pretty much anyone on the nexus. "I'm going to leave this fully self-sufficient, safe, and organized space station, in a galaxy we know nothing about, because my feelings were hurt". Sorry. That doesn't make any sense.
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Post by solustein on Mar 29, 2017 16:04:15 GMT
Actually it makes sense that people would leave the initiative to become exiles or raiders if you listened to the conversations of pretty much anyone on the nexus. yes and you also learn that every single person part of the Initiative who was on the Nexus were trained and pre-scanned for this. They were supposed to be the best of the best, the best gene pool that the milky way had to offer. The nexus had a skeleton crew, imo maybe like 5-10k people. And yet....it feels like everyone on the arks woke up and picked a side.....its retarded and imo a poor excuse for creating another enemy. its like when your to lazy to find another sock to match the pair, so you make do with the next oddball you find.
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Post by solustein on Mar 29, 2017 16:05:51 GMT
Actually it makes sense that people would leave the initiative to become exiles or raiders if you listened to the conversations of pretty much anyone on the nexus. "I'm going to leave this fully self-sufficient, safe, and organized space station, in a galaxy we know nothing about, because my feelings were hurt". Sorry. That doesn't make any sense. Exactly, you would think that the Nexus would be the safe haven for all people from the milky way. A place that wouldn't have half as many conflicts as the game portrays. You spend at least 10hrs of gameplay just fixing sabotaging systems or keeping supplies from cryo-chambers from being stolen.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 16:16:07 GMT
"I'm going to leave this fully self-sufficient, safe, and organized space station, in a galaxy we know nothing about, because my feelings were hurt". Sorry. That doesn't make any sense. Exactly, you would think that the Nexus would be the safe haven for all people from the milky way. A place that wouldn't have half as many conflicts as the game portrays. You spend at least 10hrs of gameplay just fixing sabotaging systems or keeping supplies from cryo-chambers from being stolen. Yep. Or, with all those people stuck in space under desperate times, tension would surely be somewhat natural. But for people to actively leave the Nexus? That just sounds.... stupid. Were there no screening processes to ensure that the Initiative didn't bring along nutjobs and psychos with them? Was there no plan in place for civil disobedience that would have prevented things like the Uprising? The problem with Andromeda is that so much of the early game is so heavily contrived, that it effects the writing moving forward.
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Post by solustein on Mar 29, 2017 16:26:20 GMT
Exactly, you would think that the Nexus would be the safe haven for all people from the milky way. A place that wouldn't have half as many conflicts as the game portrays. You spend at least 10hrs of gameplay just fixing sabotaging systems or keeping supplies from cryo-chambers from being stolen. Yep. Or, with all those people stuck in space under desperate times, tension would surely be somewhat natural. But for people to actively leave the Nexus? That just sounds.... stupid. Were there no screening processes to ensure that the Initiative didn't bring along nutjobs and psychos with them? Was there no plan in place for civil disobedience that would have prevented things like the Uprising? The problem with Andromeda is that so much of the early game is so heavily contrived, that it effects the writing moving forward. it just feels really last minute and lazily done.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Mar 29, 2017 16:45:59 GMT
Actually it makes sense that people would leave the initiative to become exiles or raiders if you listened to the conversations of pretty much anyone on the nexus. "I'm going to leave this fully self-sufficient, safe, and organized space station, in a galaxy we know nothing about, because my feelings were hurt". Sorry. That doesn't make any sense. The nexus was barely self-sufficient when Ryder first arrives, it was collapsing and numerous times it's mentioned that they were having a hard time just running the thing because of a lack of resources. I didn't buy into at first but it makes sense when you look at the context of it. Would you rather die hold up in a station that's going to break apart eventually or settle kadarra and make your own life free from director tann?
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Post by havard on Mar 29, 2017 16:49:10 GMT
The lack of species is explained later on in the game too. The kett having an empire spanning multiple clusters and incorporating other species DNA into their own + exterminating the unwilling.
It's actually rather neatly explained.
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Post by ymirr on Mar 29, 2017 16:50:37 GMT
Exactly, you would think that the Nexus would be the safe haven for all people from the milky way. A place that wouldn't have half as many conflicts as the game portrays. You spend at least 10hrs of gameplay just fixing sabotaging systems or keeping supplies from cryo-chambers from being stolen. Yep. Or, with all those people stuck in space under desperate times, tension would surely be somewhat natural. But for people to actively leave the Nexus? That just sounds.... stupid. Were there no screening processes to ensure that the Initiative didn't bring along nutjobs and psychos with them? Was there no plan in place for civil disobedience that would have prevented things like the Uprising? The problem with Andromeda is that so much of the early game is so heavily contrived, that it effects the writing moving forward. You make it sound like they left because they felt like it, not really what it means to be exiled. Plan for civil disobedience? A lot of the exiles were from the security forces. Head of security eventually saw the other side's point and joined them. Etc....
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 16:56:09 GMT
Yep. Or, with all those people stuck in space under desperate times, tension would surely be somewhat natural. But for people to actively leave the Nexus? That just sounds.... stupid. Were there no screening processes to ensure that the Initiative didn't bring along nutjobs and psychos with them? Was there no plan in place for civil disobedience that would have prevented things like the Uprising? The problem with Andromeda is that so much of the early game is so heavily contrived, that it effects the writing moving forward. You make it sound like they left because they felt like it, not really what it means to be exiled. Plan for civil disobedience? A lot of the exiles were from the security forces. Head of security eventually saw the other side's point and joined them. Etc.... Listen to their stories. Especially on Kadara. "Thought I'd try it out here on my own" "Didn't trust Tann / Addison" "Didn't trust the Initiative was going in the right direction" Doesn't sound like they were forced off the Nexus, so much as they chose to left. Some of them, anyway.
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Post by ymirr on Mar 29, 2017 17:01:21 GMT
You make it sound like they left because they felt like it, not really what it means to be exiled. Plan for civil disobedience? A lot of the exiles were from the security forces. Head of security eventually saw the other side's point and joined them. Etc.... Listen to their stories. Especially on Kadara. "Thought I'd try it out here on my own" "Didn't trust Tann / Addison" "Didn't trust the Initiative was going in the right direction" Doesn't sound like they were forced off the Nexus, so much as they chose to left. Some of them, anyway. Your examples sounds like descriptions of why the rebellion started. Some may leave because they had families among the exiles. "thought I'd try it out here on my own" Kadara isn't the only place you find exiles, so it could just as well have been a choice to try and live on Kadara rather than anywhere else.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 17:05:50 GMT
Listen to their stories. Especially on Kadara. "Thought I'd try it out here on my own" "Didn't trust Tann / Addison" "Didn't trust the Initiative was going in the right direction" Doesn't sound like they were forced off the Nexus, so much as they chose to left. Some of them, anyway. Your examples sounds like descriptions of why the rebellion started. Some may leave because they had families among the exiles. "thought I'd try it out here on my own" Kadara isn't the only place you find exiles, so it could just as well have been a choice to try and live on Kadara rather than anywhere else. Point is - people leaving the Nexus on their own accord, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So much of the early parts of this game are so contrived that the writing struggles as a result of it.
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Post by Wintermist on Mar 29, 2017 17:10:22 GMT
It makes a lot of sense to leave the Nexus, I probably would have too regardless if I was involved with the rebellion or not. Once the rebellion happened most of the security forces was gone, and you was left on a vulnerable station in a hostile environment with no resources or protection.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 17:25:13 GMT
It makes a lot of sense to leave the Nexus, I probably would have too regardless if I was involved with the rebellion or not. Once the rebellion happened most of the security forces was gone, and you was left on a vulnerable station in a hostile environment with no resources or protection. It makes sense when you explain it that way. The game doesn't really ever try to explain it that way, nor back up its explanation with meaningful NPC content.
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Post by ymirr on Mar 29, 2017 17:29:55 GMT
Your examples sounds like descriptions of why the rebellion started. Some may leave because they had families among the exiles. "thought I'd try it out here on my own" Kadara isn't the only place you find exiles, so it could just as well have been a choice to try and live on Kadara rather than anywhere else. Point is - people leaving the Nexus on their own accord, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So much of the early parts of this game are so contrived that the writing struggles as a result of it. Point is - they were exiled. Anyone leaving after that point could have various reasons in which one could only guess by the info the game gives. Split families, resources stretched thin, loss of the leaders you joined the AI for replaced with inadequate people.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 17:59:21 GMT
Point is - people leaving the Nexus on their own accord, makes absolutely no sense whatsoever. So much of the early parts of this game are so contrived that the writing struggles as a result of it. Point is - they were exiled. Anyone leaving after that point could have various reasons in which one could only guess by the info the game gives. Split families, resources stretched thin, loss of the leaders you joined the AI for replaced with inadequate people. If they leave on their own, it's not exile. I promise you, it's not a complicated concept.
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Post by ymirr on Mar 29, 2017 18:26:55 GMT
Point is - they were exiled. Anyone leaving after that point could have various reasons in which one could only guess by the info the game gives. Split families, resources stretched thin, loss of the leaders you joined the AI for replaced with inadequate people. If they leave on their own, it's not exile. I promise you, it's not a complicated concept. What I've been trying to tell you is, as the game tells you in journals and codexes, as the people in the game tells you, they were exiled. Why you for some reason choose to completely ignore that, I don't know. The krogan won the fight, and the remaining survivors of the uprising got exiled by the AI leaders.
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Post by Wintermist on Mar 29, 2017 18:30:05 GMT
There are both exiles and people who left on their own accord.
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Post by mastert on Mar 29, 2017 18:32:27 GMT
Totally agree. So far (I'm only 15 hours into the game but have visited 3 planets) there have not been a lot of new discoveries, which is unfortunate. I am hoping they also play around with strange things like gravity and the effect of low gravity on biology, species w/o two legs re: hanar. Nope in mass effect every species talks English acts like humans, all races breath oxygen and live in planets with the same gravity. Also have the same technology with vehicles that look exactly the same but in a different paint job. The kett the angaran and the humans habe vehicles on planets that look the same, also use tables and chairs that don't look much different and the architecture is hardly different.
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 29, 2017 18:33:58 GMT
Actually it makes sense that people would leave the initiative to become exiles or raiders if you listened to the conversations of pretty much anyone on the nexus. "I'm going to leave this fully self-sufficient, safe, and organized space station, in a galaxy we know nothing about, because my feelings were hurt". Sorry. That doesn't make any sense. No one said everyone was thinking rational.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 18:36:53 GMT
If they leave on their own, it's not exile. I promise you, it's not a complicated concept. What I've been trying to tell you is, as the game tells you in journals and codexes, as the people in the game tells you, they were exiled. Why you for some reason choose to completely ignore that, I don't know. The krogan won the fight, and the remaining survivors of the uprising got exiled by the AI leaders. Because. Not. Everyone. Who. Left. Was. Exiled. Some. People. Chose. To. Leave. Just. Because.
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Post by ticktak77 on Mar 29, 2017 18:38:06 GMT
"I'm going to leave this fully self-sufficient, safe, and organized space station, in a galaxy we know nothing about, because my feelings were hurt". Sorry. That doesn't make any sense. No one said everyone was thinking rational. When screening people to come on an Initiative that spanned over 600 years, 200 million light years away, into a galaxy unknown, surely "rational thinker" should have been one of the things that needed to be on top of the resumse...?
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