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Post by RussianGuyovich1313 on Apr 2, 2017 12:12:40 GMT
This isnt much a retcon, but more like a writing continuity issue. When you arrive on Asari arc, which had no previous contact to the nexus, they still somehow identify this foreign alien hostile race with the same "kett" term as the nexus guys. How did they know what they're called? Did they call them "kett" too? And speak of that name, why do the angara call these guys "kett" too? Like, there's no line of dialogue that goes: "Oh yeah we have been calling them "gazorpazorpians" for the past few hundread years, but we'll stick with "kett" for your convenience.
Or is it just the translator's work? Speaking of translators, how the fuck do they even work? They can translate things perfectly whilst giving these foreign alien species different accents (?) but it can't find a variation word for "small village"? And further on, have we ever SEEN where thse translators are located? Like, when Fem Ryder is having naked snoo snoo with Jaal, is she still wearing the translator? is it in her omntitool? It's always been bugging me, not just in MEA
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Post by Dean The Not-so Young on Apr 2, 2017 12:12:49 GMT
Something else, not a retcon, but illogical all the same.
After encountering the Kett and their armed ships, it never occurs to anyone to try and install at the very least shields and point defense weapons on the nexus, and some armaments on other ships of the initiative, like the Tempest?...
They talk all the time about their precious APEX teams, but they ignore the fact that combat doesn't happen only on the ground, and that an enemy with air/space superiority can just bomb you into dust.
They have access to new weapons and remnant tech, they couldn't do anything with it?
They couldn't find a more strategic use for a REMNANT DRIVE CORE than use it as a power generator for the Krogan colony? Like say, power weapons and shields for the Nexus?... With what weapons from where? Even ignoring certain fundamental design problems- even in the ME universe dreadnoughts are built around the gun not the other way around- even if you think slapping missile boxes on everything would be a good idea, you still need missile boxes to slap on. The Nexus didn't carry them, so that means they'd have to be created, and the Nexus really isn't in a position to do that. This is an effort that doesn't even have self-sufficient farming down, let alone orbital manufacturing. We're talking a space station that hasn't even finished constructing itself, or even capable of being self-powered. Even putting aside the question of time commitments for any retrofitting- MEA takes place on a span of weeks to months, which might not be enough even if they started from day 1- before you can have ships with weapons you need weapons to mount on the ships. That industry- which requires production- which requires power and resources the Nexus doesn't have. The colonization effort has fabricators on the scale of small arms and component parts. We havent' seen anything capable of retrofitting a ship. They talk all the time about their precious APEX teams because APEX teams are all they have. They literally have to lean out the door to shoot other ships if they have to. That's probably not a matter of choice.
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Post by RussianGuyovich1313 on Apr 2, 2017 12:13:41 GMT
What if the ambient conversation in question is from some rogue SJW asari who wants to upend her species' biology? I'll pretend that's the case and leave it there. It's not like humans ever invent additional genders or identities to make themselves feel special from the rest, right? Ugh, they even added the "I'm so sorry for using wrong gender pronouns" thing with that angara. Ugh, what's next? "Krogan lives matter?"
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Post by Dean The Not-so Young on Apr 2, 2017 12:19:25 GMT
This isnt much a retcon, but more like a writing continuity issue. When you arrive on Asari arc, which had no previous contact to the nexus, they still somehow identify this foreign alien hostile race with the same "kett" term as the nexus guys. How did they know what they're called? Did they call them "kett" too? And speak of that name, why do the angara call these guys "kett" too? Like, there's no line of dialogue that goes: "Oh yeah we have been calling them "gazorpazorpians" for the past few hundread years, but we'll stick with "kett" for your convenience. There's also no line about why they speak English, or why you see english letters when you read their data pads. The answer to all of this is 'translators.' Which are admittedly somewhat magical in the Mass Effect universe anyway- ever notice how everyone's lips are synched to a language most people in-setting would bother to learn?- but once the translator has enough context to know that 'gazorpazorpians' means 'kett', why wouldn't it translate for your convenience? Being convenient for you is kinda why it exists. The same way they've worked in all of Mass Effect: space magic and just roll with it. This is just one of the conceits of science fiction you have to accept, unless you want actual jibberish you won't understand. (Star Wars does that occasionally- see Chewie- but that doesn't work well for direct conversations.) As for where they're located, it's probably an implant of sorts, like the omnitool.
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Post by RussianGuyovich1313 on Apr 2, 2017 12:24:16 GMT
This isnt much a retcon, but more like a writing continuity issue. When you arrive on Asari arc, which had no previous contact to the nexus, they still somehow identify this foreign alien hostile race with the same "kett" term as the nexus guys. How did they know what they're called? Did they call them "kett" too? And speak of that name, why do the angara call these guys "kett" too? Like, there's no line of dialogue that goes: "Oh yeah we have been calling them "gazorpazorpians" for the past few hundread years, but we'll stick with "kett" for your convenience. There's also no line about why they speak English, or why you see english letters when you read their data pads. The answer to all of this is 'translators.' Which are admittedly somewhat magical in the Mass Effect universe anyway- ever notice how everyone's lips are synched to a language most people in-setting would bother to learn?- but once the translator has enough context to know that 'gazorpazorpians' means 'kett', why wouldn't it translate for your convenience? Being convenient for you is kinda why it exists. I always had that impression that SAM translated their language directly into your brain when you were picking up their data pads. It was actually done correctly, since at first you couldnt understand their gibberish, but once SAM decrypted their moonrune lingvo, it became comprehensible. But yeah, I just realized they never explained how Angara understand english, or if SAM just uploaded the angaran language to everybody's translator on the nexus. Did we even have a scene of SAM breaking downa the angara language? Ugh. But yeah, there was NO scene whre they go: "Actually we call kett 'gazorpazorpians' ". It's just kett from start to finish, at least the geth and proteins gave reapers their own names and it felt authentic.
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Post by RussianGuyovich1313 on Apr 2, 2017 12:26:20 GMT
The same way they've worked in all of Mass Effect: space magic and just roll with it. This is just one of the conceits of science fiction you have to accept, unless you want actual jibberish you won't understand. (Star Wars does that occasionally- see Chewie- but that doesn't work well for direct conversations.) As for where they're located, it's probably an implant of sorts, like the omnitool. #NotAllSci-fi
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Post by Dean The Not-so Young on Apr 2, 2017 12:32:46 GMT
It's not like humans ever invent additional genders or identities to make themselves feel special from the rest, right? Ugh, they even added the "I'm so sorry for using wrong gender pronouns" thing with that angara. Ugh, what's next? "Krogan lives matter?" 'We're the real illegal immigrants in this galaxy.'(Come on, that's worth a like at least.) More seriously/flippantly, while I thought the trans-asari comment was silly, on further thought I actually could enjoy seeing a trans-asari... if the writers had the gall to have the Asari treat the trans!Asari in the same way most people look at those who insist they're neither male or female but their own new and exclusive gender with new personal pronouns. Impatience, eye-rolling, and exasperated questioning about why established gender norms that have lasted for millenia aren't good enough for this one chick. (Or would it be chuck?) Given how progressive Bioware likes to be, I doubt they'd be comfortable writing a trans character who might just be acting out for attention, but it'd be amusing to see them try. It wouldn't even have to be all one-sided or just acting out- you actually could do a good job in casting social deviants in Andromeda on the basis of, well, being social deviants who want to escape the old norms and create new ones. Stigmitized/marginalized communities could be the most eager to join the Initiative if it had a chance to let them become something normal. So even if trans!Asari who insist on/prefer male verbage are an infitestimatlly small minority, one-in-a-hundred-million who typically get pressed to culturally assimilate over the centuries, I could see that mote-in-the-eye-of-the-majority going to Andromeda and then telling any alien they meet that their social deviance is normal. Who's going to say they're wrong?
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 2, 2017 12:43:38 GMT
the fact that combat doesn't happen only on the ground, and that an enemy with air/space superiority can just bomb you into dust.
But it does... checkmate, atheists. And Nexus does have shields, they are mentioned in the book a lot, we just don't see them in the game. As for actual ship weapons, who even needs these when you got asari?
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Post by RussianGuyovich1313 on Apr 2, 2017 13:24:32 GMT
Ugh, they even added the "I'm so sorry for using wrong gender pronouns" thing with that angara. Ugh, what's next? "Krogan lives matter?" 'We're the real illegal immigrants in this galaxy.'(Come on, that's worth a like at least.) More seriously/flippantly, while I thought the trans-asari comment was silly, on further thought I actually could enjoy seeing a trans-asari... if the writers had the gall to have the Asari treat the trans!Asari in the same way most people look at those who insist they're neither male or female but their own new and exclusive gender with new personal pronouns. Impatience, eye-rolling, and exasperated questioning about why established gender norms that have lasted for millenia aren't good enough for this one chick. (Or would it be chuck?) Given how progressive Bioware likes to be, I doubt they'd be comfortable writing a trans character who might just be acting out for attention, but it'd be amusing to see them try. It wouldn't even have to be all one-sided or just acting out- you actually could do a good job in casting social deviants in Andromeda on the basis of, well, being social deviants who want to escape the old norms and create new ones. Stigmitized/marginalized communities could be the most eager to join the Initiative if it had a chance to let them become something normal. So even if trans!Asari who insist on/prefer male verbage are an infitestimatlly small minority, one-in-a-hundred-million who typically get pressed to culturally assimilate over the centuries, I could see that mote-in-the-eye-of-the-majority going to Andromeda and then telling any alien they meet that their social deviance is normal. Who's going to say they're wrong? Oh, I'd totally dig an Asari with a dick, but I don't trust Bioware writing a complex character like that. I mean, c'mon, the only trans girl in MEA is written like: "Hello, my name is Michelle, but back on Earth people called me Michael" Which is totally fucking ridiculous, as most trans people won't just straight up tell their former names in a first conversation like that off-hand. Which just shows BioWare's lack of understanding on the subject matter and how to treat it for real. Plus it'd be icky for them, so I don't see this subject matter being explorer further than a reference banter somewhere.
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Post by jennica on Apr 2, 2017 13:38:29 GMT
There's also no line about why they speak English, or why you see english letters when you read their data pads. The answer to all of this is 'translators.' Which are admittedly somewhat magical in the Mass Effect universe anyway- ever notice how everyone's lips are synched to a language most people in-setting would bother to learn?- but once the translator has enough context to know that 'gazorpazorpians' means 'kett', why wouldn't it translate for your convenience? Being convenient for you is kinda why it exists. But yeah, I just realized they never explained how Angara understand english, or if SAM just uploaded the angaran language to everybody's translator on the nexus. This is not the first time angara see humans or other Milky Way species. They met exiles before we arrived on Aya and translated our languages, i guess.
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Post by Madflavor on Apr 2, 2017 13:56:00 GMT
I've only scanned a few pages, but did Peebee's eyebrows get brought up? I haven't heard an explanation for it in game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 2, 2017 13:59:06 GMT
I've only scanned a few pages, but did Peebee's eyebrows get brought up? I haven't heard an explanation for it in game. Its probably because her face is scanned, and has nothing to do with Lore. The other Asari (THE ONE FACE TO RULE THEM ALL) doesn't have eyebrows.
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Post by Madflavor on Apr 2, 2017 14:00:21 GMT
I've only scanned a few pages, but did Peebee's eyebrows get brought up? I haven't heard an explanation for it in game. Its probably because her face is scanned, and has nothing to do with Lore. The other Asari (THE ONE FACE TO RULE THEM ALL) doesn't have eyebrows. I'm not the least bit surprised it was a mistake.
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Post by RussianGuyovich1313 on Apr 2, 2017 14:14:12 GMT
But yeah, I just realized they never explained how Angara understand english, or if SAM just uploaded the angaran language to everybody's translator on the nexus. This is not the first time angara see humans or other Milky Way species. They met exiles before we arrived on Aya and translated our languages, i guess. I thought that those were the outcast Angara too? I mean they did say we were the first on Aya, uh, idk
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Post by shechinah on Apr 2, 2017 15:24:24 GMT
This is not the first time angara see humans or other Milky Way species. They met exiles before we arrived on Aya and translated our languages, i guess. I thought that those were the outcast Angara too? I mean they did say we were the first on Aya, uh, idk Ryder and the crew were the first to arrive on Aya but not the first to be on angaran land. Kadara Port used to be an angaran trading post until the kett took it. Sloane and her Outcasts took over it after killing the kett despite how the angaran citizens still lived there. That's why there are a fair amount of angara on Kadara that are angry at the Milkies. They are not exiles of their people either. Evfra even mentions Kadara as a why on their distrust of Milkies.
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Post by RussianGuyovich1313 on Apr 2, 2017 15:42:25 GMT
I thought that those were the outcast Angara too? I mean they did say we were the first on Aya, uh, idk Ryder and the crew were the first to arrive on Aya but not the first to be on angaran land. Kadara Port used to be an angaran trading post until the kett took it. Sloane and her Outcasts took over it after killing the kett despite how the angaran citizens still lived there. That's why there are a fair amount of angara on Kadara that are angry at the Milkies. They are not exiles of their people either. Evfra even mentions Kadara as a why on their distrust of Milkies. Oh yeah that totally slipped my mind. They just treated it like a first encounter on Aya, I was totally sure it was the first contact between two different civilizations. I mean Evfra doesn't even mention that he has seen humans before at all and it's really glossed over very quickly.
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Post by adelthorne on Apr 2, 2017 16:23:20 GMT
Just got to the last memory fragment. And Im confused, was not Shepherd the first Human Specter ever?
And so did we not win against the reapers?, so messages could only be sent while we still had the Mass relays?
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Post by shechinah on Apr 2, 2017 18:11:21 GMT
Oh yeah that totally slipped my mind. They just treated it like a first encounter on Aya, I was totally sure it was the first contact between two different civilizations. I mean Evfra doesn't even mention that he has seen humans before at all and it's really glossed over very quickly. Andromeda has a bit of a poor habit of not elaborating where it may have been warranted and could help prevent misunderstandings. Mentioning early on that they'd had experiences with exiles elsewhere prior to Ryder's arrival on Aya is one instance.
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Post by o Ventus on Apr 2, 2017 19:10:03 GMT
Just got to the last memory fragment. And Im confused, was not Shepherd the first Human Specter ever? And so did we not win against the reapers?, so messages could only be sent while we still had the Mass relays? Shepard is indeed the first human Spectre.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 2, 2017 19:25:25 GMT
I don't think there's any real sign this is about trans characters or SJW.
It's about a fictional blue race of aliens who are a bunch of weird Space Amazons.
Not exactly much to be "progressive" about, which is the bugbear everyone assumes motivates all of Bioware's decisions.
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Post by armass81 on Apr 2, 2017 21:06:43 GMT
The translator thing is for convenience. If every race had its own name for every thing including other races names, planets names, city names etc. there would be hundreds of extra names, labels and terms which would be used in the translation and would be confusing as hell, it would drive people nuts.
"Terana" Whats that, oh its the turian word for Earth. "Asopans" what are those, those are what the salarians call hanar. etc.
The citadel? Thats a weird name, heres what every onther race calls it, remember the list.
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Post by mordivier on Apr 2, 2017 21:36:21 GMT
I don't think there's any real sign this is about trans characters or SJW. It's about a fictional blue race of aliens who are a bunch of weird Space Amazons. Not exactly much to be "progressive" about, which is the bugbear everyone assumes motivates all of Bioware's decisions. They put "Krem" into DAI. That alone is enough to understand their purpose and reasoning for the stuff they do. Not only that, but there is no reason for "Hainly Abrams" in Prodromos to talk about being a man...being "Stephan" back in the Milky Way and then coming to Andromeda to be a female because its who He was on the inside. There is also the Angara message boards on Aya talking about the marriage of two Angaran males. There is also the Asari pronoun usage crap that didn't start until this game. If it weren't for this "lets represent the fringe elements" of society in the real world going on then this most likely would not have happened. You don't see this in the beginning golden era days of RPGs and video gaming. Its only become a prevalent issue in recent years. Yet, the hypocrisy of it all is that they don't represent the incestuous people out there. They exist. It is a fact. Yet, you don't see it. Why? Because society at large thinks its morally repugnant. Not so much homosexuality anymore. That shows a clear agenda. Its obvious to any objective analysis of the situation at hand.
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What do you guys mean when you say Tumblr crowd, Tumblr language and all that stuff. Tumblr is notorious for being where the most amount of feminist and LGBTQ-justice posters go and in equal measure that crowd of fandoms so you'll often see fan-art that depict your favorite characters in sexually pandering poses and stuff... I think. I remember David Gaider joined Tumblr a year or two ago and posted about it on Twitter. He didn't last longer than 3 weeks before shutting his account down because it was so toxic. Gaider blogged on tumblr for at least a couple of years. As for the reasons he left: lhttps://twitter.com/davidgaider/status/595992113038237696
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Post by lexxxich on Apr 2, 2017 22:33:09 GMT
A tentative explanation: all the misfits, outcasts and socially different people from major MW species just got onto arcs and left for Andromeda.
To the thread's topic. A lot of communications in the game do not conform to anything we knew previously about how comm systems work in ME-verse. Many quests involve finding some things in space, "tracing comms" from them, and finding the "origin point". Which might work in a single solar system, since time lag would be hours, but anything cluster-wide means minimum months of time-lag by radio waves. If not years. Note, quantum entanglement comms do not have lag, but they also lack direction. So you can't find out where to or where from they come. Critical quest "Hunting the Archon" suffers from this problem significantly.
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Mass Effect Trilogy, Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age Inquistion, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Mass Effect Andromeda
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 3, 2017 0:08:39 GMT
They put "Krem" into DAI. That alone is enough to understand their purpose and reasoning for the stuff they do. I have put trans characters in my books as well and why do I do it? Because it's a background element. To make the world less "everyone is all the same." It's not part of some insidious Illuminati agenda. Bioware likes to do diversity because it gets a lot of good press for it but the Asari thing makes no sense as a parallel.
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