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Post by chugster on Apr 4, 2017 11:42:55 GMT
Quite a few people on here have accused me of being a BW/EA fanboy, posting negative comments to anyone criticizing MEA or Bioware.
This is untrue, please note the following 2 complaints:
Complaint 1:
"Bioware, your facial animations are not good at all, looking like minimal effort was used. Could you please let us know if/when and how you intend to fix this. This can be quite immersion breaking ingame. Also your MP weapons/powers feel underwhelming, will you be doing balance patches?"
Complaint 2: "GRRRR...BIOWER IS TEH SUKK...the facial animashuns gif me CANCUR...MP SUCKS BALLS....fecking EA...gimme a fecking reeffund...DERP DERP DERP!!!!!"
Now Complaint 1 is great, please post stuff like this on BW's Twitter and Reddit, where the actual Devs will see it. Complaint 2, whilst an exaggeration, is what I see alot of on these boards, overly negative and put in a place that the Devs wont see...not that it would be of any use if they did see it.
When i see people posting 'Complaint 2' type posts I comment, trying to put across having PATIENCE and waiting to see if Bioware fix things.
I dont mind saying I am a fan of Bioware, yes every game they have released has had issues but I have enjoyed them all and got lots of value for money out of them. That is not to say that they shouldnt be doing everything in their power to improve this and future titles.
I just wish people would not be so negative, it is just a game at the end of the day.
Thank you for reading this. Hopefully people will stop saying that I say 'dont criticize BW/MEA' when I have never, ever posted that on any post here on BSN.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 11:46:41 GMT
so... what exactly makes you think that you are so special to warrant an entire topic about yourself?.. ugh
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 11:48:10 GMT
I hear you. I had a lot of complains about MEA but we gotta remember that there aren't any other companies that make games like Bioware does, and if everybody keeps shitting on them we won't get the games we wished for, ever.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 4, 2017 11:50:13 GMT
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 11:56:47 GMT
I hear you. I had a lot of complains about MEA but we gotta remember that there aren't any other companies that make games like Bioware does, and if everybody keeps shitting on them we won't get the games we wished for, ever. yes, but if we ignore and pretend that, for example bad writing is not bad writing, and crap is not crap, then we will not get games we wished for either. Objectively Andromeda is weakest BW game up to date, because they somehow managed to screw up two most important things that made all their other games great - character and dialogue writing. Everything can be forgiven and overlooked if those two were on par with previous BW games, because that is what BW RPG essence lies in, but with Andromeda - there is no excuses. Think of it this way - if new season of Game of Thrones was getting a story and character cast of My Little Pony, it would be a crap Game of Thrones. Not because MLP is bad, but because from GoT ppl naturally expect GoT.
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Post by osito on Apr 4, 2017 11:58:28 GMT
These Internet debates always seem to degrade to a simplistic version of the truth: people who make positive comments about a game are 'fanboys'; and people who make negative comments are 'haters'. Like it or not, you'll be categorised into one of the two groups, depending on whether you were positive or negative. Unless, of course, you try to be balanced about it, in which case both groups will hate you! So, pick a team, and fight for them!
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Post by stysiaq on Apr 4, 2017 12:00:31 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 12:13:13 GMT
I hear you. I had a lot of complains about MEA but we gotta remember that there aren't any other companies that make games like Bioware does, and if everybody keeps shitting on them we won't get the games we wished for, ever. yes, but if we ignore and pretend that, for example bad writing is not bad writing, and crap is not crap, then we will not get games we wished for either. Objectively Andromeda is weakest BW game up to date, because they somehow managed to screw up two most important things that made all their other games great - character and dialogue writing. Everything can be forgiven and overlooked if those two were on par with previous BW games, because that is what BW RPG essence lies in, but with Andromeda - there is no excuses. Think of it this way - if new season of Game of Thrones was getting a story and character cast of My Little Pony, it would be a crap Game of Thrones. Not because MLP is bad, but because from GoT ppl naturally expect GoT. That's why you should make your complains in a constructive way, not whining like this, In my point of view characters are what kept the game together and helped me finish the game, it's the open world and scattered quests that made it bad if it wasn't for the good characters I couldn't have done most of the game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 12:21:42 GMT
I hear you. I had a lot of complains about MEA but we gotta remember that there aren't any other companies that make games like Bioware does, and if everybody keeps shitting on them we won't get the games we wished for, ever. yes, but if we ignore and pretend that, for example bad writing is not bad writing, and crap is not crap, then we will not get games we wished for either. Objectively Andromeda is weakest BW game up to date, because they somehow managed to screw up two most important things that made all their other games great - character and dialogue writing. Everything can be forgiven and overlooked if those two were on par with previous BW games, because that is what BW RPG essence lies in, but with Andromeda - there is no excuses. Think of it this way - if new season of Game of Thrones was getting a story and character cast of My Little Pony, it would be a crap Game of Thrones. Not because MLP is bad, but because from GoT ppl naturally expect GoT. Err, nope. That's your opinion. See here bsn.boards.net/thread/6862/rank-mass-effect-games?page=8Maybe this will help you understand...
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 12:24:42 GMT
yes, but if we ignore and pretend that, for example bad writing is not bad writing, and crap is not crap, then we will not get games we wished for either. Objectively Andromeda is weakest BW game up to date, because they somehow managed to screw up two most important things that made all their other games great - character and dialogue writing. Everything can be forgiven and overlooked if those two were on par with previous BW games, because that is what BW RPG essence lies in, but with Andromeda - there is no excuses. Think of it this way - if new season of Game of Thrones was getting a story and character cast of My Little Pony, it would be a crap Game of Thrones. Not because MLP is bad, but because from GoT ppl naturally expect GoT. That's why you should make your complains in a constructive way, not whining like this, In my point of view characters are what kept the game together and helped me finish the game, it's the open world and scattered quests that made it bad if it wasn't for the good characters I couldn't have done most of the game. Speaking in your manner, how about you and other fanboys will start leading by example and start being constructive in regard to both good AND bad parts as well? Because right now there is a lot of constructive well written criticism on forum by me and other ppl, which is getting drowned in all the subjective rose-tinted praising and excuses for this game coming from the fanboys, as well as personal insults and rage aimed at those who are able to point out huge shortcomings of Andromeda. And since you mentioned characters - thats is exactly whats wrong with this game. Character and dialogue writing is terrible and all time low for BW games, and this is first and foremost reason why Andromeda is widely considered to be a huge disappointment. If character and dialogue writing was in place, all other flaws could be overlooked, just like in all previous BW RPGs, but completely dropping the ball in the most important and traditionally strong part of the game is nothing else but inexcusable crime against BW fans.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 12:31:36 GMT
yes, but if we ignore and pretend that, for example bad writing is not bad writing, and crap is not crap, then we will not get games we wished for either. Objectively Andromeda is weakest BW game up to date, because they somehow managed to screw up two most important things that made all their other games great - character and dialogue writing. Everything can be forgiven and overlooked if those two were on par with previous BW games, because that is what BW RPG essence lies in, but with Andromeda - there is no excuses. Think of it this way - if new season of Game of Thrones was getting a story and character cast of My Little Pony, it would be a crap Game of Thrones. Not because MLP is bad, but because from GoT ppl naturally expect GoT. Err, nope. That's your opinion. See here bsn.boards.net/thread/6862/rank-mass-effect-games?page=8Maybe this will help you understand... that poll you reffer to means absolutely nothing except that Andromeda is more favorably received on this exact forum and this forum alone, which is by its nature would hold a higher concentration of fanboys. I feel almost sad for you to needing me explain things like that...
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Post by goishen on Apr 4, 2017 12:34:48 GMT
So, now we have people telling us how to complain?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 4, 2017 12:36:48 GMT
That's why you should make your complains in a constructive way, not whining like this, In my point of view characters are what kept the game together and helped me finish the game, it's the open world and scattered quests that made it bad if it wasn't for the good characters I couldn't have done most of the game. Speaking in your manner, how about you and other fanboys will start leading by example and start being constructive in regard to both good AND bad parts as well? Because right now there is a lot of constructive well written criticism on forum by me and other ppl, which is getting drowned in all the subjective rose-tinted praising and excuses for this game coming from the fanboys, as well as personal insults and rage aimed at those who are able to point out huge shortcomings of Andromeda. And since you mentioned characters - thats is exactly whats wrong with this game. Character and dialogue writing is terrible and all time low for BW games, and this is first and foremost reason why Andromeda is widely considered to be a huge disappointment. If character and dialogue writing was in place, all other flaws could be overlooked, just like in all previous BW RPGs, but completely dropping the ball in the most important and traditionally strong part of the game is nothing else but inexcusable crime against BW fans. I just said that quests are scattered and took my attention from the game, and if you want to hear what I didn't like fine; -Animations when leaving/travelling/entering planets -Fetch quests -Facial animations (obviously) -bugs and glitches (duh) -Squadmates being useless in combat -not being able to save during missions -Scanning -Slow opening -Open world in general doesn't suit BW and many others But there is no way I'm talking shit about characters because I liked them very much and if you didn't thats your preference not a fact
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Post by osito on Apr 4, 2017 12:36:52 GMT
That's why you should make your complains in a constructive way, not whining like this, In my point of view characters are what kept the game together and helped me finish the game, it's the open world and scattered quests that made it bad if it wasn't for the good characters I couldn't have done most of the game. Speaking in your manner, how about you and other fanboys will start leading by example and start being constructive in regard to both good AND bad parts as well? Because right now there is a lot of constructive well written criticism on forum by me and other ppl, which is getting drowned in all the subjective rose-tinted praising and excuses for this game coming from the fanboys, as well as personal insults and rage aimed at those who are able to point out huge shortcomings of Andromeda. And since you mentioned characters - thats is exactly whats wrong with this game. Character and dialogue writing is terrible and all time low for BW games, and this is first and foremost reason why Andromeda is widely considered to be a huge disappointment. If character and dialogue writing was in place, all other flaws could be overlooked, just like in all previous BW RPGs, but completely dropping the ball in the most important and traditionally strong part of the game is nothing else but inexcusable crime against BW fans. The character and dialogue stuff is still a matter of opinion. I did an another MET playthrough last year, after a year or two away from the games. I enjoyed it, but there were frequently parts of the dialogue I considered awkward or even rubbish, and plenty of it was boring. And some of it was great. I've just played through most of MEA and my feelings were exactly the same. There was awkward dialogue, there was rubbish, and boring stuff, and some of it was great. There is a lot more dialogue in MEA, and perhaps that is where the problem lies. Perhaps the proportion of good dialogue is lower, although I can't say I noticed. The problem with the debate on this issue is that people with a different opinion come along and tell me I'm objectively wrong, and that my opinion shows my lack of judgement and discernment. Once you get to that point, there is no point in further debate.
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Post by brad2240 on Apr 4, 2017 12:38:17 GMT
I hear you. I had a lot of complains about MEA but we gotta remember that there aren't any other companies that make games like Bioware does, and if everybody keeps shitting on them we won't get the games we wished for, ever. yes, but if we ignore and pretend that, for example bad writing is not bad writing, and crap is not crap, then we will not get games we wished for either. Objectively Andromeda is weakest BW game up to date, because they somehow managed to screw up two most important things that made all their other games great - character and dialogue writing. Everything can be forgiven and overlooked if those two were on par with previous BW games, because that is what BW RPG essence lies in, but with Andromeda - there is no excuses. Think of it this way - if new season of Game of Thrones was getting a story and character cast of My Little Pony, it would be a crap Game of Thrones. Not because MLP is bad, but because from GoT ppl naturally expect GoT.
No, not "objectively." That's your opinion. This is maybe my biggest problem with people on both sides of the argument, asserting their opinion as if it is concrete fact and the only one possible.
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Post by correctamundo on Apr 4, 2017 12:41:23 GMT
I hear you. I had a lot of complains about MEA but we gotta remember that there aren't any other companies that make games like Bioware does, and if everybody keeps shitting on them we won't get the games we wished for, ever. yes, but if we ignore and pretend that, for example bad writing is not bad writing, and crap is not crap, then we will not get games we wished for either. Objectively subjectively Andromeda is weakest BW game up to date, because they somehow managed to screw up two most important things that made all their other games great - character and dialogue writing. Everything can be forgiven and overlooked if those two were on par with previous BW games, because that is what BW RPG essence lies in, but with Andromeda - there is no excuses. Think of it this way - if new season of Game of Thrones was getting a story and character cast of My Little Pony, it would be a crap Game of Thrones. Not because MLP is bad, but because from GoT ppl naturally expect GoT. Oh boy. Words are so difficult.
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Post by Sondergaard on Apr 4, 2017 12:43:07 GMT
yes, but if we ignore and pretend that, for example bad writing is not bad writing, and crap is not crap, then we will not get games we wished for either. Objectively Andromeda is weakest BW game up to date, because they somehow managed to screw up two most important things that made all their other games great - character and dialogue writing. Everything can be forgiven and overlooked if those two were on par with previous BW games, because that is what BW RPG essence lies in, but with Andromeda - there is no excuses. Think of it this way - if new season of Game of Thrones was getting a story and character cast of My Little Pony, it would be a crap Game of Thrones. Not because MLP is bad, but because from GoT ppl naturally expect GoT. Err, nope. That's your opinion. See here bsn.boards.net/thread/6862/rank-mass-effect-games?page=8Maybe this will help you understand... That's a Daniel Patrick Moynihan quote, not Ricky Gervais (though I'm not surprised that self promoting narcissist has managed to take the credit).
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 12:48:57 GMT
Speaking in your manner, how about you and other fanboys will start leading by example and start being constructive in regard to both good AND bad parts as well? Because right now there is a lot of constructive well written criticism on forum by me and other ppl, which is getting drowned in all the subjective rose-tinted praising and excuses for this game coming from the fanboys, as well as personal insults and rage aimed at those who are able to point out huge shortcomings of Andromeda. And since you mentioned characters - thats is exactly whats wrong with this game. Character and dialogue writing is terrible and all time low for BW games, and this is first and foremost reason why Andromeda is widely considered to be a huge disappointment. If character and dialogue writing was in place, all other flaws could be overlooked, just like in all previous BW RPGs, but completely dropping the ball in the most important and traditionally strong part of the game is nothing else but inexcusable crime against BW fans. The character and dialogue stuff is still a matter of opinion. I did an another MET playthrough last year, after a year or two away from the games. I enjoyed it, but there were frequently parts of the dialogue I considered awkward or even rubbish, and plenty of it was boring. And some of it was great. I've just played through most of MEA and my feelings were exactly the same. There was awkward dialogue, there was rubbish, and boring stuff, and some of it was great. There is a lot more dialogue in MEA, and perhaps that is where the problem lies. Perhaps the proportion of good dialogue is lower, although I can't say I noticed. The problem with the debate on this issue is that people with a different opinion come along and tell me I'm objectively wrong, and that my opinion shows my lack of judgement and discernment. Once you get to that point, there is no point in further debate. Except that if you dont start it, somebody else will, and that even shows in this thread with army of fanboys mustering to defend their beloved game. So why really care if even BW doesn't, no matter how constructive or objective we get? At least unlike majority of those "this is your subjective opinion!!! game is great/terrible!!!"-boys, I can actually form and articulate my opinion in constructive and reasonable manner, and back it up by arguments and facts and explain why I think the way I do. I am content with that. Otherwise just keep piling up and telling me about things being my opinion. At least I have one of my own.
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Post by chugster on Apr 4, 2017 12:50:44 GMT
That's why you should make your complains in a constructive way, not whining like this, In my point of view characters are what kept the game together and helped me finish the game, it's the open world and scattered quests that made it bad if it wasn't for the good characters I couldn't have done most of the game. , as well as personal insults and rage aimed at those who are able to point out huge shortcomings of Andromeda. . You really didn't read my post did you? I posted this for people like you in the hopes you would read it properly and understand the difference between constructive criticsm and negative toxicity I am not raging at people pointing out the shortcomings in MEA....I am raging at the retarded monkeys who cant do it without huge negativity and toxicity. Please, read my post again and again and again, maybe you might actually understand it after the tenth read? If you cant see the difference then you really shouldnt be allowed on the internet
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 4, 2017 12:54:35 GMT
, as well as personal insults and rage aimed at those who are able to point out huge shortcomings of Andromeda. . You really didn't read my post did you? I posted this for people like you in the hopes you would read it properly and understand the difference between constructive criticsm and negative toxicity I am not raging at people pointing out the shortcomings in MEA....I am raging at the retarded monkeys who cant do it without huge negativity and toxicity. Please, read my post again and again and again, maybe you might actually understand it after the tenth read? If you cant see the difference then you really shouldnt be allowed on the internet I read your original post and already replied to it on the first page. You should go and read, reread and keep rereading it untill you understand what I was saying. But in case you will not, then I just repeat that you taking to much credit for yourself thinking that anybody really cares for you or your opinion that you have to create an entire thread explaining yourself. Talk about narcissism...
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Post by thumbfu on Apr 4, 2017 12:55:34 GMT
There seems to be a lot of these "i need to defend my position!" posts. People either saying they don't care, or they do care for reasons.
Listen, here's a little PSA from an old man.
You don't need to defend yourself for liking something, specifically on a subjective matter like a video game. Because you know there are gonna be people who disagree with you. Just fucking enjoy it.
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Post by chugster on Apr 4, 2017 12:56:16 GMT
so... what exactly makes you think that you are so special to warrant an entire topic about yourself?.. ugh somebody, pour me some Ryncol! I registered, therefore have the right to make new posts...simple as. You really are an argumentative so and so....aren't you?
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Post by ProbeAway on Apr 4, 2017 12:57:43 GMT
The character and dialogue stuff is still a matter of opinion. I did an another MET playthrough last year, after a year or two away from the games. I enjoyed it, but there were frequently parts of the dialogue I considered awkward or even rubbish, and plenty of it was boring. And some of it was great. I've just played through most of MEA and my feelings were exactly the same. There was awkward dialogue, there was rubbish, and boring stuff, and some of it was great. There is a lot more dialogue in MEA, and perhaps that is where the problem lies. Perhaps the proportion of good dialogue is lower, although I can't say I noticed. The problem with the debate on this issue is that people with a different opinion come along and tell me I'm objectively wrong, and that my opinion shows my lack of judgement and discernment. Once you get to that point, there is no point in further debate. Except that if you dont start it, somebody else will, and that even shows in this thread with army of fanboys mustering to defend their beloved game. So why really care if even BW doesn't, no matter how constructive or objective we get? At least unlike majority of those "this is your subjective opinion!!! game is great/terrible!!!"-boys, I can actually form and articulate my opinion in constructive and reasonable manner, and back it up by arguments and facts and explain why I think the way I do. I am content with that. Otherwise just keep piling up and telling me about things being my opinion. At least I have one of my own. But that is exactly what OP is encouraging! People who articulate their views on the game (whether good or bad) constructively are doing the right thing. People who rant about the game or gloss over its issues are doing no favours to BW or their consumers. It kinda sounds like you agree with what OP was saying to begin with!
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Post by goishen on Apr 4, 2017 12:58:36 GMT
Subjective isn't an opinion.
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Post by chugster on Apr 4, 2017 13:04:07 GMT
Except that if you dont start it, somebody else will, and that even shows in this thread with army of fanboys mustering to defend their beloved game. So why really care if even BW doesn't, no matter how constructive or objective we get? At least unlike majority of those "this is your subjective opinion!!! game is great/terrible!!!"-boys, I can actually form and articulate my opinion in constructive and reasonable manner, and back it up by arguments and facts and explain why I think the way I do. I am content with that. Otherwise just keep piling up and telling me about things being my opinion. At least I have one of my own. But that is exactly what OP is encouraging! People who articulate their views on the game (whether good or bad) constructively are doing the right thing. People who rant about the game or gloss over its issues are doing no favours to BW or their consumers. It kinda sounds like you agree with what OP was saying to begin with! Exactly
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