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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 21:01:08 GMT
One of my biggest gripes with romance arcs in BioWare games is that the games are getting bigger, but the romances are not. This is especially true for Mass Effect Andromeda. After 111 hours of playing the game on Insanity and finishing it, I was lucky if the romance arc with Cora was more than 20 minutes. Between all of the flirt options, the random sex scene, and the occasional emails, it felt less like a romance and more like an occasional tease.
So, how would you improve romances in BioWare games going forward?
Personally, I'd just like to see a lot more dialogue with substance that goes beyond simple flirts. I'd like to see more than one sex scene and the sex scenes shouldn't have to initiate right before the final mission. It would also be nice if we could show affection towards our love interest, such as kissing him/her whenever, similar to DAO. ME2 even had the ability to cuddle with your love interest in the captain's quarters if you chose. Little details like that go a long way towards making these romance arcs more believable and more interesting to pursue.
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Post by clonemenace on Apr 7, 2017 21:06:23 GMT
Actually be able to take them out on a date. Could be humorous. Could be romantic. That type of thing could be interesting.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 21:13:33 GMT
Actually be able to take them out on a date. Could be humorous. Could be romantic. That type of thing could be interesting. That could actually be a lot of fun and would certainly be a huge change of pace from all of the exploring and shooting. BioWare could definitely take it a variety of directions depending on who is being romanced. Options like Liam and Peebee could be a lot more humurous, whereas Jaal and Cora may be a bit more cheesy. It would provide a lot more replay value overall.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 7, 2017 21:13:41 GMT
More to do with them outside a sex scene would be great. I thought they would improve on romance in this game but it's still a "get laid before the last story mission and nothing else" side thing.
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Post by BadgerladDK on Apr 7, 2017 21:14:26 GMT
Remove them. (Before everyone gets on my ass, they're so heavily part of ME abd DA by now, I realise it will never happen. But maybe focus less on them in the marketing and have them just be a tiny side story).
I'd love it if the secret IP dropped them completely, though.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 7, 2017 21:16:19 GMT
Remove any that aren't story-involved (such as Alistair, Liara, Morrigan, etc) and stop pandering to the romance fans, whose fanservice wastes development resources (as we're seeing now, with romance requests right up there on the patch priorities list from BioWare).
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 21:16:55 GMT
More to do with them outside a sex scene would be great. I thought they would improve on romance in this game but it's still a "get laid before the last story mission and nothing else" side thing. One of my major complaints has always been that these "relationships" feel more like a one night stand. It would be nice to just see these romances fleshed out more. Remove them. (Before everyone gets on my ass, they're so heavily part of ME abd DA by now, I realise it will never happen. But maybe focus less on them in the marketing and have them just be a tiny side story). I'd love it if the secret IP dropped them completely, though. The secret IP, which according to EA isn't an RPG, is supposed to have a focus on "playing with friends." There may not be any romance in it at all. We'll see when it's revealed at EA Play.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 7, 2017 21:23:33 GMT
Making Suvi romanceable by male Ryder would be a start.
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Post by SKAR on Apr 7, 2017 21:32:10 GMT
more dates and romance scenes in DLC.
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Post by Puberty on Apr 7, 2017 21:36:08 GMT
Remove any that aren't story-involved (such as Alistair, Liara, Morrigan, etc) and stop pandering to the romance fans, whose fanservice wastes development resources (as we're seeing now, with romance requests right up there on the patch priorities list from BioWare). I agree, but I wouldn't completely remove romances that aren't story-related, maybe just lessen them. It's all about quality over quantity. I felt like Bioware was getting better with romances given DA:I. Almost every romance was in-depth with their own story arc, cut-scene, and sex scene. Each romance seemed whole unlike ME:A where the only romance options that were paid attention to were Peebee, Cora, and Jaal's.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 7, 2017 21:39:33 GMT
Remove any that aren't story-involved (such as Alistair, Liara, Morrigan, etc) and stop pandering to the romance fans, whose fanservice wastes development resources (as we're seeing now, with romance requests right up there on the patch priorities list from BioWare). I agree, but I wouldn't completely remove romances that aren't story-related, maybe just lessen them. It's all about quality over quantity. I felt like Bioware was getting better with romances given DA:I. Almost every romance was in-depth with their own story arc, cut-scene, and sex scene. Each romance seemed whole unlike ME:A where the only romance options that were paid attention to were Peebee, Cora, and Jaal's. I wouldn't necessarily completely remove them, either, but I think that it would be a good way to discipline that particularly outspoken (and entitled, even when they get what they want) part of the fanbase. The fact that we're getting post-game romance content just because people want more options for BroRyder when there are actual bugs and issues is obscene.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 21:42:02 GMT
Remove any that aren't story-involved (such as Alistair, Liara, Morrigan, etc) and stop pandering to the romance fans, whose fanservice wastes development resources (as we're seeing now, with romance requests right up there on the patch priorities list from BioWare). I agree, but I wouldn't completely remove romances that aren't story-related, maybe just lessen them. It's all about quality over quantity. I felt like Bioware was getting better with romances given DA:I. Almost every romance was in-depth with their own story arc, cut-scene, and sex scene. Each romance seemed whole unlike ME:A where the only romance options that were paid attention to were Peebee, Cora, and Jaal's. I agree that quality is better than quantity in most cases. It's difficult to offer as many options as possible as some of those options are inevitably going to get the short end of the stick. If BioWare only focused on a few romance character, then more resources could be funneled into them making those arcs substantially longer. Of course, we come back to the issue of having less options and variety.
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Post by ComedicSociopathy on Apr 7, 2017 21:44:03 GMT
LET ME FUCK A ROBOT/AI, BIOWARE!!!
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Post by timebean on Apr 7, 2017 21:45:03 GMT
Ya know, I totally forgot that Jaal and I were romantically involved in this game for a while. He never made any particular comments to me after missions that would remind me of this (even after that one mission, when other folks, such as Lexi, were super worried and upset about what went down). I was just so focused on fetch quests and the like, and he never said much to me about it after his sweet email, that I really did forget.
Then I did that little side mission with him on Havaarl and was like "oh, right...this is happening".
So I guess, If you are gonna have them, then they should have unique responses to the situations that reflect their relationship with you.
Having said that, I think there are MUCH more important issues in the game that should be addressed. I can take or leave romances, particularly in the ME franchise.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 22:01:27 GMT
Ya know, I totally forgot that Jaal and I were romantically involved in this game for a while. He never made any particular comments to me after missions that would remind me of this (even after that one mission, when other folks, such as Lexi, were super worried and upset about what went down). I was just so focused on fetch quests and the like, and he never said much to me about it after his sweet email, that I really did forget. Then I did that little side mission with him on Havaarl and was like "oh, right...this is happening". So I guess, If you are gonna have them, then they should have unique responses to the situations that reflect their relationship with you. Having said that, I think there are MUCH more important issues in the game that should be addressed. I can take or leave romances, particularly in the ME franchise. I think what was most frustrating for me is I was never sure if I was actually in a romance with Cora or not. It really wasn't clear until after the garden scene on Eos that it was actually happening. Then, there was the random sex scene later on that sealed the deal. Up until that point, there was the occasional flirt, but nothing else. I think if there was a lot more contextual dialogue injected into most of the situations in the game where your love interest could say something, that would help. I slightly disagree because I do believe romances are important, in all BioWare games. For me, what makes BioWare games special are the characters. Romances are merely another layer that can further enhance the characters and bolster those relationships you form to new heights. I believe they are worth the effort provided BioWare actually puts in the work to execute them properly.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 7, 2017 22:22:43 GMT
Ya know, I totally forgot that Jaal and I were romantically involved in this game for a while. He never made any particular comments to me after missions that would remind me of this (even after that one mission, when other folks, such as Lexi, were super worried and upset about what went down). I was just so focused on fetch quests and the like, and he never said much to me about it after his sweet email, that I really did forget. Then I did that little side mission with him on Havaarl and was like "oh, right...this is happening". So I guess, If you are gonna have them, then they should have unique responses to the situations that reflect their relationship with you. Having said that, I think there are MUCH more important issues in the game that should be addressed. I can take or leave romances, particularly in the ME franchise. I think what was most frustrating for me is I was never sure if I was actually in a romance with Cora or not. It really wasn't clear until after the garden scene on Eos that it was actually happening. Then, there was the random sex scene later on that sealed the deal. Up until that point, there was the occasional flirt, but nothing else. I think if there was a lot more contextual dialogue injected into most of the situations in the game where your love interest could say something, that would help. I slightly disagree because I do believe romances are important, in all BioWare games. For me, what makes BioWare games special are the characters. Romances are merely another layer that can further enhance the characters and bolster those relationships you form to new heights. I believe they are worth the effort provided BioWare actually puts in the work to execute them properly. I think the 'never being sure' is because the characters shouldn't be locked into romance before the friendship is even established, just because you chose some funny flirty dialogue. It would make Ryder quite an asshole if that somehow made the whole galaxy fall in love with him/her. To set the transformation of it from friendship to romance until after the loyalty missions are complete makes sense to me. (The weird counterpoint is Keri, who I chose flirt options with but also an option that was more or less an explicit "I wouldn't cheat on someone"; despite that, the game has now locked me into a place where I can't finish her quest without starting some kind of cheating relationship with her.) I see people mentioning the 'sex scene' but no one points out that you can choose otherwise (as I did) and get a lovely dialogue scene with her instead. This was something I thought was well handled in ME:A. It was the option I chose in ME1 as well, but I don't remember ME2/3 (with the exception of Jack) or any of the Dragon Age games (with the exception of Morrigan) having the option of romance without sex.
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Post by lurkinganon on Apr 7, 2017 22:27:44 GMT
Alien Options for Gay Scott. Doesn't have to be Jaal.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 22:36:14 GMT
I think what was most frustrating for me is I was never sure if I was actually in a romance with Cora or not. It really wasn't clear until after the garden scene on Eos that it was actually happening. Then, there was the random sex scene later on that sealed the deal. Up until that point, there was the occasional flirt, but nothing else. I think if there was a lot more contextual dialogue injected into most of the situations in the game where your love interest could say something, that would help. I slightly disagree because I do believe romances are important, in all BioWare games. For me, what makes BioWare games special are the characters. Romances are merely another layer that can further enhance the characters and bolster those relationships you form to new heights. I believe they are worth the effort provided BioWare actually puts in the work to execute them properly. I think the 'never being sure' is because the characters shouldn't be locked into romance before the friendship is even established, just because you chose some funny flirty dialogue. It would make Ryder quite an asshole if that somehow made the whole galaxy fall in love with him/her. To set the transformation of it from friendship to romance until after the loyalty missions are complete makes sense to me. (The weird counterpoint is Keri, who I chose flirt options with but also an option that was more or less an explicit "I wouldn't cheat on someone"; despite that, the game has now locked me into a place where I can't finish her quest without starting some kind of cheating relationship with her.) I see people mentioning the 'sex scene' but no one points out that you can choose otherwise (as I did) and get a lovely dialogue scene with her instead. This was something I thought was well handled in ME:A. It was the option I chose in ME1 as well, but I don't remember ME2/3 (with the exception of Jack) or any of the Dragon Age games (with the exception of Morrigan) having the option of romance without sex. I agree the romance shouldn't be instantaneous. Of course, that wasn't my actual complaint either. After 90 hours of playing the game on Insanity, I had no idea if there was even a relationship or not. The biographies for each character weren't helpful either as they were vague and ambiguous. It's a stretch to even call it a "friendship" either, because most of the available dialogue is rather limited and not a lot more is added as the game progresses forward. I disagree that there must be romance, and thus a sex scene, after the loyalty mission. I think that's far too structured and formulaic and does not represent real life relationships at all. Romances bloom at different paces and different speeds for everybody. Some will progress fast. Others will progress slow. I've never been a fan of the "sex before final mission" approach and I still find it ineffective and lazy. I don't have a problem with the sex scene. My issue was the placement and that it just happened randomly without rhyme or reason. I think perhaps you might get an email tipping you off about it, but I was just randomly talking to everybody on the Tempest and then "sex scene initiated." I think these scenes should be interwoven into the story better and they shouldn't all happen at the same time for every character.
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Post by Bann Duncan on Apr 7, 2017 22:46:30 GMT
I think the 'never being sure' is because the characters shouldn't be locked into romance before the friendship is even established, just because you chose some funny flirty dialogue. It would make Ryder quite an asshole if that somehow made the whole galaxy fall in love with him/her. To set the transformation of it from friendship to romance until after the loyalty missions are complete makes sense to me. (The weird counterpoint is Keri, who I chose flirt options with but also an option that was more or less an explicit "I wouldn't cheat on someone"; despite that, the game has now locked me into a place where I can't finish her quest without starting some kind of cheating relationship with her.) I see people mentioning the 'sex scene' but no one points out that you can choose otherwise (as I did) and get a lovely dialogue scene with her instead. This was something I thought was well handled in ME:A. It was the option I chose in ME1 as well, but I don't remember ME2/3 (with the exception of Jack) or any of the Dragon Age games (with the exception of Morrigan) having the option of romance without sex. I agree the romance shouldn't be instantaneous. Of course, that wasn't my actual complaint either. After 90 hours of playing the game on Insanity, I had no idea if there was even a relationship or not. The biographies for each character weren't helpful either as they were vague and ambiguous. It's a stretch to even call it a "friendship" either, because most of the available dialogue is rather limited and not a lot more is added as the game progresses forward. I disagree that there must be romance, and thus a sex scene, after the loyalty mission. I think that's far too structured and formulaic and does not represent real life relationships at all. Romances bloom at different paces and different speeds for everybody. Some will progress fast. Others will progress slow. I've never been a fan of the "sex before final mission" approach and I still find it ineffective and lazy. I don't have a problem with the sex scene. My issue was the placement and that it just happened randomly without rhyme or reason. I think perhaps you might get an email tipping you off about it, but I was just randomly talking to everybody on the Tempest and then "sex scene initiated." I think these scenes should be interwoven into the story better and they shouldn't all happen at the same time for every character. 1) That's probably why you could barely tell. If you're playing for that long, things that would take up relatively more time in a shorter playthrough just wouldn't stick as much. 2) I never said that's what should happen. I was using 'loyalty missions' as shorthand for questing together and actually running through a character's storyline. 3) That's not what happened in my playthrough. Perhaps you were running into bugs?
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Post by Mihura on Apr 7, 2017 22:49:45 GMT
The same system of DA2, everyone has something and all have equal importance. Also the 2/2/2 is the best if they want a diverse cast, still do not get why it is so difficult to do this.
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Post by midnightwolf on Apr 7, 2017 22:52:34 GMT
One of my biggest gripes with romance arcs in BioWare games is that the games are getting bigger, but the romances are not. This is especially true for Mass Effect Andromeda. After 111 hours of playing the game on Insanity and finishing it, I was lucky if the romance arc with Cora was more than 20 minutes. Between all of the flirt options, the random sex scene, and the occasional emails, it felt less like a romance and more like an occasional tease. So, how would you improve romances in BioWare games going forward? Personally, I'd just like to see a lot more dialogue with substance that goes beyond simple flirts. I'd like to see more than one sex scene and the sex scenes shouldn't have to initiate right before the final mission. It would also be nice if we could show affection towards our love interest, such as kissing him/her whenever, similar to DAO. ME2 even had the ability to cuddle with your love interest in the captain's quarters if you chose. Little details like that go a long way towards making these romance arcs more believable and more interesting to pursue. First play through, I romanced Cora. It was good and that Sex scene was damned hot, but after that.......nothing. No more flirting, no kissing. It just stopped. On my NG+, I decided my Scott was bi-sexual and ended up romancing Reyes. Which has no Sex scene but some how felt more.....fullfilling, due to the amount of time him and Scott spent together during his quests. More options to flirt and spend time together outside of questing, would be more than Welcome.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 22:56:26 GMT
I agree the romance shouldn't be instantaneous. Of course, that wasn't my actual complaint either. After 90 hours of playing the game on Insanity, I had no idea if there was even a relationship or not. The biographies for each character weren't helpful either as they were vague and ambiguous. It's a stretch to even call it a "friendship" either, because most of the available dialogue is rather limited and not a lot more is added as the game progresses forward. I disagree that there must be romance, and thus a sex scene, after the loyalty mission. I think that's far too structured and formulaic and does not represent real life relationships at all. Romances bloom at different paces and different speeds for everybody. Some will progress fast. Others will progress slow. I've never been a fan of the "sex before final mission" approach and I still find it ineffective and lazy. I don't have a problem with the sex scene. My issue was the placement and that it just happened randomly without rhyme or reason. I think perhaps you might get an email tipping you off about it, but I was just randomly talking to everybody on the Tempest and then "sex scene initiated." I think these scenes should be interwoven into the story better and they shouldn't all happen at the same time for every character. 1) That's probably why you could barely tell. If you're playing for that long, things that would take up relatively more time in a shorter playthrough just wouldn't stick as much. 2) I never said that's what should happen. I was using 'loyalty missions' as shorthand for questing together and actually running through a character's storyline. 3) That's not what happened in my playthrough. Perhaps you were running into bugs? This is why I believe the romances should be longer. It took me anywhere from 50-60 hours to do a completionist run of ME1, ME2, and ME3 on Insanity. For MEA, it took me 111 hours to do a completionist run on Insanity. Considering the game is arguably twice as long as its predecessors, it would only make sense that the romance arcs are twice as long. I understand your sentiment. I just believe that constraining the romance behind that loyalty mission is incredibly limiting. I don't mind it further enhancing the relationship, but I believe the relationship, itself, should be a separate entity. The idea of needing to gain the loyalty in an arbitrary mission, to start, is a bit unrealistic. It's great for character development (sometimes), but it's limiting for having a growing and free form relationship built. When I say the "sex scene initiated" randomly, I meant I talked to Cora and she stated there were "light issues" in the Pathfinder's Cabin. Now, I assumed the sex scene was incoming after that point. However, my point was the placement of the sex scene just came across as random. It happened sometime after the garden scene and Meridian but right before the final mission. I just felt it was a somewhat awkward implementation.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 7, 2017 23:00:43 GMT
The same system of DA2, everyone has something and all have equal importance. Also the 2/2/2 is the best if they want a diverse cast, still do not get why it is so difficult to do this. I don't understand it either. I'd definitely vote for you to be in charge of romance systems at BioWare for Dragon Age and Mass Effect if I could! First play through, I romanced Cora. It was good and that Sex scene was damned hot, but after that.......nothing. No more flirting, no kissing. It just stopped. On my NG+, I decided my Scott was bi-sexual and ended up romancing Reyes. Which has no Sex scene but some how felt more.....fullfilling, due to the amount of time him and Scott spent together during his quests. More options to flirt and spend time together outside of questing, would be more than Welcome. Agreed. The little that was there was excellent, and even the sex scene was incredibly well-executed. However, it just dropped off the face of the planet after that. Back to "Hey Ryder" and "See you around!" I didn't romance Reyes, but the amount of depth and detail placed into that character was really impressive. I was actually really shocked how well-executed his character was when he plays a relatively minor role in the larger scheme of things. I'm all for more flirts and more quality time with love interests!
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Post by Duke Cameron on Apr 8, 2017 1:16:33 GMT
I'd like the ability to bring up the relationship more with other characters. Like being able to introduce them to your sibling.
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Post by derrame on Apr 8, 2017 1:50:19 GMT
for me, the possibility do "do something" anytime i want, just like the kiss in DA:I and after the second or third flirt with Cora, her pants are replaced by a black thong simple, yet lovely
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