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Post by Element Zero on Apr 6, 2017 6:29:27 GMT
Ugh. No Reapers. I've already defeated this enemy. They had a small narrative place in this tale, and that's it. I'd much prefer the fifth ark be in trouble with the Scourge, the kett, or one of the other foreshadowed threats. We need to move the IP forward, not backward. I already defeated the genophage too, yet that is still present in MEA. I'd see no harm in having one or two Reapers play a minor role in DLC or the next game. As long as the storytelling is excellent, that's all anybody should really care about. This idea is not excellent. It also goes directly against the relatively clean break with the Reaper War trilogy that they've gone out of heir way to make.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 6, 2017 6:50:46 GMT
I already defeated the genophage too, yet that is still present in MEA. I'd see no harm in having one or two Reapers play a minor role in DLC or the next game. As long as the storytelling is excellent, that's all anybody should really care about. This idea is not excellent. It also goes directly against the relatively clean break with the Reaper War trilogy that they've gone out of heir way to make. In your opinion. Quite a few here seem to be in favor of the idea of the quarian ark being under attack by a Reaper. It's certainly far more interesting than most of the other ideas suggested, and even MEA hints at the prospect. An isolated Reaper or two chasing after the quarian ark in no way invalidates or brings the ME3 ending into question. You are letting your own personal bias towards ME3 get in the way of telling a good story.
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Post by melisan on Apr 6, 2017 8:30:45 GMT
I would like it if it had something to do with the black whole in the center of the cluster, I don't know but it's just there's a giant black hole there!!!! no one is paying attention to that!!!! Black holes at the centers of galaxies are more the Rule than an Exception. Supermassive Black holes are almost definitely at the center of every large galaxy. So... I think they noticed it.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 6, 2017 10:31:38 GMT
This idea is not excellent. It also goes directly against the relatively clean break with the Reaper War trilogy that they've gone out of heir way to make. In your opinion. Quite a few here seem to be in favor of the idea of the quarian ark being under attack by a Reaper. It's certainly far more interesting than most of the other ideas suggested, and even MEA hints at the prospect. An isolated Reaper or two chasing after the quarian ark in no way invalidates or brings the ME3 ending into question. You are letting your own personal bias towards ME3 get in the way of telling a good story. Naturally. You did ask for opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 6, 2017 13:14:54 GMT
It would be interesting, especially if we are given the choice of letting the Quarian die which I would pick without hesitating.
I am curious on why they don't want to be followed, there might be a bigger bad out there.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 6, 2017 17:12:14 GMT
That doesn't address the issue in any way. Is this you admitting the Reapers following the quarian ark is possible? It doesn't actually matter to me if you believe it or not. I just think your "canon" argument is a rather weak position to take, given the subject matter we are dealing with here. No, I don't think it is possible and if it was, they still would not follow anyways. The Reapers are largely Synthetic constructs following the directive of an advanced AI. They are very point blank about their motives. They are too preserve the existence of Organic life in the Milky way, not Andromeda. Given their directive and purpose could you explain to me why they would bother following the Quarians and co out of the galaxy they are programmed to protect? Here is the problem I have with this idea. The entire Reaper method has been to kill off all smart biological life, erase any and all evidence of said life and then, 'hibernate' in dark space until the next group of biological life evolve enough. This as worked for them countless times but it requires the 'cleansing' of all knowledge of them or else when they return for the next harvest they would have a very PO'ed race of beings who have had lots of time to develop new tec and massive amounts of it. Now we come to the Andromeda Initiative. For me it matters not if they caught the Quarian Ark leaving or not. They certainly would have found records of it. They would have NO choice but to follow and destroy the entire Andromeda Initiative or they would certainly face their own destruction the next time they returned to start another cycle. This is one of the HUGE plot holes that Bioware is just 'waving their hands' about and yelling, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain."
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 6, 2017 17:18:15 GMT
No, I don't think it is possible and if it was, they still would not follow anyways. The Reapers are largely Synthetic constructs following the directive of an advanced AI. They are very point blank about their motives. They are too preserve the existence of Organic life in the Milky way, not Andromeda. Given their directive and purpose could you explain to me why they would bother following the Quarians and co out of the galaxy they are programmed to protect? Here is the problem I have with this idea. The entire Reaper method has been to kill off all smart biological life, erase any and all evidence of said life and then, 'hibernate' in dark space until the next group of biological life evolve enough. This as worked for them countless times but it requires the 'cleansing' of all knowledge of them or else when they return for the next harvest they would have a very PO'ed race of beings who have had lots of time to develop new tec and massive amounts of it. Now we come to the Andromeda Initiative. For me it matters not if they caught the Quarian Ark leaving or not. They certainly would have found records of it. They would have NO choice but to follow and destroy the entire Andromeda Initiative or they would certainly face their own destruction the next time they returned to start another cycle. This is one of the HUGE plot holes that Bioware is just 'waving their hands' about and yelling, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." You are wrong,Reapers kill all sentient species that have advanced past a certain technological point,if you have not advanced ie Yagh you are left alone. They don't need to really cleanse that much as all technology the races use is the Reapers mass effect tech and in a few thousand years most traces of civilizations have been reclaimed by the wilderness. They would of found records of it,is complete supposition on your part.It's not a plot hole,you are just stubborn and only accept your way and no others.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 6, 2017 17:30:48 GMT
Here is the problem I have with this idea. The entire Reaper method has been to kill off all smart biological life, erase any and all evidence of said life and then, 'hibernate' in dark space until the next group of biological life evolve enough. This as worked for them countless times but it requires the 'cleansing' of all knowledge of them or else when they return for the next harvest they would have a very PO'ed race of beings who have had lots of time to develop new tec and massive amounts of it. Now we come to the Andromeda Initiative. For me it matters not if they caught the Quarian Ark leaving or not. They certainly would have found records of it. They would have NO choice but to follow and destroy the entire Andromeda Initiative or they would certainly face their own destruction the next time they returned to start another cycle. This is one of the HUGE plot holes that Bioware is just 'waving their hands' about and yelling, "Pay no attention to the man behind the curtain." You are wrong,Reapers kill all sentient species that have advanced past a certain technological point,if you have not advanced ie Yagh you are left alone. They don't need to really cleanse that much as all technology the races use is the Reapers mass effect tech and in a few thousand years most traces of civilizations have been reclaimed by the wilderness. They would of found records of it,is complete supposition on your part.It's not a plot hole,you are just stubborn and only accept your way and no others. I am sorry but you must not have followed the original trilogy very closely. One of the things the Reapers do before going back to Dark Space is to erase as much evidences of themselves, and the previous races as much as possible so the next races won't have a clue what hit them when they show back up. In the case of the ME1 the very reason our current cycle had any chance was they missed what the Prothians left behind and this allowed the remaining Prothians to emerge from stasis after the Reapers left and to sabotage the Citadel. I won't go into any more details but you really need to review ME canon.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 6, 2017 17:40:45 GMT
You are wrong,Reapers kill all sentient species that have advanced past a certain technological point,if you have not advanced ie Yagh you are left alone. They don't need to really cleanse that much as all technology the races use is the Reapers mass effect tech and in a few thousand years most traces of civilizations have been reclaimed by the wilderness. They would of found records of it,is complete supposition on your part.It's not a plot hole,you are just stubborn and only accept your way and no others. I am sorry but you must not have followed the original trilogy very closely. One of the things the Reapers do before going back to Dark Space is to erase as much evidences of themselves, and the previous races as much as possible so the next races won't have a clue what hit them when they show back up. In the case of the ME1 the very reason our current cycle had any chance was they missed what the Prothians left behind and this allowed the remaining Prothians to emerge from stasis after the Reapers left and to sabotage the Citadel. I won't go into any more details but you really need to review ME canon. I have played the games from the first one to the the third and this current iteration.It is you that are flawed in your reasoning,it is you that refuses to even admit you are wrong when the evidence suggests so,if the Reapers clean up all traces of civilizations why do they keep finding ruins,i mean the Thorian was in a ruined city complete with skyscrapers,guess the Reaperrs must of overlooked the mile high building the Protheans made. What the Reapers hide or try to hide is the existence of them and the cycle.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 6, 2017 18:00:27 GMT
I don't think it could be the Reapers. I think even a single Reaper would able to relatively quickly destroy an ARK. I also hope it's not a Reaper because I don't care for one showing up and retreading old ground in that manner.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 6, 2017 18:08:13 GMT
mrobnoxiousuk I am not going to argue with you, no point I will just leave you with this. "The Reapers leave no evidence of their conquest, nor of their existence – only desolate, barren ruins of those who came before. Extant information on them is so scant that they are known merely as "boogeymen" at best in many cultures' ancient legends." From a nice Wiki article about the Mass Effect Universe. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/Reaper
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 6, 2017 18:16:43 GMT
mrobnoxiousuk I am not going to argue with you, no point I will just leave you with this. "The Reapers leave no evidence of their conquest, nor of their existence – only desolate, barren ruins of those who came before. Extant information on them is so scant that they are known merely as "boogeymen" at best in many cultures' ancient legends." From a nice Wiki article about the Mass Effect Universe. masseffect.wikia.com/wiki/ReaperYou constantly chop and change what you allege to have said. "The entire Reaper method has been to kill off all smart biological life, erase any and all evidence of said life and then, 'hibernate' in dark space until the next group of biological life evolve enough." this is one of your statements which is patently false,you make statements like this all the time and when someone challenges you,you try to strawman them. Your current quotation contradicts your previous ones,be consistent please.
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Post by Garo on Apr 6, 2017 18:51:33 GMT
It was nice to hear quarian voice again. This is SO going to be the first DLC.
Also can somebody tell me how they are going to preserve this many races on one arc?
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Post by sil on Apr 6, 2017 18:53:54 GMT
It was nice to hear quarian voice again. This is SO going to be the first DLC. Also can somebody tell me how they are going to preserve this many races on one arc? Could be a larger ark. They should've just had them as a second wave of arks, each with one race on board.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 6, 2017 18:57:14 GMT
In your opinion. Quite a few here seem to be in favor of the idea of the quarian ark being under attack by a Reaper. It's certainly far more interesting than most of the other ideas suggested, and even MEA hints at the prospect. An isolated Reaper or two chasing after the quarian ark in no way invalidates or brings the ME3 ending into question. You are letting your own personal bias towards ME3 get in the way of telling a good story. Naturally. You did ask for opinions. The more opinions, the better. I just don't see how an opinion that completely refutes the OP being productive or in any way adds to the discussion. It would be far more compelling for you to give a breakdown of why this shouldn't happen, rather than you don't want it to happen.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 6, 2017 20:35:04 GMT
Naturally. You did ask for opinions. The more opinions, the better. I just don't see how an opinion that completely refutes the OP being productive or in any way adds to the discussion. It would be far more compelling for you to give a breakdown of why this shouldn't happen, rather than you don't want it to happen. I've already done so, but maybe you missed that post. Involving the Reapers in this narrative in any way further than they've already done so would be a terrible choice, and bad for the IP. This is a fresh start. Involving enemies from a resolved, retired trilogy would be senseless retreading of old ground.
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Post by vilegrim on Apr 6, 2017 22:01:41 GMT
I would like it if it had something to do with the black whole in the center of the cluster, I don't know but it's just there's a giant black hole there!!!! no one is paying attention to that!!!! Think is clusters and indeed galaxies have to form around something and so far blackholes have been that thing. So it's noy unreasonable. On reapers: it would be a short attack, a Sovereign Class woukd melt an ark, a Destroyer Class would just burn it. They aren't powerful enough to even slow a capital ship down.
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Post by sil on Apr 6, 2017 22:08:12 GMT
If they knew that there were other arks as well, they'd probably use the quarian ark as bait to lure in people from the other arks. That way they can discover the location of the arks, nexus, colonies, etc.
Not that I think it'll be Reapers, just that they would likely use it as bait rather than just pewpewing it out of existence.
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Post by dropzofcrimzon on Apr 6, 2017 22:14:47 GMT
I don't k ow about that
But WHY do we have humans that have are called -insert first name here- vas nexus????
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Post by sil on Apr 6, 2017 22:16:24 GMT
That human character tells you why she has a quarian name, her parents were ambassadors/diplomats sent by the Systems Alliance to the Migrant Fleet. She took on the name as she grew up among them.
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Post by vilegrim on Apr 6, 2017 22:28:24 GMT
If they knew that there were other arks as well, they'd probably use the quarian ark as bait to lure in people from the other arks. That way they can discover the location of the arks, nexus, colonies, etc. Not that I think it'll be Reapers, just that they would likely use it as bait rather than just pewpewing it out of existence. Depends on the Reapers parameters, they seem milly way focused, after all if they wanted to hit Ndromeda, nothing stopped them, hell the Local Group is in range with the flight durations they could pull off, but no evidence of them visiting andromeda exists, no relays, no legends, nada. So they prob don't care about escapees, their programing was to solve ths synthetic problem in the Leviathan Empire (for lack of a better term) they are still doing that millions of years later, again and again
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Post by sil on Apr 6, 2017 22:34:27 GMT
I'm pretty sure they would care for escapees, they appear to operate under the goal of wiping out all of that cycle or ascending them into Reaper form, in order to allow another cycle to start. Allowing anyone to escape stops them from achieving their goal.
Again, I -really- doubt that Reapers are involved. I'm just saying that if they were, they wouldn't just destroy the Quarian Ark. They are far more manipulative and subtle than that.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 0:30:53 GMT
I'm pretty sure they would care for escapees, they appear to operate under the goal of wiping out all of that cycle or ascending them into Reaper form, in order to allow another cycle to start. Allowing anyone to escape stops them from achieving their goal. Again, I -really- doubt that Reapers are involved. I'm just saying that if they were, they wouldn't just destroy the Quarian Ark. They are far more manipulative and subtle than that. Right on the money. Reapers will go anywhere the Milky Way species go. If it was as easy as just leaving the Milky Way, I'm fairly certain previous cycles would have tried to run. Some probably did attempt to make a voyage. Regardless, I don't believe the Reaper theory is unreasonable.
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Post by mrobnoxiousuk on Apr 7, 2017 1:15:21 GMT
I'm pretty sure they would care for escapees, they appear to operate under the goal of wiping out all of that cycle or ascending them into Reaper form, in order to allow another cycle to start. Allowing anyone to escape stops them from achieving their goal. Again, I -really- doubt that Reapers are involved. I'm just saying that if they were, they wouldn't just destroy the Quarian Ark. They are far more manipulative and subtle than that. Right on the money. Reapers will go anywhere the Milky Way species go. If it was as easy as just leaving the Milky Way, I'm fairly certain previous cycles would have tried to run. Some probably did attempt to make a voyage. Regardless, I don't believe the Reaper theory is unreasonable. I was under the impression that the citadel plan had always worked up until Shepard's cycle?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 18, 2017 22:04:18 GMT
Hope there are reapers !
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