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Post by canuckgamer on Mar 30, 2017 19:40:45 GMT
I think it will turn out to the the Illusive Man.
1.) Cerberus would absolutely have an invested interest in a project like this, especially if they could plant agents that would undermine the other races and guarantee Human control.
2.) Cerberus obviously gained access to larger scale ship yard facilities between Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 in order to build their own fleet. Andromeda Shipyards?
3.) Cerberus has a long established interest in AI research and there is little doubt they would have an interest in Alec Ryders research.
Now I am willing to go a little further, my guess is that an agent assassinated Jian Garson someone with a direct tie the the Illusive Man. Given the speculation around Cora, I would be surprised if it wasn't a family member (mother, sister, etc).
I also think its very possible the Illusive Man sent a clone to Andromeda, might be going a little far but definitely a possibility.
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Post by inert on Mar 30, 2017 19:54:18 GMT
It absolutely should NOT be TIM or Cerberus. Fresh ideas would be better at this point.
It will be Cerberus though. The writers have had a hard-on for them since they mistakenly thought they were something more than a sidequest from ME1 to ME2. Can't wait for ME:A2 to kill Rider off so he can start his new life in Hydroponics.
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Post by yokyok on Mar 30, 2017 20:02:39 GMT
Can't get rid of Cerberus even in a new galaxy. I sure hope it's not them again. Or TIM. Or a clone of TIM. Or some TIM AI/VI. Or his mother.
I'd be content knowing it's some absurdly rich and implausibly intelligent shifty cow. Anything is better than having Cerberus crawl back somehow.
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Post by vyndral on Mar 30, 2017 20:11:40 GMT
I think it will turn out to the the Illusive Man. 1.) Cerberus would absolutely have an invested interest in a project like this, especially if they could plant agents that would undermine the other races and guarantee Human control. 2.) Cerberus obviously gained access to larger scale ship yard facilities between Mass Effect 2 and Mass Effect 3 in order to build their own fleet. Andromeda Shipyards? 3.) Cerberus has a long established interest in AI research and there is little doubt they would have an interest in Alec Ryders research. Now I am willing to go a little further, my guess is that an agent assassinated Jian Garson someone with a direct tie the the Illusive Man. Given the speculation around Cora, I would be surprised if it wasn't a family member (mother, sister, etc). I also think its very possible the Illusive Man sent a clone to Andromeda, might be going a little far but definitely a possibility. The thing that is strange to me is Jiens death. Ive been slow playing since I had a surgery that makes it hard for me to sit up. But I don't mind watching and reading spoilers so I've tried to keep up. Maybe Ive missed something. But Ive seen no reason, any where for Jien to be killed. Her last message is basically our benefactor might be up to something else... ok. That isn't exactly deep or meaningful. Or much of a reason to kill someone. She knows someone is trying to kill her, so if she had something useful why wouldn't she spill it? I tend to think that perhaps there are two wealthy factions at work here. One the benefactor who ever that turns out to be. And two Cerberus as it tries to put people in places of power around AI. I mean why pay for it when you can catch a ride then take over. Im probably over thinking it a bit. But Im just baffled as to the reason the benefactor would have to kill Jien so early over what seems to be so little.
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Post by canuckgamer on Mar 30, 2017 20:50:31 GMT
So based on the theory I originally proposed would you want to play as something other than a human in future games?
An Assari, Turian, Salarian, Krogran, etc heleus born Pathfinder.
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Post by sil on Mar 30, 2017 20:51:33 GMT
Elcor Pathfinder please.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 30, 2017 21:03:53 GMT
Probably TIM and that's ok. Perhaps Cora will still turn out to be his daughter.
Edit: why don't you add a poll to this thread?
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 30, 2017 21:13:44 GMT
Obviously it was the spacehamster. Read between the lines, man!
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 30, 2017 21:13:53 GMT
So based on the theory I originally proposed would you want to play as something other than a human in future games? An Assari, Turian, Salarian, Krogran, etc heleus born Pathfinder. No,when i play these types of games to all intents and purposes that avatar is an extension of myself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 30, 2017 21:41:29 GMT
That doesn't even make sense,he possibly bankrolled the project.You can invest resources in something without having to be present for it you know! The Mysterious Benefactor is in Andromeda and very likely murdered Jien Garson on Nexus's arrival. So again, it makes no sense. Or has agents there
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 30, 2017 22:05:09 GMT
It absolutely should NOT be TIM or Cerberus. Fresh ideas would be better at this point. It will be Cerberus though. The writers have had a hard-on for them since they mistakenly thought they were something more than a sidequest from ME1 to ME2. Can't wait for ME:A2 to kill Rider off so he can start his new life in Hydroponics. Fresh ideas would be pretty poor if they came out of nowhere, contradicted existing lore, and missed one of the few groups which make sense. Cerberus is awesome, though, and I hope we have the option of joining or reforming them in the Andromeda Galaxy. Humanity 4 Ever. But yes, on a serious note, I think it's very likely Tim funded the Andromeda Initiative as a "Plan B" in case Shepard wasn't able to unite the galaxy and defeat the Reapers. Obviously, it was never intended to be his main plan or an escape plan because TIM believed that he could defeat or Control the Reapers (and was partially indoctrinated from the beginning). I do think assassinating Jien was supposed to be the first step in humanity's takeover of the Arks. However, this is Cerberus so OF COURSE it ends up FUBAR. I imagine they killed Garson only to all die in the Scourge because that's how these things role. Alternatively, Addison expected to take over only to find Tann stepping up in her place. Mostly because I want the option to kill her. Tough call: Kill Addison or serve Cerberus.
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Post by suddendepact on Mar 30, 2017 22:54:37 GMT
What if TIM is the mysterious benefactor and he made the trip to andromeda under a different name.......now you're gonna say that can't happen because he was in Mass Effect 3 but what if and this is a BIG what if they cloned him and the clone went to andromeda with all of tims memory's from Mass Effect 2.
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Post by vyndral on Mar 30, 2017 23:04:40 GMT
What if TIM is the mysterious benefactor and he made the trip to andromeda under a different name.......now you're gonna say that can't happen because he was in Mass Effect 3 but what if and this is a BIG what if they cloned him and the clone went to andromeda with all of tims memory's from Mass Effect 2. Then I hope it is a female clone. And I pray it is voiced by Sigourney Weaver. And Obviously we can bang.
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Post by Vicex on Mar 30, 2017 23:15:48 GMT
It absolutely should NOT be TIM or Cerberus. Fresh ideas would be better at this point. It will be Cerberus though. The writers have had a hard-on for them since they mistakenly thought they were something more than a sidequest from ME1 to ME2. Can't wait for ME:A2 to kill Rider off so he can start his new life in Hydroponics. Fresh ideas would be pretty poor if they came out of nowhere, contradicted existing lore, and missed one of the few groups which make sense. Cerberus is awesome, though, and I hope we have the option of joining or reforming them in the Andromeda Galaxy. Humanity 4 Ever. But yes, on a serious note, I think it's very likely Tim funded the Andromeda Initiative as a "Plan B" in case Shepard wasn't able to unite the galaxy and defeat the Reapers. Obviously, it was never intended to be his main plan or an escape plan because TIM believed that he could defeat or Control the Reapers (and was partially indoctrinated from the beginning). I do think assassinating Jien was supposed to be the first step in humanity's takeover of the Arks. However, this is Cerberus so OF COURSE it ends up FUBAR. I imagine they killed Garson only to all die in the Scourge because that's how these things role. Alternatively, Addison expected to take over only to find Tann stepping up in her place. Mostly because I want the option to kill her. Tough call: Kill Addison or serve Cerberus. Why would Cerberus fund an explorative effort of species other than humans? I find it increasingly hard to believe it was them- especially when there are former cerberus employees in the game who did not exactly leave on good terms (the Overlord project lady and her kid).
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 30, 2017 23:27:25 GMT
The Mysterious Benefactor is in Andromeda and very likely murdered Jien Garson on Nexus's arrival. So again, it makes no sense. Or has agents there Why would he send his/hers agents but not come to Andromeda too? Clearly the Benefactors knew Reapers are coming and believed they can not be stopped. Also what the hell is the point of sabotaging the project when it arrives to Andromeda, while he/she would have been most likely dead by that point. It is damn obvious it someone completely new with it's own mysterious agenda of powerplay.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 30, 2017 23:27:41 GMT
Why would Cerberus fund an explorative effort of species other than humans? I find it increasingly hard to believe it was them- especially when there are former cerberus employees in the game who did not exactly leave on good terms (the Overlord project lady and her kid). Tim is a racist but in the British Empire sense, not the Nazi sense. Tim would be happy to have Krogan, Salarians, and Asari working for humanity. If that was the most efficient way to guarantee humanity's survival, he'd certainly work with them as we see in Mass Effect 2. Basically, Tim has loyalty to Earth and humanity that he wants to make it superior to other planets as well make sure humanity rules over other races. However, he doesn't want them dead or destroyed. He's basically a darker take on Ashley, which is interesting as she hates Cerberus the most.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 30, 2017 23:28:16 GMT
Why would he send his/hers agents but not come to Andromeda too? Clearly the Benefactors knew Reapers are coming and believed they can not be stopped. Also what the hell is the point of sabotaging the project when it arrives to Andromeda, while he/she would have been most likely dead by that point. It is damn obvious it someone completely new with it's own mysterious agenda of powerplay. If they knew they couldn't be stopped, they'd have their own project.
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Post by cameronlfc on Mar 30, 2017 23:29:51 GMT
I feel like it's gotta be someone that's featured in the series before.. there wasn't really any hints in Andromeda about who it is, and it'd be kind of an anticlimax if the person is revealed and it's like "...Who?" I think that Cerberus is too easy though, they were really overplayed in ME3, so to bring them back would be overkill. It could be them though, or the Shadow Broker.
That said, I don't think Tann is the mysterious benefactor, but I have a gut feeling that he's got something to do with her murder. Just seems really strange that he managed to become leader, and it was referenced enough in the game that made me stop and think about it. He just seemed so insincere, or that he was trying to sound too sincere, when he was like "Jien Garsen never got to see Andromeda...She died alone" or whatever he said.
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In fact, it wouldn't surprise me if the murder of Jien Garsen and the Mysterious Benefactor weren't related.. My prediction is that the mysterious benefactor is the Council. They couldn't be seen to be funding an official evacuation from the galaxy, so they funded the Initiative. That could explain the inclusion of pretty high up people like Spectres, and Asari Matriarchs. I still think Tann has something to do with Garson's murder, but I doubt that the Salarians or the council had anything to do with it, unless they didn't trust the leadership of the Initiative to an eccentric human (If I remember correctly, they still didn't really trust Humanity at this point, they still saw them as the young upstarts). I'm sure that the plan was to have an Asari Matriarch take charge when they got to Andromeda, with Garsen stepping down, but maybe they had her murdered incase she had a change of heart after 600 years?
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Post by Petroshenko on Mar 30, 2017 23:54:44 GMT
Probaby mentioned already, but perhaps the original Shadow Broker, the one before the Yagh. Could've faked his death and arrived in Andromeda under fake name. Would make sense, being one fo the very few to know about the Reapers and having the financial resources
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Post by Deleted on Mar 31, 2017 1:16:44 GMT
Why would he send his/hers agents but not come to Andromeda too? Clearly the Benefactors knew Reapers are coming and believed they can not be stopped. Also what the hell is the point of sabotaging the project when it arrives to Andromeda, while he/she would have been most likely dead by that point. It is damn obvious it someone completely new with it's own mysterious agenda of powerplay. Because he wants human advancement above all else. That means reviving Shepard, and learning how to control the reapers. But just in case he has a back up plan. It isn't about himself it's about humanity
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 1:19:52 GMT
Also, who wouldn't want Tim back for some audiologs or videos?
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Post by shaqfu on Mar 31, 2017 2:38:04 GMT
Conrad's sister!
Seriously though, this is one of the threads I'm most interested in. I hope it ends up being a new player and not a faction or person we've already seen.
Or maybe Jiens death was a giant hoax and she's out there up to no good. I mean easier to get away with all your sinister plans if everybody thinks your dead
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Post by Ahriman on Mar 31, 2017 10:05:59 GMT
If we assume that Jien was killed by Benefactor's group, I see at least two options 1) Classic "she knew too much". Would be kinda disappointing tbh. 2) She didn't seem fit. Either she was too good/popular and could break Benefactor's vision of Initiative, so she was replaced with someone less charismatic and more easy to control. And if something goes wrong, Tann is an easy target to put all the blame on him and move on. Or Benefactor never planned AI to go smooth and peaceful and saw Jien's idealism as a danger.
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 11:11:49 GMT
Guys guys guys.
Isn't it obvious?
It's the Shadow Broker. The Shadow Broker didn't get killed by a Yagh prior to Lair of the Shadow Broker. He let the Yagh take over and made it look as is he was killed by it. Which species the Shadow Broker is, is another matter for discussion. I'm guessing Asari, but who knows.
It all matches with time, the knowledge of Reapers, the dialogue and text from ME2 and the new information we've gotten through the memories in ME:A.
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