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Post by Doominike on Apr 13, 2017 3:08:40 GMT
They need better boob physics.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 13, 2017 4:13:35 GMT
Ya the straights have good scenes, the rest does not even exists. The straight men. Liam romance for straight women is also shit. And let's be honest here, alien romances are a total joke. |
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Post by demonicdivas on Apr 14, 2017 13:31:11 GMT
Literally Sara is about as into what's going on in that scene as a plank of wood. And what's with her gravity defying boobs?
Puts me off watching the other two, or maybe I will for a good laugh....
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Post by OdanUrr on Apr 14, 2017 14:04:27 GMT
I have to admit that TW3 still does romance miles better, and it's not because it's more graphic, but because it's better paced, integrated, and developed. That scene in the warehouse where Triss and Geralt discuss their feelings, or when Geralt and Yen defeat the Djinn, those scenes are quite moving yet non-explicit. They also take place in a variety of locations that flow organically with Geralt's story. Heck, Triss even tries to push you away throughout the game and only relents if you keep at it, and Yen hides her feelings all too well. True, TW3 has 2 romance options whereas Andromeda has, what, 7? More? Maybe that's the answer, have less romance options but better developed.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 14, 2017 23:48:12 GMT
Liam romance for straight women is also shit. Yeah, not a boob or a butt to be seen  |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 11:22:30 GMT
I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated.
Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence?
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Post by kumazan on Apr 15, 2017 12:15:11 GMT
I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated. Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence? Because at some point graphic violence became more morally acceptable than nudity. I vehemently disagree with that, but it is what it is. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 15, 2017 13:37:21 GMT
I am nearing the end of my second playthrough but my first on was with jaal and I did not expect the scene with him to be so....intinmate. Then I saw cora's and was shocked at how it was done. I am not a prude or compalining but bioware has come a long way from DAO underwear sex scenes. Although Mass effect has always done those scenes better the dragon age. Was anybody else suprised by this. Even the kissing looked relatively real instead of kiss sounds when their faces pressed against eachother. I would't know. Sorry that is just the salt talking.  Actually I have watched all the romances on youtube. The sex scenes seemed well done for those who got them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 4:32:37 GMT
I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated. Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence? Combat is a significant part of the gameplay. If I don't kill enemies in games, they'll kill my character. It's self-defense and/or the key to some objective that typically involves defending innocents/civilians from harm. If it were up to me, combat would be less graphic than a lot of it is - for example, DA2 features giblets and buckets of blood. Nudity, otoh, is usually gratuitous fanservice. Sex scenes put definition on something that could otherwise be the player's individual headcanon. Some people prefer their own fantasy/headcanon over the uncanny valley animations. BTW - stating preferences =/= "making a fuss". I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated. Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence? Because at some point graphic violence became more morally acceptable than nudity. I vehemently disagree with that, but it is what it is. I don't know that morality has anything to do with it. But instead of trying to paint with a broad brush, you might try asking people who feel that way. |
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Post by kumazan on Apr 16, 2017 9:12:03 GMT
Because at some point graphic violence became more morally acceptable than nudity. I vehemently disagree with that, but it is what it is. I don't know that morality has anything to do with it. But instead of trying to paint with a broad brush, you might try asking people who feel that way. There will always be a 1001 answers for every 1000 people, so no thanks. He asked a general question and I gave a general answer, those who don't feel morals take any part in their dislike of such scenes shouldn't take it personally, that's all. Not that there's anything bad per se in feeling awkward over those scenes, anyway, morals notwithstanding. |
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Post by turianlannister on Apr 16, 2017 10:51:00 GMT
I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated. Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence? People are making a fuss because some romances got nudity and others didn't, for example only the f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers got nudity |
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Post by theratpack55 on Apr 16, 2017 11:25:35 GMT
I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated. Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence? People are making a fuss because some romances got nudity and others didn't, for example only the f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers got nudity I think this was more in reference to those people who complain about the game featuring nudity/somewhat graphic sex scenes at all. Personally, I'm pro both sex and graphic violence in video games. Not every game needs or contains them, so it's not like those who dislike those aspects can't choose to play a game they would find more enjoyable. For me, games are entertainment and escapism, and I happen to find decapitating people in a fictional setting entertaining and cathartic. Similarly, well done sex scenes entertain me as well (tho unlike the gore this is something I also enjoy irl  ). Ultimately, everything in a video game is "gratuitous", since playing a game is supposed to be a pleasurable activity. |
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Post by Doominike on Apr 16, 2017 11:46:22 GMT
It's more immersive, if my char gets to see boobs and I don't there'll be a disconnect.
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Post by Iakus on Apr 16, 2017 16:09:03 GMT
I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated. Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence? Hey, I would LOVE for there to be more nonviolent options in these games! I complained about the unecessary gore in ME3. But given this is a shooter, one kinda has to accept that's the protagonist is going to be a murder hobo. And there's nothing "tame" about these sex scenes, save the lack of actual genitalia being shown. |
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Post by residentalienme on Apr 16, 2017 16:40:02 GMT
Just a thought on the "sex should be in private" assertion that I haven't seen expressed here.
When I play an RPG I am the character. So, when Ryder has a sex scene, explicit or otherwise, there are only two people present, me and Peebee (or whoever).
On another, related, subject, I'm surprised that I haven't read anything negative about inter-species coupling. I don't have a moral problem, they are all sentient creatures and able to give assent, but how likely is it that two "people" of different species would have sexual responses to each other? Deep friendship by all means, but it would seem that evolved sexual "triggers" would not be present. The Asari are an exception of course.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 18:22:32 GMT
I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated. Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence? People are making a fuss because some romances got nudity and others didn't, for example only the f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers got nudity The scene with Jaal has nudity too. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 18:28:02 GMT
I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated. Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence? People are making a fuss because some romances got nudity and others didn't, for example only the f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers got nudity Pretty much! Straight men got nude Scott and Cora and nude Scott and PeeBee Straight women got nude Sara and Jaal Lesbian women got nude Sara and PeeBee So straight women and lesbian women got one nude scene, and straight men got 2 nude scenes and the enjoyment of Sara/PeeBee going at it if that's a turn on to them. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 18:57:30 GMT
I never quite understood why some make a fuss over brief nudity in a game where enemies can be set on fire or be decapitated. Why are sex scenes, even fairly tame ones, considered more objectionable by some than depictions of graphic violence? Combat is a significant part of the gameplay. If I don't kill enemies in games, they'll kill my character. It's self-defense and/or the key to some objective that typically involves defending innocents/civilians from harm. If it were up to me, combat would be less graphic than a lot of it is - for example, DA2 features giblets and buckets of blood. Nudity, otoh, is usually gratuitous fanservice. Sex scenes put definition on something that could otherwise be the player's individual headcanon. Some people prefer their own fantasy/headcanon over the uncanny valley animations. BTW - stating preferences =/= "making a fuss". Because at some point graphic violence became more morally acceptable than nudity. I vehemently disagree with that, but it is what it is. I don't know that morality has anything to do with it. But instead of trying to paint with a broad brush, you might try asking people who feel that way. While combat is a necessary and significant part of gameplay, heads that explode when bullets impact them are not. Gore is just as much fanservice as nudity in sex scenes, but the latter tends to get criticized a lot more often. Neither bothers me much, to be clear, but I do think that is indication that perhaps we (society in general) are a bit too sqeamish about sex and nudity. It is a bit odd that nudity offends more easily than portrayals of graphic violence. It's not just limited to games either. “I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”---George RR Martin |
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Post by turianlannister on Apr 16, 2017 19:04:04 GMT
People are making a fuss because some romances got nudity and others didn't, for example only the f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers got nudity The scene with Jaal has nudity too. 'only the f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers got nudity' Since when was Jaal a f/f romance? |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2017 19:06:15 GMT
The scene with Jaal has nudity too. 'only the f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers got nudity' Since when was Jaal a f/f romance? I think they were referring to the part I underlined, since Jaal's romance was designed for women so not all nude romances were designed with straight men in mind. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 19:12:36 GMT
The scene with Jaal has nudity too. 'only the f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers got nudity' Since when was Jaal a f/f romance? Jaal isn't female obviously, but the fact that his romance scene has nudity is an argument against the notion that Bioware only put nudity in romance scenes that appealed to straight men. Jaal was designed for straight women. Peebee's scene has nudity as well, and she was a romance option for both genders. It was gay male players who got the short end of the stick this time around, with no LIs on the squad, less content than Cora, Peebee, Jaal, or Liam from what I understand, and fades-to-black with less detailed characters that were created in the CC. |
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Post by turianlannister on Apr 16, 2017 19:37:57 GMT
'only the f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers got nudity' Since when was Jaal a f/f romance? I think they were referring to the part I underlined, since Jaal's romance was designed for women so not all nude romances were designed with straight men in mind. I never said all romances were designed with straight men in mind though, I distinctly said the f/f romance which would appeal most to straight male gamers and yes I'm well aware that she's also a m/f romance but f/f doesn't necessarily mean a f/f exclusive romance, Vetra's also a f/f romance even though she's available to both female and male Ryder. And I know PeeBee has nudity because she is the one I was referring to when I said f/f romance that Bioware thought would appeal most to straight male gamers, Bioware doesn't just make f/f for lesbians and bi women, they're also made for men who like to perv over lesbians. |
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Post by Kitsumi on Apr 16, 2017 20:15:02 GMT
Jaal isn't female obviously, but the fact that his romance scene has nudity is an argument against the notion that Bioware only put nudity in romance scenes that appealed to straight men. Jaal was designed for straight women. Peebee's scene has nudity as well, and she was a romance option for both genders. It was gay male players who got the short end of the stick this time around, with no LIs on the squad, less content than Cora, Peebee, Jaal, or Liam from what I understand, and fades-to-black with less detailed characters that were created in the CC. I wouldn't add Liam to that list, although he is a squadmate and has a unique face he has less content and quality animation than these three. It's a fact that they put more effort with Cora, Peebee and Jaal than the rest in many aspects, which is bad because squadmate or not they deserve same treatment for everyone. |
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Post by Iakus on Apr 16, 2017 20:20:34 GMT
Just a thought on the "sex should be in private" assertion that I haven't seen expressed here. When I play an RPG I am the character. So, when Ryder has a sex scene, explicit or otherwise, there are only two people present, me and Peebee (or whoever). I am not the character. The character might be an avatar of me, but that isn't the same thing. That's a valid point. But I interpret it as aliens in teh Mass Effect universe are essentially Rubber Forehead Aliens They may look kinda different, but are really only a couple of steps away from being humans themselves. Not a bad trope, in itself. And perhaps even a necessary one as I'm sure it makes animating the game a lot easier when the characters all have a similar basic framework. But yeah, in a galaxy (now galax ies) full of life forms that all evolved separate from each other, the possibilities of form should be myriad indeed. Heck, the fact that everyone's genetic code is made up of DNA should be astronomically unlikely. |
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I don't know that morality has anything to do with it. But instead of trying to paint with a broad brush, you might try asking people who feel that way. There will always be a 1001 answers for every 1000 people, so no thanks. He asked a general question and I gave a general answer, those who don't feel morals take any part in their dislike of such scenes shouldn't take it personally, that's all. Not that there's anything bad per se in feeling awkward over those scenes, anyway, morals notwithstanding. If you haven't actually researched - and are not willing to do so - perhaps it'd be best to avoid trying to answer for other people. Otherwise, you're just making assumptions based on your own world view and putting words in their mouths. Just a thought on the "sex should be in private" assertion that I haven't seen expressed here. When I play an RPG I am the character. So, when Ryder has a sex scene, explicit or otherwise, there are only two people present, me and Peebee (or whoever). Not everyone does self-inserts. And frankly, per your logic, it should all be done in first-person view and you shouldn't be seeing your character on screen at all. I'm about as interested in watching them have sex as I would be in watching them take a dump, brush their teeth, shave, or cook dinner - which is to say not at all. The scene with Jaal has nudity too. Plenty of Sara T&A, yep. While combat is a necessary and significant part of gameplay, heads that explode when bullets impact them are not. Gore is just as much fanservice as nudity in sex scenes, but the latter tends to get criticized a lot more often. Neither bothers me much, to be clear, but I do think that is indication that perhaps we (society in general) are a bit too sqeamish about sex and nudity. It is a bit odd that nudity offends more easily than portrayals of graphic violence. It's not just limited to games either. “I can describe an axe entering a human skull in great explicit detail and no one will blink twice at it. I provide a similar description, just as detailed, of a penis entering a vagina, and I get letters about it and people swearing off. To my mind this is kind of frustrating, it’s madness. Ultimately, in the history of [the] world, penises entering vaginas have given a lot of people a lot of pleasure; axes entering skulls, well, not so much.”---George RR Martin Is there some substantial relationship between violence and sex that causes people to keep trying to make comparisons like this between them? Outside of some horror flicks that sexualize and/or put their victims in sexually compromising situations before they pour on the gore, I don't see the relationship. My dislike of spam, junk mail, telemarketing calls, liver, etc. does not mean I'm squeamish about any of them. |
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