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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 6, 2017 21:51:37 GMT
The class is just stupid OP and somewhat annoying when one is on your team. I got mine to level 20 then I realized how annoying I was, when I leveled another character and ended up grouped with a Charge/melee spam Vanguard lol. Charging all over the place and constantly blocking line of sight for other players. It's fun in singleplayer, but kinda sucks to get grouped with one in multiplayer.
Maybe it's just me, but I feel Vanguard needs to be tuned down a bit in multiplayer. It's supposed to be high-risk/high-reward, but it's really only high reward especially once you get key abilities like Barrier Drain and Shock Trooper.
edit: In Bronze and Silver, Vanguard is totally op with no drawbacks. But in Gold, it actually does have the whole risk/reward thing going on. Just played my Vanguard on Gold...doesn't feel so op there.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 6, 2017 22:19:04 GMT
I've had a few vanguards but never had this problem, but then I was accustomed to gorram flamer vorchas spitting flames everywhere and I couldn't see through the inferno.
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Post by n7ltrobbiesann7 on Apr 6, 2017 22:23:16 GMT
They are a force to be reckoned with for sure. I also find Vanguard to be easy button. Play it once in a while. Working on getting the hang of other chars.
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Post by Dave the Scrub on Apr 6, 2017 23:03:59 GMT
I prefer to extract, so no, I have no issue with them being on my teams.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 6, 2017 23:06:24 GMT
I always found them annoying in MP games even in ME3 MP. They have a bad tendency to block Sniper shots, so I purposely try to screw them over by taking out target before they do when I see them lined up.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 6, 2017 23:27:01 GMT
I always found them annoying in MP games even in ME3 MP. They have a bad tendency to block Sniper shots, so I purposely try to screw them over by taking out target before they do when I see them lined up. I can vouch for how annoying having your target sniped is. Might give the MP a go today. We'll see.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 6, 2017 23:29:12 GMT
I always found them annoying in MP games even in ME3 MP. They have a bad tendency to block Sniper shots, so I purposely try to screw them over by taking out target before they do when I see them lined up. I can vouch for how annoying having your target sniped is. Might give the MP a go today. We'll see. Probably not you on PS4, but it's good to know someone is doing my job. lolz
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Post by godlike13 on Apr 6, 2017 23:32:40 GMT
Ugh, not this again. Hoping this wouldn't be a thing like in ME3.
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Post by atricks on Apr 6, 2017 23:33:11 GMT
Does it matter who gets the kill? The whole team gets the credit. I'll take any teammate willing to help.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 6, 2017 23:35:09 GMT
Does it matter who gets the kill? The whole team gets the credit. I'll take any teammate willing to help. Yes, everyone gets the same xp in the end, but do you know how annoying it is to snipe when some big dumb krogan runs in front you blocking your shot? It is extremely annoying.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 6, 2017 23:37:16 GMT
Does it matter who gets the kill? The whole team gets the credit. I'll take any teammate willing to help. Good because I'm a total noob at the MP this time and after I get back from "errands" I'm gunna need a squad. @thread I'm on PS4 promise to bring a case of Ryncol.
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Post by atricks on Apr 6, 2017 23:39:22 GMT
Does it matter who gets the kill? The whole team gets the credit. I'll take any teammate willing to help. Yes, everyone gets the same xp in the end, but do you know how annoying it is to snipe when some big dumb krogan runs in front you blocking your shot? It is extremely annoying. Okay but how many more shots do you get off due to needing less cover because the vanguard having most of the enemies attention? This is such a pessimistic mentally.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 6, 2017 23:41:16 GMT
Yes, everyone gets the same xp in the end, but do you know how annoying it is to snipe when some big dumb krogan runs in front you blocking your shot? It is extremely annoying. Okay but how many more shots do you get off due to needing less cover because the vanguard having most of the enemies attention? This is such a pessimistic mentally. Well, I am pessimistic by nature, so ok? I lost my patience after it has happened so many times which is why I am this way. Even if they are being a distraction for the enemy for me.
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Post by sky on Apr 6, 2017 23:41:56 GMT
God help some of you if this game ever has PvP.
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Post by Saboru on Apr 6, 2017 23:49:44 GMT
God help some of you if this game ever has PvP. God help all of us if this game ever has PvP, can you imagine what the joys of class balancing would bring? It's a bloody nightmare in things where it was designed in from the ground up.
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Post by Nashimura on Apr 6, 2017 23:50:11 GMT
I am "that guy" in this game i guess :/
It's the only way i enjoy this game.... so im gonna keep doing it. Even my avatar is vanguard.... what can i do??
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 7, 2017 0:16:25 GMT
I think people have issues if other players are bothering them just by playing the game effectively. Every multiplayer game out there has some way where another player can annoy you, just don't let it bother you. If I had an interest in the vanguard I wouldn't stop just cuz it annoys another, so long as I'm achieving the goal of winning and watching out for you I think it's perfectly fine.
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 7, 2017 2:04:41 GMT
I think people have issues if other players are bothering them just by playing the game effectively. Every multiplayer game out there has some way where another player can annoy you, just don't let it bother you. If I had an interest in the vanguard I wouldn't stop just cuz it annoys another, so long as I'm achieving the goal of winning and watching out for you I think it's perfectly fine. I pointed out my reasons in the op: -It's no risk, all reward once you have Shock Trooper and Barrier Drain. -Charge/melee spam blocks line of sight for other players...constantly. -Charge has also screwed up my combos a ton of times. It has nothing to do with playing the game effectively. It has everything to do with a class/build that basically trivializes content with virtually no drawbacks. As I mentioned, my Vanguard is level 20. I pretty much played him exclusively to level 20 before I decided to try other classes. Once I tried other classes, I realized how disruptive Charge spamming could be to others. I haven't touched my Vanguard since then. Guess it's just the way I'm wired...I know it annoys me, so I'd rather not annoy others with it.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 7, 2017 2:09:40 GMT
I always found them annoying in MP games even in ME3 MP. They have a bad tendency to block Sniper shots, so I purposely try to screw them over by taking out target before they do when I see them lined up. That isn't screwing up their kill. That's teamwork even if they don't see it that way. I used to do the same... it was better than wasting your shot on a teammate's backside.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 7, 2017 2:10:48 GMT
No, they do not annoy me. I can chose to play one. I appreciate anyone playing anything as long as they move the game along and are friendly. Who took whose kill is silly in coop.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 7, 2017 2:12:08 GMT
I think people have issues if other players are bothering them just by playing the game effectively. Every multiplayer game out there has some way where another player can annoy you, just don't let it bother you. If I had an interest in the vanguard I wouldn't stop just cuz it annoys another, so long as I'm achieving the goal of winning and watching out for you I think it's perfectly fine. I pointed out my reasons in the op: -It's no risk, all reward once you have Shock Trooper and Barrier Drain. -Charge/melee spam blocks line of sight for other players...constantly. -Charge has also screwed up my combos a ton of times. It has nothing to do with playing the game effectively. It has everything to do with a class/build that basically trivializes content with virtually no drawbacks. As I mentioned, my Vanguard is level 20. I pretty much played him exclusively to level 20 before I decided to try other classes. Once I tried other classes, I realized how disruptive Charge spamming could be to others. I haven't touched my Vanguard since then. Guess it's just the way I'm wired...I know it annoys me, so I'd rather not annoy others with it. That has nothing to do with being wired. It's being a teammate and having enough etiquette to realize what is fun for yourself and what is fun for everyone. Somehow that's lost on a lot of players.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 7, 2017 3:55:53 GMT
I think people have issues if other players are bothering them just by playing the game effectively. Every multiplayer game out there has some way where another player can annoy you, just don't let it bother you. If I had an interest in the vanguard I wouldn't stop just cuz it annoys another, so long as I'm achieving the goal of winning and watching out for you I think it's perfectly fine. I pointed out my reasons in the op: -It's no risk, all reward once you have Shock Trooper and Barrier Drain. -Charge/melee spam blocks line of sight for other players...constantly. -Charge has also screwed up my combos a ton of times. It has nothing to do with playing the game effectively. It has everything to do with a class/build that basically trivializes content with virtually no drawbacks. As I mentioned, my Vanguard is level 20. I pretty much played him exclusively to level 20 before I decided to try other classes. Once I tried other classes, I realized how disruptive Charge spamming could be to others. I haven't touched my Vanguard since then. Guess it's just the way I'm wired...I know it annoys me, so I'd rather not annoy others with it. I read the OP. Nothing has changed. you also say the vanguard has no drawback? Even with those abilities I hear people say it can be an issue in CQC, are you also playing the hardest difficulty or are you doing the easiest one? That alone can change a perspective not to mention I myself saw much of ME3s classes as overpowered when I mastered them on plat difficulty. Even solo runs were very much possible, so is the vanguard the only class that acts this way? I imagine Andromeda is no different than ME3 on classes having perfect builds being absolute beast if the right person is using them and if they have it set up properly. It's also a non pvp mode so balance doesn't get focused on near as much where certain setups don't become overpowering. furthermore what one sees as annoying another may not. People brought this exact issue up in ME3 yet bioware and other players didn't see it so, I don't even see it so and I've done both sides to it. Sightlines being tampered with is something to just deal with(and there's various ways to do that besides what a vanguard does as an fyi), there is a whole map after all and everything doesnt need to be forced onto your team choosing to cluster up together where one player starts effecting another.
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Post by Soulforge on Apr 7, 2017 4:13:18 GMT
God help some of you if this game ever has PvP. God help all of us if this game ever has PvP, can you imagine what the joys of class balancing would bring? It's a bloody nightmare in things where it was designed in from the ground up. Yeah, and we really don't need to see biotic effect pvp becoming Benezia 2.0.
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Post by unofficialgreycolor on Apr 7, 2017 4:19:32 GMT
Some people need to update their shit. *Cough zipzap2000 Cough*
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 7, 2017 4:22:46 GMT
Some people need to update their shit. *Cough zipzap2000 Cough* Not sure what your problem is, barely even remember you; but I'm happy to piss you off by existing. *Pours Ryncol*
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