So, BW apologized for throwaway transgender stuff. Can we make them reconsider "gender pronouns" par

Bingo. Its how it was before, and that was interesting and good IMO, and its how it can continue to be, albeit with more information. If this info is informed by contemporary social progressive conversation, I have zero problem with that just as I wouldn't have a problem with a game made by a contemporary social conservative perspective that decides that a story of a married and religious man and a woman wanting a home with children in a safe community is just the story they want to tell.

I doubt that most within asari space will insist upon a binary gender for themselves. Asari will be asari and there isn't much beyond that.

But they're also individuals in a population of billions so relatively few are gonna do some things about gender. Reactions to this will vary from accepting it as a part of the interactions between asari and other cultures for millennia, to considering them a traitor to their kind's ways, depending on who is involved and how they do it.

But they're not trans, at least not in terms of the definition of human trans being something that cannot be changed. There's nothing to indicate 'trans asari' that have the exact same concept of gender and dysphoria that humanity has. But high preference for pronouns in communication, communication that the asari want to have since they communicating with binary gendered species? I'm really not nearly as offended by such a story as some.

I can like both, in a way, if done well in my eyes.

Part of setting: Frankly, I like inspirational material sometimes, and if the artist believes in it (instead of, sure, the accusations of it just being heavyhanded and tone-deaf pandering), I can love it. Audience doesn't have to agree with it. Sometimes it is perfectly appropriate to say "Well, don't buy it if you hate it so much." and leave it at that.
I am mostly positive about it in Dragon Age, actually. Medieval-inspired doesn't mean its intending on accurate representation of those times. So they made a 'medieval' Canada in some ways. ..Great? I don't need high realism all the time and Bioware's NEVER done that anyway..?
And I can say that as a gay man (and I'll start focusing on this concept as an exampe), its sometimes a goddamn RELIEF to see some happy stories about us instead of the more typical portrayal of tragedy, activism, broken hearts, constant self-conflict (even Dorian, while a bit of this injected in his story, was mostly not this), disease, persecution, hedonism, etc. Basically that we're broken people for whatever internal or external reason. Sorry public, but plenty of us are happy with ourselves, have happy relationships, and have found, gasp, SAFE SPACES where we're safe from others!

Part of conflicts: But also frankly, I like wake-up calls. Even to the point where RP can be to disapprove of homosexuality and homosexuals and seeing, well, an outcome of that at least. I'm so libertarian about this matter that I wouldn't even call to ban (privately even, not state-based) games of executing gays. As long as the horror/'horror' exists (whether it how one views homosexuality, or how one views how people treat homosexuals) I think it is valid to be encouraged by people for art, even detestable art. In most of the world, for most homosexuals, they face something like this, and for most heterosexuals, this is the kind of experience they'll see or even be part of.


I suppose my point is that I'm okay with creators deciding where they want to be in fantasy and reality. Fantasies may be less fantasy than they seem, so hell, go even ahead with worlds like Another Gay Movie (even though it is terrible; Google it). Reality can reflected in fantastical media, so hell, illustrate stories of homosexuals and homosexuality.

Everyone is propagating something, its really a matter of whether you notice and whether the propagandist identifies themselves as one and considers it important to prioritize particular messages. Sure, you'll notice it more in Bioware games and maybe it is too much to enjoy, but there's also plenty that don't notice or don't care about it in Bioware games and they continue to have their fun, and not collect in discussions on the Internet (always the bubble, no matter how worldwide it is shared).

Where I can agree with some is that Bioware at least comes too close to propaganda for many to be comfortable when it comes to what is meant to be a mainstream commercial product.

But I think they, like so many corporations taking on the rainbow flag, don't care and consider it plenty enough mainstream to carry on and let their creators do what they want about it.

And in a global economic system, this can seem jarring to many in certain nations just as (in a counter-example) many in the West can find it jarring to be seeing so much Middle-Eastern culture being allowed or even accepted by corporations than just 1-2 decades ago. The clashes seem inevitable, small or large, while the business owners just see what can maximize positive business relations (and therefore profit).

That doesn't answer the question I posed.  It makes no statement whatsoever about how individual asari want to be referenced wrt gender in languages that include gender.



Like I said several pages ago, some of them may be rejecting genderization rather than adopting some version of it.

If it weren't for the "gender politics" in real life contemporary with the development of MEA this would never have been put into the game.

Everyone knows this.



Its a political agenda. Simple as that. They want to include all of this because they are pandering to an EXTREME minority. Evidence?

www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/nhsr/nhsr077.pdf

Granted that is the USA, but there really isn't any evidence to support that it would be way higher to warrant a change in perception that it isn't still the minority. Id like to see hard evidence to the contrary.

Argue all you want about how you want to justify the retconning of the previously established lore to mean something different because of genders but it does not change the reality. It was deliberately put into the game because Bioware wants to "represent them" and the evidence suggest they really do not give a damn about the previous lore established by MET.

In ME2 we have an Asari who says her Batarian father was an excellent caretaker and an Asari shopping with her Salarian step-father.  Aethyta's parents relationship seems to have lasted until she was 100, when they killed each other over the Krogan rebellions.  ME3 has a human with an Asari wife and child.  Generally it seems that long term relationships with other species are fairly common.

Asari children being raised exclusively by the father's species I'd agree would be the exception rather than the norm, but sometimes Asari parents must die while her child is still young.  Even as the exception that still seems like it might well add up to millions of Asari.

I have personally taken the decision to stop buying Bioware games until they stop including these kind of themes in their video games. This is a form of entertainment not a political platform. These people need therapy not an apology.

Shows really how pushing their Veggie/feminist/SJW doctrines on to others is far more important than their bread and butter (the game).

If you are looking for entertainment that doesn't ever discuss current events and social and political issues, you must just watch a lot of SpongeBob episodes and Fast and Furious movies.

Most GOOD entertainment discusses or eludes to current social and political issues. Ever watch Star Trek?

Dang! I don't actually watch it, no. Guess just Fast and Furious then!