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Post by CrutchCricket on Mar 31, 2017 15:30:02 GMT
Again, let's all try to calm down, no one's insulted anyone yet. You can disagree and you don't have to like each other, but stick to the topic. If that is an issue for either of you, just agree to disagree and move on. Ignoring a user you just can't communicate in good faith with is a viable option.
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Post by Archangel on Mar 31, 2017 15:30:29 GMT
The Mysterious Benefactor is in Andromeda and very likely murdered Jien Garson on Nexus's arrival. So again, it makes no sense. You know....That's what I was thinking. The benefactor is most certainly hiding in plain sight, and likely got rid of Garsen. so it's...
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Post by joglee on Mar 31, 2017 15:32:47 GMT
You know....That's what I was thinking. The benefactor is most certainly hiding in plain sight, and likely got rid of Garsen. so it's... Too obvious.....Or is it!!!!!
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Post by Archangel on Mar 31, 2017 15:34:04 GMT
Too obvious.....Or is it!!!!! In the movies it's always the bumbling bureaucrat that's really pulling the strings...the Big Bad™ is always just a patsy/figurehead.
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 15:34:39 GMT
Too obvious.....Or is it!!!!! Haha yeah! I considered that too, and it could work if they do a lot of character and background building for him. Certainly an option!
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Post by linksocarina on Mar 31, 2017 15:39:40 GMT
That doesn't even make sense,he possibly bankrolled the project.You can invest resources in something without having to be present for it you know! The Mysterious Benefactor is in Andromeda and very likely murdered Jien Garson on Nexus's arrival. So again, it makes no sense. New villain then... I am intrigued...
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Post by Archangel on Mar 31, 2017 15:43:17 GMT
The Mysterious Benefactor is in Andromeda and very likely murdered Jien Garson on Nexus's arrival. So again, it makes no sense. New villain then... I am intrigued... There is no reason TMB has to be in Andromeda, and people really need to stop saying it as though it were a given fact. **IF** TIM is TMB he has about a billion agents who could be in Andromeda in his place.
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 15:49:10 GMT
The Mysterious Benefactor is in Andromeda and very likely murdered Jien Garson on Nexus's arrival. So again, it makes no sense. New villain then... I am intrigued... Having a new villian would be good for the series. The Kett Empire is obviously a threat, as well as whaever sent the Remnant running scared, but having some "minor" threats like the Benefactor is, I think, a good thing for potential stories to be told.
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 15:51:43 GMT
New villain then... I am intrigued... There is no reason TMB has to be in Andromeda, and people really need to stop saying it as though it were a given fact. **IF** TIM is TMB he has about a billion agents who could be in Andromeda in his place. There's only about 20000 humans though. 100 000 in total from the Milky Way Galaxy with all the species included. I think it's difficult to write a good story with a villian residing in a different galaxy when the journey between them takes 600 years. But I'm starting to see that people are extremely set in their belief that TIM is behind this, so I guess there's no point discussing that particular avenue.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 31, 2017 16:01:02 GMT
Repost from page 2 in this thread, since people ignore it and still believe the Benefactor is alive and hiding in plain sight. Ah, BSN, never letting facts get in the way of screaming at stuff. PS) Also getting a STG vibe lately
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Post by Archangel on Mar 31, 2017 16:06:27 GMT
There is no reason TMB has to be in Andromeda, and people really need to stop saying it as though it were a given fact. **IF** TIM is TMB he has about a billion agents who could be in Andromeda in his place. There's only about 20000 humans though. 100 000 in total from the Milky Way Galaxy with all the species included. I think it's difficult to write a good story with a villian residing in a different galaxy when the journey between them takes 600 years. But I'm starting to see that people are extremely set in their belief that TIM is behind this, so I guess there's no point discussing that particular avenue. You're seriously working to miss the point. TIM knows about the reapers prior to ME2 TIM Has a comical amount of resources. TIM has used the name Jack Harper A key character in game is named Cora Harper Cora Harper looks to be young enough to be TIMs daughter. TIM honestly cares about humanity in his own twisted way. TIM is very pragmatic and likes to have alternatives and backup plans. TIMs primary goal is to take control of the Reapers, but being the man he is, knows that failure is possible. So in that case he would likely fund a way for humanity to survive, and he would damned well make sure his daughter survived. TIM almost certainly has at least one trusted lieutenant to act as his surrogate on the Hyperion. The only orders he would need to give this guy prior to leaving are "make sure humans come out on top in Andromeda" and "take care of my daughter". At no point does TIM need to contact Andromeda or ever be seen again. "His man" in Andromeda would be the face of Cerberus now. We may get some audio logs if they decide to pay Martin Sheen to do them, but that's it.
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Post by vyndral on Mar 31, 2017 16:11:21 GMT
Repost from page 2 in this thread, since people ignore it and still believe the Benefactor is alive and hiding in plain sight. Ah, BSN, never letting facts get in the way of screaming at stuff. PS) Also getting a STG vibe lately Maybe I'm missing something. What in that quote means the Benefactor can't be in Andromeda?
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 31, 2017 16:19:27 GMT
You know....That's what I was thinking. The benefactor is most certainly hiding in plain sight, and likely got rid of Garsen. so it's... Unlikely. He was forced into the role and has been improvising badly ever since. Most likely it was planned for him to be the Director due to his non-existent charisma, incompetence and inexperience, so then the Benefactor swoops in as a hero and leads the AI towards "proper" goals.
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Post by valkyriesr2 on Mar 31, 2017 16:19:32 GMT
There's only about 20000 humans though. 100 000 in total from the Milky Way Galaxy with all the species included. I think it's difficult to write a good story with a villian residing in a different galaxy when the journey between them takes 600 years. But I'm starting to see that people are extremely set in their belief that TIM is behind this, so I guess there's no point discussing that particular avenue. You're seriously working to miss the point. TIM knows about the reapers prior to ME2 TIM Has a comical amount of resources. TIM has used the name Jack Harper A key character in game is named Cora Harper Cora Harper looks to be young enough to be TIMs daughter. TIM honestly cares about humanity in his own twisted way. TIM is very pragmatic and likes to have alternatives and backup plans. TIMs primary goal is to take control of the Reapers, but being the man he is, knows that failure is possible. So in that case he would likely fund a way for humanity to survive, and he would damned well make sure his daughter survived. TIM almost certainly has at least one trusted lieutenant to act as his surrogate on the Hyperion. The only orders he would need to give this guy prior to leaving is "make sure humans come out on top in Andromeda". At no point does TIM need to contact Andromeda or ever be seen again. "His man" in Andromeda would be the face of Cerberus now. We may get some audio logs if they decide to pay Martin Sheen to do them, but that's it. I'm not missing your point, I'm just not seeing it as logical because of the other material availble in the games. 1. He does know about the Reapers prior to ME2. A lot of other people do too. Doesn't mean Shepard is the mysterious Benefactor. 2. Those resources have been confirmed to be depleted or low at the end of the Lazarus project, making his economic contribution unlikely to the Iniatitive due to the time frame for that particular project and when the Initative was in need of funds. 3. This is hardly evidence of anything. 4. Again, hardly evidence of anything. 5. Yet again, not evidence of anything. 6. He does care about humanity, I fully agree, even if it is twisted. Which is why I question the likelyhood of him being the benefactor - he just wouldn't be interested in backing a project that involves so many other races. This would be further bolstered by his belief of that humanity can actually control the Reapers. 7. Yes, but that alone doesn't seem like enough to make him a likely candidate when nothing else is pointing towards it.
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Post by Archangel on Mar 31, 2017 16:22:31 GMT
Unlikely. He was forced into the role and has been improvising badly ever since. YOU FOOL!!!
That's what he wants you to think!
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 31, 2017 16:23:32 GMT
Repost from page 2 in this thread, since people ignore it and still believe the Benefactor is alive and hiding in plain sight. Ah, BSN, never letting facts get in the way of screaming at stuff. PS) Also getting a STG vibe lately Left unresolved does not mean Benefactor stayed in Milky Way. What he most likely meant by unresolved is in the vanilla game. We will get resolution in either a DLC or sequel.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 31, 2017 16:24:16 GMT
Repost from page 2 in this thread, since people ignore it and still believe the Benefactor is alive and hiding in plain sight. Ah, BSN, never letting facts get in the way of screaming at stuff. PS) Also getting a STG vibe lately Maybe I'm missing something. What in that quote means the Benefactor can't be in Andromeda? They're long gone. Which sounds more like 600 years a go in a different galaxy than tops 14 months a go during arrival in Andromeda.
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Post by Archangel on Mar 31, 2017 16:25:32 GMT
You're seriously working to miss the point. TIM knows about the reapers prior to ME2 TIM Has a comical amount of resources. TIM has used the name Jack Harper A key character in game is named Cora Harper Cora Harper looks to be young enough to be TIMs daughter. TIM honestly cares about humanity in his own twisted way. TIM is very pragmatic and likes to have alternatives and backup plans. TIMs primary goal is to take control of the Reapers, but being the man he is, knows that failure is possible. So in that case he would likely fund a way for humanity to survive, and he would damned well make sure his daughter survived. TIM almost certainly has at least one trusted lieutenant to act as his surrogate on the Hyperion. The only orders he would need to give this guy prior to leaving is "make sure humans come out on top in Andromeda". At no point does TIM need to contact Andromeda or ever be seen again. "His man" in Andromeda would be the face of Cerberus now. We may get some audio logs if they decide to pay Martin Sheen to do them, but that's it. I'm not missing your point, I'm just not seeing it as logical because of the other material availble in the games. 1. He does know about the Reapers prior to ME2. A lot of other people do too. Doesn't mean Shepard is the mysterious Benefactor. 2. Those resources have been confirmed to be depleted or low at the end of the Lazarus project, making his economic contribution unlikely to the Iniatitive due to the time frame for that particular project and when the Initative was in need of funds. 3. This is hardly evidence of anything. 4. Again, hardly evidence of anything. 5. Yet again, not evidence of anything. 6. He does care about humanity, I fully agree, even if it is twisted. Which is why I question the likelyhood of him being the benefactor - he just wouldn't be interested in backing a project that involves so many other races. This would be further bolstered by his belief of that humanity can actually control the Reapers. 7. Yes, but that alone doesn't seem like enough to make him a likely candidate when nothing else is pointing towards it. I especially like where you just dismiss the parts you have no rebuttal for. And here is a phrase for you "A Mountain of Circumstantial Evidence". I have to wonder why you are so against it, if they make it some random new guy we've never heard of it's basically going to be Kai Leng all over again. "Hey here is this big bad guy and we're just gonna kinda pretend like he was there all along".
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 31, 2017 16:30:07 GMT
Maybe I'm missing something. What in that quote means the Benefactor can't be in Andromeda? They're long gone. Which sounds more like 600 years a go in a different galaxy than tops 14 months a go during arrival in Andromeda. 14 months is also a long time to disappear, especially when there's nobody to investigate the murder case. Hell it's bumped under killed in accident against the Scourge. So Benefactor had a ton of time to cover his/hers tracks by the time Ryder shows up to stumble into the case thanks to his/hers dad's memories.
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Post by vyndral on Mar 31, 2017 16:37:51 GMT
Maybe I'm missing something. What in that quote means the Benefactor can't be in Andromeda? They're long gone. Which sounds more like 600 years a go in a different galaxy than tops 14 months a go during arrival in Andromeda. Jien is killed in Andromeda. The killer cant be that long gone. Also to point out the quote mentions two different people. Who might be the same. Or might not be. Even if the killer did catch an express train to the Milky Way, the benefactor might still be in Andromeda and near by. Because the quote specifically says the killer is long gone. Not the Benefactor. Now you might think they are the same person. Which is a possible theory. But in no way confirmed that I have seen. So really the quote doesn't prove much of anything except for when you finally find out who the killer is, they wont be standing next to you.
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Post by Fogg on Mar 31, 2017 16:51:45 GMT
They're long gone. Which sounds more like 600 years a go in a different galaxy than tops 14 months a go during arrival in Andromeda. Jien is killed in Andromeda. The killer cant be that long gone. Also to point out the quote mentions two different people. Who might be the same. Or might not be. Even if the killer did catch an express train to the Milky Way, the benefactor might still be in Andromeda and near by. Because the quote specifically says the killer is long gone. Not the Benefactor. Now you might think they are the same person. Which is a possible theory. But in no way confirmed that I have seen. So really the quote doesn't prove much of anything except for when you finally find out who the killer is, they wont be standing next to you. The Benefactor(s) and killer(s) seem to be different persons or groups. Someone with that much money isn't going to do the dirty work himself. You'll find the killer and thank to him find out who the Benefactor is, but that'll be someone back in the Milky Way. We know the Benefactor's motive: have a back up plan for when the Reapers succeed. That doesn't mean he won't stay in the Milky Way to try and prevent this. EDIT: Ah, I now notice different perspectives on 'long gone'. I read 'long dead' and others read 'long fled the scene'. English isn't my first language, but usually 'long gone' is dead, right?
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 17:29:21 GMT
Their resources were exhausted by the Lazarus Project.
Except for the part where they had enough money to build the Normandy-2.
And EDI.
Oh, and Project: Overlord.
They also had the resources to find and excavate a Derlict Reaper.
This is also all before they manage to TAKE OVER OMEGA and then launch Viet Cong running guerilla war against the Alliance and Council Races.
I think Cerberus paying for SOME of the Andromeda Initiative and smoothing over things isn't hard to believe.
But yes, I still think it was Udina.
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Their resources were exhausted by the Lazarus Project. Except for the part where they had enough money to build the Normandy-2. And EDI. Oh, and Project: Overlord. They also had the resources to find and excavate a Derlict Reaper. This is also all before they manage to TAKE OVER OMEGA and then launch Viet Cong running guerilla war against the Alliance and Council Races. I think Cerberus paying for SOME of the Andromeda Initiative and smoothing over things isn't hard to believe. There is an alternative explanation for this, It's called bad writing. But yes, I still think it was Udina. I find it hard to believe that Udina just had a few trillion credits left to spare that he was willing to invest into this rather risky venture.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 17:48:42 GMT
There is an alternative explanation for this, It's called bad writing. But yes, I still think it was Udina. I find it hard to believe that Udina just had a few trillion credits left to spare that he was willing to invest into this rather risky venture. 1. It's better writing than some other random person from nowhere appears. But seriously, I like Cerberus as an organization with resources like Hydra from Marvel comics because that's what it is. It's consistent with their portrayal in the games since ME2 and ME3. You can't say, "they can't have those resources!" when they very clearly do. 2. As a member of the Citadel Council, he and Anderson would actually be able to use the oldest politician excuse in the book, "It's not their money."
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Post by Croatsky on Mar 31, 2017 18:01:47 GMT
EDIT: Ah, I now notice different perspectives on 'long gone'. I read 'long dead' and others read 'long fled the scene'. English isn't my first language, but usually 'long gone' is dead, right? Nah, it's mainly used literary. Left some place long ago. Long gone as dead is really only used when context is obvious that individual is dead.
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