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Post by Croatsky on Mar 31, 2017 18:06:15 GMT
CTPhipps Hydra is an organization that existed for 100's to 1000's of years in Marvel universe. Cerberus in ME universe exists in just couple of decades. Hydra has major control of national governments in world. Cerberus has influence and benefactors from some corporations and System's Alliance military personal systematizers. Hydra is also unrealistic and stupidly written that is overpowered as shit yet always beaten due to some minor mistake and dumb luck by Marvel heroes. Cerberus is poorly written in ME3, but even then Walters tried to give them some realistic limitations.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 18:12:17 GMT
CTPhipps Hydra is an organization that existed for 100's to 1000's of years in Marvel universe. Cerberus in ME universe exists in just couple of decades. Hydra has major control of national governments in world. Cerberus has influence and benefactors from some corporations and System's Alliance military personal systematizers. Hydra is also unrealistic and stupidly written that is overpowered as shit yet always beaten due to some minor mistake and dumb luck by Marvel heroes. Cerberus is poorly written in ME3, but even then Walters tried to give them some realistic limitations. Cerberus is basically a conglomerate of military-industrial complex companies which became stupidly ungodly rich because they were the first ones through the Charon Relay and made trillions because of the unimaginable wealth to be had by being the filter which new technologies reached Earth and having Dutch East India Company access to the markets of a whole new galaxy. The Illusive Man controls Haliburton, Lockheed Martin, and a bunch of other equivalents in-game. You're attempting to draw a line but the weird thing is the line was crossed a long ago and this is well behind it. It's not even like it would be a Cerberus project. It's just Cerberus underwriting the Andromeda Initiative after Space Elon Musk ran out of money. The Andromeda Initiative is exactly the sort of thing they'd be surprisingly good at funding without bankrupting themselves. Especially since it's not like the Nexus is actually the Citadel. Citadel=13 million Nexus=200,000
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Post by Archangel on Mar 31, 2017 18:28:15 GMT
I'll go out on a limb and make another prediction...it won't be TIM.
I think it was supposed to be TIM, but I think the current writers aren't all that great for much beyond snarky one liners. They likely thought all of the clues were really subtle and amazing and how shocked everyone will be that TIMs influence is still around when they make the big reveal. They likely shit themselves when everyone figured it out day one. So they will change it to "surprise" people.
We saw how well that worked with the leaked original ME3 ending that ended up giving us the technicolor ending.
TMB will be like the final 5 cylons from BSG 2004. It will be some random main character they pull out of a hat that makes little to no sense.
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Post by shaqfu on Mar 31, 2017 19:12:56 GMT
Plot twist it's SAM! We've seen an AI able to funnel credits before..
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Post by vyndral on Mar 31, 2017 19:33:33 GMT
Plot twist it's SAM! We've seen an AI able to funnel credits before.. Double plot twist! The reason they are late getting to Andromeda is because they had to wait for Alec to get back from killing Jien!
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Post by commandercryptarch on Mar 31, 2017 21:59:10 GMT
O...M...G.
I just had an epiphany.
Note that I'm saying this half-joking but...
What if it is Kumun Shol? The eccentric volus billionaire who owned and lived on a planet called Klencory who saw visions of "beings of light" and "machine devils" etc etc.
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Post by commandercryptarch on Mar 31, 2017 22:16:07 GMT
Seriously though...
If it is not TIM or Cerb.
My theory gravitates toward the Council itself.I don't have proof but it is plausible they were behind this but wanted to make it seem they are not.
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Post by CTPhipps on Mar 31, 2017 22:28:28 GMT
Seriously though... If it is not TIM or Cerb. My theory gravitates toward the Council itself.I don't have proof but it is plausible they were behind this but wanted to make it seem they are not. But then why kill Garson? They're evil, whoever they are. So that eliminates Anderson.
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Post by Gold Dragon on Mar 31, 2017 22:59:49 GMT
Kett in the MW? GIVE ME A BREAK! Unlikely. TIM could have been the mysterious Benefactor. Certainly fits. I know another who could certainly do this as well. Donnel Udina. Who killed Garson? Real quetion would by WHY kill her? That would give a fairly good indicator as to who. More mysteries, eh?
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Post by spacebeetle on Apr 1, 2017 10:05:53 GMT
The Benefactor is a Geth from the future TM.
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Post by roseofquartz on Apr 1, 2017 12:01:15 GMT
My money is on Cerberus because at this point, it feels like the 'safe option'. Given they were the only ones who seemed to acknowledged the Reapers as a real threat.
That being said, it's also the most boring of the options.
Be kind of cool it they somehow brought the whole 'dark energy' thing, back where everyone was obsessed with it and it caused a star to age a lot quicker then it should've.
So... idk, Gianna Parasini?
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 1, 2017 19:22:06 GMT
My money is on Cerberus because at this point, it feels like the 'safe option'. Given they were the only ones who seemed to acknowledged the Reapers as a real threat. That being said, it's also the most boring of the options. Be kind of cool it they somehow brought the whole 'dark energy' thing, back where everyone was obsessed with it and it caused a star to age a lot quicker then it should've. So... idk, Gianna Parasini? I dunno, Cerberus is a friend with lots of options: * Cora finding out she's not her actual parents child * Cerberus working as a cult to take over the Initiative * Possibly a Cerberus ark arriving Lots of interesting stuff.
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Post by traks on Apr 1, 2017 22:04:18 GMT
Guys guys guys. Isn't it obvious? It's the Shadow Broker. The Shadow Broker didn't get killed by a Yagh prior to Lair of the Shadow Broker. He let the Yagh take over and made it look as is he was killed by it. Which species the Shadow Broker is, is another matter for discussion. I'm guessing Asari, but who knows. It all matches with time, the knowledge of Reapers, the dialogue and text from ME2 and the new information we've gotten through the memories in ME:A. This would be my favorite. Council would've been also cool, but doesn't fit at all with the murder of Jien Garson.
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Post by Fogg on Apr 1, 2017 22:23:28 GMT
My money is on Cerberus because at this point, it feels like the 'safe option'. Given they were the only ones who seemed to acknowledged the Reapers as a real threat. That being said, it's also the most boring of the options. Be kind of cool it they somehow brought the whole 'dark energy' thing, back where everyone was obsessed with it and it caused a star to age a lot quicker then it should've. So... idk, Gianna Parasini? I dunno, Cerberus is a friend with lots of options: * Cora finding out she's not her actual parents child * Cerberus working as a cult to take over the Initiative * Possibly a Cerberus ark arriving Lots of interesting stuff. I was thinking about the Cora part, how would that work with her last name? TIM found other Harpers for her?
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Post by themikefest on Apr 1, 2017 22:37:29 GMT
Refund guy He belonged to a group known as The Refunders. For years. members would demand refund for products they never purchased at whatever store. Over time, they amassed billions. They heard about the reapers and decided to help Jein. All but a few, didn't go to Andromeda. The one's who did go, will start The Refunder Group in Andromeda. It could be TIM. Maybe its the Volus. Several of them pooled their resources together to help Jein. If there's a sequel, the player may learn who it is. Or learn who it is in a dlc.
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Post by CTPhipps on Apr 1, 2017 22:37:46 GMT
I dunno, Cerberus is a friend with lots of options: * Cora finding out she's not her actual parents child * Cerberus working as a cult to take over the Initiative * Possibly a Cerberus ark arriving Lots of interesting stuff. I was thinking about the Cora part, how would that work with her last name? TIM found other Harpers for her? Well I can only speculate but how I would write it? Basically, the same way TIM raised Gillian in the novels. Fake parents who raised her then sent her to train with the Asari so TIM could learn their secrets. Maybe explaining why Cora's parents didn't seem to love her.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 1, 2017 23:10:51 GMT
It seems pretty obvious it was TIM and my guess is Cora is his daughter so he funded this to get her away from the Reapers.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 2, 2017 0:40:46 GMT
O...M...G. I just had an epiphany. Note that I'm saying this half-joking but... What if it is Kumun Shol? The eccentric volus billionaire who owned and lived on a planet called Klencory who saw visions of "beings of light" and "machine devils" etc etc. That would require the writers actually had a grasp of the lore anywhere near ours. lol nupe
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 2, 2017 6:10:01 GMT
For those who completely unlocked Alec Ryder's memories, we learned a bit about the Andromeda Initiative's true goals and the motivations behind the project. Beyond the obvious connection that the folks funding the project were aware of the inevitable Reaper War, they also had its founder, Jien Garson, assassinated for unknown reasons.
Better yet, the game did not provide us with any idea who the Benefactor could be. I'm still going to hold on to my theory that it's the Illusive Man. Who else would have the money, the resources, and all the information on the Reapers? It's always possible it's a new character, but there honestly weren't that many people in the Milky Way aware of the Reaper threat. Not to mention, not many even took Commander Shepard seriously at that time.
Any thoughts on who this Benefactor is? This person's identity is clearly going to play a role in a sequel game.
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on Apr 2, 2017 7:07:48 GMT
TIM is IMO the only one with both motive and means to be the Benefactor. The other one *might* be the Shadow Broker, since I think it's implied that the yahg Shadow Broker who preceded Liara knew about the Reapers. But why would that iteration of the Shadow Broker bother helping the Initiative? He and the yahg were getting nothing out of it.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 2, 2017 7:15:35 GMT
TIM is IMO the only one with both motive and means to be the Benefactor. The other one *might* be the Shadow Broker, since I think it's implied that the yahg Shadow Broker who preceded Liara knew about the Reapers. But why would that iteration of the Shadow Broker bother helping the Initiative? He and the yahg were getting nothing out of it. We do know Alec had brief dealings with the former Shadow Broker for the purposes of funding his SAM project due to his troubles with the Alliance. However, I seriously doubt the Shadow Broker was also the Benefactor funding the Andromeda Initiative. I'm sure he was likely aware of the project, as it was his job to know everything. That being said, as you suggested, I don't see what financial gain the Shadow Broker would have received by funding a project he'd never see realized. TIM seems the likely candidate. Of course, he's clearly not in Andromeda. That being said, someone who at least represents the Benefactor is, given Jien Garson's death. I still like the idea that Cora might secretly be TIM's daughter (her story about her parents is rather vague). Of course, there's no way she killed Jien Garson considering Cora was on the Hyperion with everybody else. There's just more we'll have to learn until we see how this all unfolds.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 2, 2017 7:15:47 GMT
I think the Benefactor is actually a group of people, and that they are people we don't know about yet. To give a comparison, I'm thinking the Benefactor is like the Illuminati from the Deus Ex franchise.
I don't think it is TIM. Too much, both ingame and metagame, goes against him being involved. Now if I am right and the Benefactor is a group of people in the shadows I can see TIM having been a member, but he focused on other things than the rest did.
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Post by Sable Rhapsody on Apr 2, 2017 7:18:13 GMT
I think the Benefactor is actually a group of people, and that they are people we don't know about yet. To give a comparison, I'm thinking the Benefactor is like the Illuminati from the Deus Ex franchise. I don't think it is TIM. Too much, both ingame and metagame, goes against him being involved. Now if I am right and the Benefactor is a group of people in the shadows I can see TIM having been a member, but he focused on other things than the rest did. Considering that Deus Ex is currently on hiatus... If Deus Ex gets added to my Mass Effect, I will be the happiest camper
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 2, 2017 7:25:00 GMT
I think the Benefactor is actually a group of people, and that they are people we don't know about yet. To give a comparison, I'm thinking the Benefactor is like the Illuminati from the Deus Ex franchise. I don't think it is TIM. Too much, both ingame and metagame, goes against him being involved. Now if I am right and the Benefactor is a group of people in the shadows I can see TIM having been a member, but he focused on other things than the rest did. That's definitely possible, as it was suggested the Benefactor could be a group. I definitely do think TIM was involved in some capacity, even if he was just a member of that group. The real question is who are they in Andromeda? Clearly, some of them (or at least representatives) are there. Jien Garson's death is evidence of that. What are they doing and what are their plans?
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Post by Fogg on Apr 2, 2017 9:51:44 GMT
I was thinking about the Cora part, how would that work with her last name? TIM found other Harpers for her? Well I can only speculate but how I would write it? Basically, the same way TIM raised Gillian in the novels. Fake parents who raised her then sent her to train with the Asari so TIM could learn their secrets. Maybe explaining why Cora's parents didn't seem to love her. I hope so. I think the story makes so much more sense with TIM as the Benefactor. So much questions! Was SAM used in the Lazarus project?
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