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Post by zipzap2000 on Aug 27, 2016 6:57:29 GMT
This is the future you denied your own children. You just never wanted to see Femshep and Samantha happy, did you Pyjak? You'd probably shoot Wrex right now while he's holding this baby and call it a worthy sacrifice. You'd deny the galaxy of cute baby Krogan and their adorable pet Varren with redheads..... You're a monster.... *Sips Ryncol*
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Post by Lennity on Aug 27, 2016 8:28:45 GMT
... But what if Urdnot Wreav is leader and not Wrex because poor brogan got shot 'cause I didn't have enough renegade/paragon points in ME 1 to save him? YIKES.
I'm not sure if I agree with Wreav's ideals; post-genophage cure and after the war with the Reapers.
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Post by straykat on Aug 27, 2016 8:46:26 GMT
Y'know, i don't mind curing it.. But you're turning me against it with those pics
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Post by zipzap2000 on Aug 27, 2016 11:07:56 GMT
... But what if Urdnot Wreav is leader and not Wrex because poor brogan got shot 'cause I didn't have enough renegade/paragon points in ME 1 to save him? YIKES. I'm not sure if I agree with Wreav's ideals; post-genophage cure and after the war with the Reapers. You kill him and install a puppet leader, like any other normal person would.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Aug 27, 2016 11:13:30 GMT
Y'know, i don't mind curing it.. But you're turning me against it with those pics Just look at the little drunk one next to Wrex's feet. Doesn't he deserve to grow up and decide his own future? Why would you destroy his naked dreams, straykat?
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Post by Ieldra on Aug 27, 2016 12:36:51 GMT
Emotional arguments. Given that reversing the genophage will increase krogan fertility by a factor of 1000, doing so it plainly insane. Sure, those krogan children who come to live deserve to grow up, but there is no reason to make 1000 times more of them. Make it two times more, and the future of the krogan is assured without this madness, but sadly, we didn't get the option to just mitigate the genophage, it had to be all or nothing. With those limited alternatives, my preferred choice was clear: sabotage the cure.
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Post by Darth Dennis on Aug 27, 2016 13:17:59 GMT
They'd all end up as mass murderers anyway...
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Post by themikefest on Aug 27, 2016 13:34:14 GMT
I have no reason to cure it. I don't care who's in charge. I only care about stopping the reapers. When the dalatross offers help, I take it.
The genophage has been around along time. During that time what did the krogan do? Nothing. All they did is mope around doing nothing. Some became mercs, bodyguards or just started killing each other. They made no effort to rebuild their planet.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Aug 27, 2016 14:23:30 GMT
I did have a large and a detailed argument here but my internet cut out and I lost the whole thing, after I lost the one before that.
Now I'm mad so here's a
'Too long didn't write.'
I've yet to see an effective argument made against wiping out the other races. It's just assumed to be a bad thing.
*Sips Ryncol*
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Post by corkyspetals on Aug 27, 2016 15:54:00 GMT
I've yet to see an effective argument made against wiping out the other races. It's just assumed to be a bad thing. Because it's a corrupt and arrogant use of power? Because it assumes your reasons are a good enough excuse to justify anything? Because it gives others a free pass to wipe out your race, including you?
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Post by Tonymac on Aug 27, 2016 17:15:07 GMT
... But what if Urdnot Wreav is leader and not Wrex because poor brogan got shot 'cause I didn't have enough renegade/paragon points in ME 1 to save him? YIKES. I'm not sure if I agree with Wreav's ideals; post-genophage cure and after the war with the Reapers. Well, getting his family armor back goes a really long way in his allegiance to you. I did have Ashley shoot him once, and hated it.
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Post by Trilobite Derby on Aug 27, 2016 18:24:09 GMT
Goddamnit ZipZap why would you post that creepy creepy tiny Liara?
Now I have to do another run and hit on ANYONE BUT LIARA to towel away the evil and it's all your fault.
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Post by themikefest on Aug 27, 2016 18:34:15 GMT
Goddamnit ZipZap why would you post that creepy creepy tiny Liara? Now I have to do another run and hit on ANYONE BUT LIARA to towel away the evil and it's all your fault. Just have her killed on the beam run if your ems is below 2000
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 27, 2016 20:00:48 GMT
No.
Also have you seen my argument in the other genophage thread? If the krogan don't check themselves they will wreck themselves with the cure. I wonder if any artist is willing to do a depiction of the last emaciated krogan feebly crawling over thousands of skeletons of its dead kin because it turns out a post apocalyptic dustball can't support thousands of krogan being born daily.
Careful what you wish for. A post cure galaxy will be no picnic for the korgan. Leaving the genophage intact may actually be the kinder option.
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Post by Cyonan on Aug 27, 2016 20:37:39 GMT
The biggest problem with the Krogan is how they were written.
A species that lives incredibly long and can have up to 1000 children at a time? That's not just war like, they wouldn't even make it as far as developing nukes to destroy their own planet because they'd have overrun the place long before that.
It's simply not a model that's sustainable for a species. Not even on a galactic scale. They'll just keep overrunning any planets they have.
Although in the context of Mass Effect 3, you basically need the Krogan. It would be stupid to go to war against the Reapers without the best frontline troops in the galaxy.
and in the event you get into a long war against the Reapers, the Krogan's weakness for being a sustainable species actually becomes their strength. They can rebuild their populations extremely quickly. To that end, you would also want the Geth on your side because they can be mass produced.
Then we worry about post-cure galaxy after we've escaped being turned into giant space cuttlefish.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Aug 27, 2016 23:23:16 GMT
I've yet to see an effective argument made against wiping out the other races. It's just assumed to be a bad thing. Because it's a corrupt and arrogant use of power? Because it assumes your reasons are a good enough excuse to justify anything? Because it gives others a free pass to wipe out your race, including you? Padok Wiks disagrees "We should let the evolutionary process decide who lives and dies." The Krogan are functioning as nature intended.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 28, 2016 3:26:29 GMT
Padok Wiks disagrees "We should let the evolutionary process decide who lives and dies." The Krogan are functioning as nature intended. Agreed. As long as you realize that doesn't mean the land of happiness and chocolates, quite the opposite in fact. The krogan will have to prove they can adapt and survive... or they will go extinct. Everything from their initial uplifting to the genophage has been training wheels. With the cure the wheels come off. The krogan have a chance to ride, or crash and burn. Which is more likely? Well, that's another discussion. And yeah Shepard with asari babies still makes my stomach turn.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Aug 28, 2016 3:42:59 GMT
Padok Wiks disagrees "We should let the evolutionary process decide who lives and dies." The Krogan are functioning as nature intended. Agreed. As long as you realize that doesn't mean the land of happiness and chocolates, quite the opposite in fact. The krogan will have to prove they can adapt and survive... or they will go extinct. Everything from their initial uplifting to the genophage has been training wheels. With the cure the wheels come off. The krogan have a chance to ride, or crash and burn. Which is more likely? Well, that's another discussion. And yeah Shepard with asari babies still makes my stomach turn. I included a human baby for you people. Just focus on Wrexs son, playing with his Tomka....greedily hoarding it to himself, while the Asari looks on frightened.
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Post by DoomsdayDevice on Aug 28, 2016 19:19:06 GMT
I have faith in Wrex. I've never done a playthrough with Wreave though. Would be interesting to try and sabotage the genophage, I never have. I've tried various things with the choices on various playthroughs, but I should really do a playthrough doing all the stuff I never tried. Like having Morinth on the team, etcetera. I have also never screwed over the Quarians, or kept the Collector Base. I really wouldn't want to keep the Collector Base though. Hmmmm. Maybe I'll make this really flawed Shepard who struggles with everything, continually fails everyone, but still does the right thing in the end, which is blowing the fucking tube.
Hmmmmm. Yeah, starting to feel like a new trilogy playthrough.
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Post by General Mahad on Aug 28, 2016 19:32:14 GMT
Sorry Krogan Bro, but Urdnot Wreav is a massive asshat and a walking calamity to galactic order.
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Post by yan on Aug 28, 2016 20:43:43 GMT
Krogans are a plage, they can breed a army faster then insects and they will exterminate the others race in the future. Course sabotage the cure is the right thing to do.
That said, I ALWAYS cure the phage. Krogans are my favorite race and I WILL NOT betray Wrex, guy is awesome.
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Post by HYR on Aug 28, 2016 21:01:18 GMT
The biggest problem with the Krogan is how they were written. A species that lives incredibly long and can have up to 1000 children at a time? That's not just war like, they wouldn't even make it as far as developing nukes to destroy their own planet because they'd have overrun the place long before that. It's simply not a model that's sustainable for a species. Not even on a galactic scale. They'll just keep overrunning any planets they have. Although in the context of Mass Effect 3, you basically need the Krogan. It would be stupid to go to war against the Reapers without the best frontline troops in the galaxy. and in the event you get into a long war against the Reapers, the Krogan's weakness for being a sustainable species actually becomes their strength. They can rebuild their populations extremely quickly. To that end, you would also want the Geth on your side because they can be mass produced. Then we worry about post-cure galaxy after we've escaped being turned into giant space cuttlefish. Well the writing here has never been consistent. Some information we're given indicates that they lay clutches of 1,000 eggs. Other information indicates they give live birth. Hell, Patrick Weekes openly admits he altered the original ideas behind the genophage so that players would not hate Mordin too much for re-applying it. It's kind of a mess, really.
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Post by HYR on Aug 28, 2016 21:07:10 GMT
Also, I would sooner pick Refuse than live to have a child with Liara that looks like Liara, much less cure the genophage (I actually did cure it, anyway, but sabotage is admittedly the wiser decision).
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Post by bellesorciere on Aug 28, 2016 21:56:17 GMT
Also, I would sooner pick Refuse than live to have a child with Liara that looks like Liara, much less cure the genophage (I actually did cure it, anyway, but sabotage is admittedly the wiser decision). Weird, I don't understand this antipathy for Asari children.
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Post by CrutchCricket on Aug 28, 2016 23:44:57 GMT
Weird, I don't understand this antipathy for Asari children. Can't speak for anyone else, but for me, I'm just sick of seeing people gush about them. I mean babies in general are firmly in the "who cares, they're dumb" category but seeing pages and pages of "omg little blue babies" now makes me nauseous. It's just a huge discrepancy in representation (asari babies vs everyone else), in a category I'm already not a fan of (kids in video games).
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