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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 11:27:29 GMT
Guys guys guys. Isn't it obvious? It's the Shadow Broker. The Shadow Broker didn't get killed by a Yagh prior to Lair of the Shadow Broker. He let the Yagh take over and made it look as is he was killed by it. Which species the Shadow Broker is, is another matter for discussion. I'm guessing Asari, but who knows. It all matches with time, the knowledge of Reapers, the dialogue and text from ME2 and the new information we've gotten through the memories in ME:A. Which would be an entirely new character as the Shadow Broker in ME1 is the same one in ME2 you kill.
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Post by sil on Mar 31, 2017 11:29:04 GMT
Unless the Yahg didn't die
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 11:29:55 GMT
Guys guys guys. Isn't it obvious? It's the Shadow Broker. The Shadow Broker didn't get killed by a Yagh prior to Lair of the Shadow Broker. He let the Yagh take over and made it look as is he was killed by it. Which species the Shadow Broker is, is another matter for discussion. I'm guessing Asari, but who knows. It all matches with time, the knowledge of Reapers, the dialogue and text from ME2 and the new information we've gotten through the memories in ME:A. Which would be an entirely new character as the Shadow Broker in ME1 is the same one in ME2 you kill. If you've fallen for the tricks of the Shadow Broker, sure, you can believe that. But again - The Yagh we kill in Lair of the Shadow Broker isn't the real Shadow Broker according to my theory. It's just a decoy the real Shadow Broker set to make his disappearance hidden. Liara even says that the Yagh was most likely a pet of the Shadow Broker that broke free, killed the Shadow Broker and took over the whole operation. I think the Yagh didn't kill the real Shadow Broker - It was just supposed to look like that.
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 11:31:53 GMT
Unless the Yahg didn't die The Yagh in Lair of the Shadow Broker was disintegrated, so I'm fairly sure it's as dead as it gets.
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Post by sil on Mar 31, 2017 11:36:58 GMT
Disintegration is merely a flesh wound.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 11:38:32 GMT
Which would be an entirely new character as the Shadow Broker in ME1 is the same one in ME2 you kill. If you've fallen for the tricks of the Shadow Broker, sure, you can believe that. But again - The Yagh we kill in Lair of the Shadow Broker isn't the real Shadow Broker according to my theory. It's just a decoy the real Shadow Broker set to make his disappearance hidden. Liara even says that the Yagh was most likely a pet of the Shadow Broker that broke free, killed the Shadow Broker and took over the whole operation. I think the Yagh didn't kill the real Shadow Broker - It was just supposed to look like that. I dunno, that's a retcon that undermines what was a fairly effective and well-made villain. Like if we found out Indoctrinated TIM was a Clone Jack Harper while the real one was on the Andromeda.
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Post by Clockworkspectre on Mar 31, 2017 11:54:09 GMT
So I am a little late to the discussion, but TIM shouldn't be possible as Bioware already said Cerberus was too busy with shep and preparing for the reapers to fund the Initiative. Not to mention like others have stated, it doesn't make sense that TIM would fund aliens. I like the idea that the shadow broker could be the benefactor(the one prior to the Yag broker). But, I could also see it being some sort of original character or group that we haven't ever encountered yet.
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Post by sil on Mar 31, 2017 11:55:09 GMT
I doubt it will be a wholly original group, but I wouldn't be surprised if it they have strong ties to a character in a previous game.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 31, 2017 11:59:29 GMT
Why would he send his/hers agents but not come to Andromeda too? Clearly the Benefactors knew Reapers are coming and believed they can not be stopped. Also what the hell is the point of sabotaging the project when it arrives to Andromeda, while he/she would have been most likely dead by that point. It is damn obvious it someone completely new with it's own mysterious agenda of powerplay. It's not damn obvious it is someone else,that is just your opinion,don't treat it like fact. To gain the material and money needed for such a large project they would of needed to open the project up to other investors,they might have plans to kill all the other races once they are there and established.The fact that the other races ships ended up in much more hostile areas and took alot of damage could of been the start of it(ie tampered navigation charts)
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 12:56:49 GMT
If you've fallen for the tricks of the Shadow Broker, sure, you can believe that. But again - The Yagh we kill in Lair of the Shadow Broker isn't the real Shadow Broker according to my theory. It's just a decoy the real Shadow Broker set to make his disappearance hidden. Liara even says that the Yagh was most likely a pet of the Shadow Broker that broke free, killed the Shadow Broker and took over the whole operation. I think the Yagh didn't kill the real Shadow Broker - It was just supposed to look like that. I dunno, that's a retcon that undermines what was a fairly effective and well-made villain. Like if we found out Indoctrinated TIM was a Clone Jack Harper while the real one was on the Andromeda. How is it a retcon? It's simply that Liara and Shep was fooled by his tricks, not a change in how the story went.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 31, 2017 13:11:52 GMT
So I am a little late to the discussion, but TIM shouldn't be possible as Bioware already said Cerberus was too busy with shep and preparing for the reapers to fund the Initiative. Not to mention like others have stated, it doesn't make sense that TIM would fund aliens. I like the idea that the shadow broker could be the benefactor(the one prior to the Yag broker). But, I could also see it being some sort of original character or group that we haven't ever encountered yet. In mass effect 2 Miranda stated TIM has multiple projects on the go at anyone time,link where Bioware said Cerberus was too busy to fund the AI,i will need more than your word.
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 13:50:12 GMT
My reaction to people thinking it's TIM. He was in the Milky Way AFTER the Arks left for Andromeda. The Lazarus Project severly depleted Cerberus' economic supplies and capabilities. There is literally no way the Benefactor can be TIM.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 31, 2017 14:00:47 GMT
My reaction to people thinking it's TIM. He was in the Milky Way AFTER the Arks left for Andromeda. The Lazarus Project severly depleted Cerberus' economic supplies and capabilities. There is literally no way the Benefactor can be TIM. When i say it's TIM i don't mean he is there in person but it is his influence i am talking about,you saying they exhausted their resources is pure supposition from your end and no amount of frowny faces is going to change that.
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 14:08:08 GMT
My reaction to people thinking it's TIM. He was in the Milky Way AFTER the Arks left for Andromeda. The Lazarus Project severly depleted Cerberus' economic supplies and capabilities. There is literally no way the Benefactor can be TIM. When i say it's TIM i don't mean he is there in person but it is his influence i am talking about,you saying they exhausted their resources is pure supposition from your end and no amount of frowny faces is going to change that. Well it's pretty obvious that the Benefactor is in Andromeda. There is absolutely no reason that the Illusive Man would murder Jien Garson, in Andromeda while having stayed behind in the Milky Way. No one would bother with a wait for 600 years just to murder someone, millions of light years between themselves. They have no way or reason to interact with each other when one is in the Milky Way and the other one is Andromeda. The Benefactor obviously came to Andromeda to escape the Reapers. The likely motive for Garson's murder would be a power struggle where the Benefactor wanted to take over control of Initiative. Furthermore TIM would never have allowed for the construction of Arks for other species than the Human one.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 31, 2017 14:19:39 GMT
When i say it's TIM i don't mean he is there in person but it is his influence i am talking about,you saying they exhausted their resources is pure supposition from your end and no amount of frowny faces is going to change that. Well it's pretty obvious that the Benefactor is in Andromeda. There is absolutely no reason that the Illusive Man would murder Jien Garson, in Andromeda while having stayed behind in the Milky Way. No one would bother with a wait for 600 years just to murder someone, millions of light years between themselves. They have no way or reason to interact with each other when one is in the Milky Way and the other one is Andromeda. The Benefactor obviously came to Andromeda to escape the Reapers. The likely motive for Garson's murder would be a power struggle where the Benefactor wanted to take over control of Initiative. Furthermore TIM would never have allowed for the construction of Arks for other species than the Human one. Have you ever heard of startup venture capitol,this is pretty much how a large project like the Andromeda initiative was done,the Mysterious Benefactor most like contacted allied or affiliated companies to raise the money through various proxies ect, following me so far....good. Now the TIM is known as the head of Cerberus,what is not known is the companies that are proxies,fronts and affiliated to Cerberus,while Cerberus would prefer a solely human venture it is not financially viable this way so by roping in other species it get the project moving from a pipe dream to a reality. The Benefactor could be a Highly placed Cerberus agent with a mandate from TIM or not we don't know,you outright state "they would never do this" why wouldn't they are you the arbiter of what does and doesn't happen? What i am stating as my opinion not as fact like you are doing is perhaps the Benefactor is an agent of TIM with a mandate on how to proceed.
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 14:25:24 GMT
Well it's pretty obvious that the Benefactor is in Andromeda. There is absolutely no reason that the Illusive Man would murder Jien Garson, in Andromeda while having stayed behind in the Milky Way. No one would bother with a wait for 600 years just to murder someone, millions of light years between themselves. They have no way or reason to interact with each other when one is in the Milky Way and the other one is Andromeda. The Benefactor obviously came to Andromeda to escape the Reapers. The likely motive for Garson's murder would be a power struggle where the Benefactor wanted to take over control of Initiative. Furthermore TIM would never have allowed for the construction of Arks for other species than the Human one. Have you ever heard of startup venture capitol,this is pretty much how a large project like the Andromeda initiative was done,the Mysterious Benefactor most like contacted allied or affiliated companies to raise the money through various proxies ect, following me so far....good,now the TIM is known as the head of Cerberus,what is not known is the companies that are proxies,fronts and affiliated to Cerberus,while Cerberus would prefer a solely human venture it is not financially viable this way so by roping in other species it get the project moving from a pipe dream to a reality. The Benefactor could be a Highly placed Cerberus agent with a mandate from TIM or not we don't know,you outright state "they would never do this" why wouldn't they are you the arbiter of what does and doesn't happen? So instead of making sense you're going to attack me. Well done. First off you need to start using paragraphs because it's really difficult to tell where your various points start and begin. Next up check your punctuation and word order. About the one thing you posted that actually sort of makes sense in there (except it didn't). The affliated corporations and companies were drained for the Lazarus Project. This is clearly stated in Mass Effect 3. It's not something I'm deciding that happened. It's stated. In the game. Clearly. Cerberus at the time of the Iniatitve's construction and departure simply did not possess the resources to commit to a project of this scale. Does Cerberus have people in the colonist population? Clearly, since we met a couple of them in the game. But they're highly unlikely to be a major player in Andromeda in any kind of way.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 31, 2017 14:34:38 GMT
Preemptive On-point reminder to keep it chill and on the topic, don't get personal now
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 31, 2017 14:42:09 GMT
So instead of making sense you're going to attack me. Well done. First off you need to start using paragraphs because it's really difficult to tell where your various points start and begin. Next up check your punctuation and word order. About the one thing you posted that actually sort of makes sense in there (except it didn't). The affliated corporations and companies were drained for the Lazarus Project. This is clearly stated in Mass Effect 3. It's not something I'm deciding that happened. It's stated. In the game. Clearly. Cerberus at the time of the Iniatitve's construction and departure simply did not possess the resources to commit to a project of this scale. Does Cerberus have people in the colonist population? Clearly, since we met a couple of them in the game. But they're highly unlikely to be a major player in Andromeda in any kind of way. Is there any reason for you to be so vitriolic and poisonous,all i offer is a different point of view and you go nuclear,chill out or you will end up having a heart attack at young age. You claim alot of things as fact,show me some proof,i have played Mass Effect 1,2,3 and the information you purport is not there,you are taking molehills and claiming them to be mountains.
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Post by Cannibal on Mar 31, 2017 14:42:12 GMT
I'll be down with the original Shadow Broker being the Mysterious Benefactor. Because they'd be in Andromeda, as opposed to TIM who isn't. Kind of defeats the whole purpose of the Mysterious Benefactor story arc if we find out it's somebody who has been dead for 6 centuries. Unless we get TIM clone, which is even worse.
All we know of the original Shadow Broker's death is a few notes on a terminal. Notes that make the Yahg Shadow Broker look like a god, the way they read it seems like it took him mere days to become a trusted operative and then a few days later kill the original Shadow Broker. The Yahg could have just wrote that stuff to make himself feel special.
I would also love an Asari Matriarch broker, would be a great romance for Ryder.
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Post by Archangel on Mar 31, 2017 14:47:25 GMT
Have you ever heard of startup venture capitol,this is pretty much how a large project like the Andromeda initiative was done,the Mysterious Benefactor most like contacted allied or affiliated companies to raise the money through various proxies ect, following me so far....good,now the TIM is known as the head of Cerberus,what is not known is the companies that are proxies,fronts and affiliated to Cerberus,while Cerberus would prefer a solely human venture it is not financially viable this way so by roping in other species it get the project moving from a pipe dream to a reality. The Benefactor could be a Highly placed Cerberus agent with a mandate from TIM or not we don't know,you outright state "they would never do this" why wouldn't they are you the arbiter of what does and doesn't happen? So instead of making sense you're going to attack me. Well done. First off you need to start using paragraphs because it's really difficult to tell where your various points start and begin. Next up check your punctuation and word order. About the one thing you posted that actually sort of makes sense in there (except it didn't). The affliated corporations and companies were drained for the Lazarus Project. This is clearly stated in Mass Effect 3. It's not something I'm deciding that happened. It's stated. In the game. Clearly. Cerberus at the time of the Iniatitve's construction and departure simply did not possess the resources to commit to a project of this scale. Does Cerberus have people in the colonist population? Clearly, since we met a couple of them in the game. But they're highly unlikely to be a major player in Andromeda in any kind of way. I hope you like crow...
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 15:05:12 GMT
So instead of making sense you're going to attack me. Well done. First off you need to start using paragraphs because it's really difficult to tell where your various points start and begin. Next up check your punctuation and word order. About the one thing you posted that actually sort of makes sense in there (except it didn't). The affliated corporations and companies were drained for the Lazarus Project. This is clearly stated in Mass Effect 3. It's not something I'm deciding that happened. It's stated. In the game. Clearly. Cerberus at the time of the Iniatitve's construction and departure simply did not possess the resources to commit to a project of this scale. Does Cerberus have people in the colonist population? Clearly, since we met a couple of them in the game. But they're highly unlikely to be a major player in Andromeda in any kind of way. Is there any reason for you to be so vitriolic and poisonous,all i offer is a different point of view and you go nuclear,chill out or you will end up having a heart attack at young age. You claim alot of things as fact,show me some proof,i have played Mass Effect 1,2,3 and the information you purport is not there,you are taking molehills and claiming them to be mountains. Just returning the favour. Your post directed at me was awfully hostile and rude. Everything I've posted in in the games. All I've done is to point out things that make sense and things that don't make sense. It's not really a personal thing, but I think a lot of people have a hard time telling the difference between facts/opinions at times. My point isn't that it's guaranteed that it's the Shadow Broker. My point is that it's definitively not making sense that it's the Illusive Man, or Cerberus. For some reason I see the notion repeated over and over on the forums, in some kind of attempt to affirm beliefs that just don't seem to have any grounds in reality.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 31, 2017 15:06:27 GMT
Is there any reason for you to be so vitriolic and poisonous,all i offer is a different point of view and you go nuclear,chill out or you will end up having a heart attack at young age. You claim alot of things as fact,show me some proof,i have played Mass Effect 1,2,3 and the information you purport is not there,you are taking molehills and claiming them to be mountains. Just returning the favour. Your post directed at me was awfully hostile and rude. Everything I've posted in in the games. All I've done is to point out things that make sense and things that don't make sense. It's not really a personal thing, but I think a lot of people have a hard time telling the difference between facts/opinions at times. My point isn't that it's guaranteed that it's the Shadow Broker. My point is that it's definitively not making sense that it's the Illusive Man, or Cerberus. For some reason I see the notion repeated over and over on the forums, in some kind of attempt to affirm beliefs that just don't seem to have any grounds in reality. Show me where i attacked you and was hostile and rude? You need to stop sniffing that Surströmming it's messing with your mind!
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 15:12:34 GMT
Just returning the favour. Your post directed at me was awfully hostile and rude. Everything I've posted in in the games. All I've done is to point out things that make sense and things that don't make sense. It's not really a personal thing, but I think a lot of people have a hard time telling the difference between facts/opinions at times. My point isn't that it's guaranteed that it's the Shadow Broker. My point is that it's definitively not making sense that it's the Illusive Man, or Cerberus. For some reason I see the notion repeated over and over on the forums, in some kind of attempt to affirm beliefs that just don't seem to have any grounds in reality. Show me where i attacked you and was hostile and rude? You need to stop sniffing that Surströmming it's messing with your mind! YOU LITERRALLY ENDED YOU POST WITH AN INSULT RIGHT THERE. "Have you ever heard of start up capital" is a pretty rude way to start off a sentence. It's assuming ignorance. The whole thing with "Are you the arbiter of what does and doesn't happen" is rude. Overall this entire interaction with you has been rather unpleasant.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Mar 31, 2017 15:14:15 GMT
Show me where i attacked you and was hostile and rude? You need to stop sniffing that Surströmming it's messing with your mind! YOU LITERRALLY ENDED YOU POST WITH AN INSULT RIGHT THERE. "Have you ever heard of start up capital" is a pretty rude way to start off a sentence. It's assuming ignorance. The whole thing with "Are you the arbiter of what does and doesn't happen" is rude. Overall this entire interaction with you has been rather unpleasant. Mate,i was asking a question,you took it as an insult which tells me the type of person you are,i'm done with you,people like you could start a fight in an empty house!
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Post by joglee on Mar 31, 2017 15:17:13 GMT
That doesn't even make sense,he possibly bankrolled the project.You can invest resources in something without having to be present for it you know! The Mysterious Benefactor is in Andromeda and very likely murdered Jien Garson on Nexus's arrival. So again, it makes no sense. You know....That's what I was thinking. The benefactor is most certainly hiding in plain sight, and likely got rid of Garsen.
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