Not curing the Genophage: The reason you're a heartless monster.

Is this pro-choice argument about how a fetus isn't technically alive so it doesn't count as a living being? If that's so, does heavily pregnant Krogan females went to the Salarians and ask can they abort their child with their sterility plague? Could the pregnant krogan mother go to these Salarians and ask could they give her a cure so she could keep her baby? Or say, did these Salarians and the Asari, go to Tuchanka and talk to the females about.. hey, if you don't keep your men in line, we're going to sterilize 99% of your female population for 1475 years.... and even after that, we're not sure we let you guys cure it because we don't want your babies to become an army in several centuries or so if the reapers haven't kill us all by then.

Advanced civilizations becoming too scared at the mere thought of being defeated by a backward race that they chicken out and attack the females and blame them and their children for the mess because conventional warfare and politics isn't working.... doesn't this felt so familiar.

Exactly, the Drell becoming assassins for the Hanar is a voluntary act on the Drells' part, one seen out of a sense of honor by their species for the Hanar rescuing them. If the Drell were being forced to become hit men for them, then why is Kolyat allowed to live on the Citadel and live his life devoted to the church? Even when he was trying to kill the politician in ME 2 he was acting alone, not on the orders of some Hanar handler. 

Really, the Hanar are probably the biggest "humanitarians" out of all the other Citadel species considering how they put forth the effort to rescue the Drell, welcome them to their homeworld, put for funding into research when Keprals Syndrome became an issue, and allow the Drell to live their own lives apart from Khaje (sp?) if they want to. I would have loved to see the story explore more of the Hanar and their dynamic with the Drell, instead they still get labeled "big, stupid jellyfish" by the narrative and get to have Blasto as their poster child. 

Did the Hanar "rescue" the Drell, really?  They moved them to a planet that crucifies their lungs.  Couldn't they have re-colonized them in a dry environment instead?  Did they have to train them as their assassin's... couldn't they have given them a different role in their society instead?  The Compact is an agreement signed by the Drell in a moment when they felt vulnerable and indebted to the Hanar (similar perhaps to the agreements some third wold nations have made with stronger nations here on earth who have provided them aid).  The game is presenting a very gray, very touchy moral dilemma.  It's not cut and dried that the Krogan are bad and the rest of the species in the galaxy are good.  The game introduces enough things to indicate that, possibly, the Krogan are better than their stereotype would indicate and that the Council races, particularly the Asari, are more devious than their pretty faces let on.

It wasn't that unthinkable. China had a one-child policy from 1978 until a year ago. They're also known to force an abortion and force sterilization if couldn't pay the fines and if a family have more children. This also have an effect on skewing gender and age ratio. They lift it because not enough younglings care enough to support the aging population. Singapore have this problem as well.

However, if it come to it, poorer countries with rising population growth will always be the first target to cull and then the 'unfavourables', not in order; gender, ethnic, religion, nationality, level of education, income. 

Child-bearing women affect population growth. This is why the Genophage target them more specifically.

Pre-genophage, a krogan female could have a hundred children if they're living in a condition that could overcompensate their biology. But since the Krogan Rebellion, the females hardly leave their homeworld, they're exposed to radiation and harsh condition that made it difficult for them to procreate as aggressively as in Garvug pre-genophage. They're already a species with existing skewed gender ratio; 1 female krogan for every 1000 male krogan. Now that they have the genophage, only 1% of Krogan female population could have successful birth. One live-birth for every 1000 pregnancy. 

Their species is dying because like anything that could think for themselves, not every fertile krogan female wanted to be a breeding factory for their species and not every infertile krogan female wanted to be the decoy for these fertile female.
The existing math that justify Genophage population control also doesn't account on skewed aging population. Low birth rate is just as destructive as high birth rate for a species that could live over a thousand years. 

But all the fearmongering by the Dalatrass doesn't account that Genophage cure will reduce the lifespan of these Krogan.
Making them more vulnerable to disease, increased mortality rate and reducing their lifespan. This is why advent of medicine including childhood vaccine have a drastic effect on our population growth. However, we're not at par with the Krogan's biology and we're still terrible at managing global health and people still die annually for preventable diseases.

If I really want to concise all my posts; this is about adults justifying killing unborn children because of their race by using a biological weapon.

Exactly, how does this make me seem like I value Krogan kids above other species' kids?
Heck, I would argue against this for the Vorchas. #VorchaLivesMatters

Krogan earned the Genophage based on their actions. Which to be fair they were not ready for the advancements they received so early. But they instigated a bloody war that waged for decades killing millions of non combatants.

That being said they do deserve a second chance depending on who is leading. Wrex wants to improve who they are. Wrev wants to return things to the status quo of Pre Genophage era. But Salarian Dallitrass does have a point. Just because Wrex is currently leading doesn't mean they won't change back to the old ways once he is gone.

Well the issue caused by Genophage is more a reaction to it then any negative effects of it. If it did in fact return the rate of living Krogan to the same pre industrial levels. Though rather then high casualty rate of children and adult Krogan. But though limiting births.

The problem that developed was their reaction to it. It was such a drastic change from what they were use to on top of having their pride destroyed. That is the core issue the Genophage created. it was effective in it's role how ever the unexpected social side to the genophage is what really caused the problems. And curing it while addressing the social side of it doesn't fully address the other side. Which is the Krogan by their very nature are very brutal compared to other races. Because they are build for it. With a very tenuous care about life.

That is why for me the question of is this a good idea always boils down to if Wrex or Wrev is in charge. Wrex wants to respect their history but move them forward and not fall to the mistakes of the past. Wrev wants to cling to their past and never learn from it.

You can see the difference with Wrex alive in 2. No one agrees him, except in a begrudging manner. Even the damn merchants are happier with him gone. But "Wreav thinks like the ancients" and makes them comfortable. And in Eve's own words, Wrex is a mutant.

... and is Eve a mutant as well?  Are Krogan women violent?  We've seen no real indications of that.  Our "sample size" of Krogan has to be really small vs. the overall population... and they are very individualistic.

As I said, I'm just throwing in different food for thought here.  There are two diametrically opposing "sides" to this issue being presented within the story... allowing the player to logically decide either way.  As such, there is no real story-defined right or wrong... just a bunch of "ideas" based on different world situations being thrown into the mix for us to ponder... that's why is can be still so hotly argued for so many years.  The BSN certainly has a preferred line of thought (same with the endings)... but that doesn't make it the only possible line of thought presented in the game.  The authors of the game fed us a stereotype... and then countered that with virtually every Krogan we've met save one or two.

In principle - Should an entire population "pay" for the actions of their dictator?  Although people focus on the idea that the genophage does not abort infants... it does, however, deny Krogan women from becoming mothers, the opportunity to nurture children.  Do they deserve that? 

True, but if Wrex and Bakara stick around long enough to create positive change, the krogan WILL see it as a way of life that they want to continue.  Remember, krogan clans came from all over to rally around Bakara.  If she's in the picture alongside Wrex, there's a good future in store for them.  Even Wrex alone is probably worthwhile.  Wreav is another story.

That's one way to look at it. The way I saw it, Wrex in ME2 showed that the Krogans were able to follow a different path. I think there were quite a few Krogan that agreed with him, that's why he was able to get the support of the other clans to join his alliance. But there's all sorts of views on Tuchanka. There is the anti-alien rhetoric, background conversation on killing Salarians and Turians, and there's the Krogan who brings his Asari bride to Tuchanka, along with the conversation about the guy wanting a child and a future.

I've brought up the similarity between the Genophage choice and the Decision Chamber encounter with the Catalyst, but I'll go further. The Genophage isn't as bad as the Reaper invasion, but to the Krogan it is obviously up there as a terrible ongoing attack (especially if they ever find out about Mordin's upgrade). To expect the Krogan to agree that the Genophage is beneficial would be like expecting Organics to agree that the Reaper Invasion is beneficial because it solves the Organic/Synthetic conflict. Other Krogan would look upon one of their own with that view the way we look at the indoctrinated agents helping the Reapers. Its just unrealistic. Explaining to the Krogan that the Genophage isn't that bad takes us close to Catalyst "cleansing fire" territory.

Hell, post-betrayal, if another galactic enemy showed up and offered a cure, they'd probably join them the same way the Geth joined the Reapers.

And like the ongoing resistance to the Reaper's solution, the Genophage if it isn't cured will probably end in conflict, and the extinction of the Krogan or conquest of the Council.

Not really, do we know that troubles between Kolyat and Thane are the result of the Hanar's doing or Thane's after he was released? Without the protection of the Hanar government, did Thane slip up and cause his regret being an assassin when enemies targeted Irikah? Or was his regret going farther back for not having any skills adaptable for less dangerous work? The first one places blame on himself for not trying to train for another career when he had the capability, the second implies Thane simply wasn't given the skills needed to adapt to something else. Frankly, we don't have enough information about the darker side of the Drell and Hanar relationship (beyond being described as fanatical devotion). We only have Codices and Thane's word that things are copacetic and to say it's not true is supposition until we receive more information. While you ask a lot of good questions about governments and the people under them, using the Hanar/Drell relations as comparable to how the Krogan are treated by the Council may not fit as easily as say, the quarians and the Council.
I don't think I intended to say that the Krogan should be stuck forever after with the genophage; I've been arguing that instead of vilifying those who deployed the genophage, perhaps there was justifiable reason after all. And given the title as I pointed out earlier, there's already an opinion started in the title that has not considered the other side of the argument.