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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 9, 2017 3:09:57 GMT
Wrex was plenty inspired, so was Liara as nerdy as she was and Ashley in particular is criminally overlooked and underrated just because she expresses some immediate bigoted opinions that makes people jump the gun on her.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 9, 2017 3:22:30 GMT
Remove any that aren't story-involved (such as Alistair, Liara, Morrigan, etc) and stop pandering to the romance fans, whose fanservice wastes development resources (as we're seeing now, with romance requests right up there on the patch priorities list from BioWare). I agree, it's starting to get into Fallout 4 territory where love interests are treated as fashion accessories for the PC. We certainly don't need the amount of romances that we have now.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 9, 2017 3:28:07 GMT
Wrex was plenty inspired, so was Liara as nerdy as she was and Ashley in particular is criminally overlooked and underrated just because she expresses some immediate bigoted opinions that makes people jump the gun on her. Wrex was the only halfway decent character that I found to be interesting in ME1. I absolutely could not stand Liara in ME1. Thankfully, her entire character had a huge makeover in ME2. Ash was just a stale character in ME1 with not a lot there, and the Walt Whitman lines were cheesy. I think all of these characters became better over time, but I wouldn't say any of them were stellar at the start. In that regard, I think MEA has a stronger cast of characters. I can only imagine how much better the Pathfinder team will be with another game or two under their belts.
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Post by doch on Apr 9, 2017 3:28:37 GMT
I romanced Peebee with strings attached. All in all, it developed/played out pretty decent. No complaints. Taking her out on a date might work. Although with those raccoon eyes, not sure. Hard to take her seriously with those.
She still owes me for that pod.
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 9, 2017 3:31:17 GMT
Most of the romances only have one tone, specifically tied to that character. The LI behaves pretty much only one way in the romance and your single flirt line usually means you behave only one way for that romance as well...and most of it boils down to essentially being nice, admitting you like them, they get embarrassed and push the conversation for another time. Do this 2-3 times and then culminate in a sex scene in which the LI is typically initiating despite any reservations they might have had AND then they are the ones to do most of the work or set the tone of the sex while my PC just lets them do all the work. I want to be able to passionately grab an LI and say "No, let me." and then be the one to give them pleasure.
Or something like that...I don't know. I'd settle for a bullshiting conversation about nothing related to the story or their background, just a fun unrelated conversation with lots of subtle little flirts and excitement to just be in the same room noticing each other.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 9, 2017 3:34:07 GMT
Wrex was plenty inspired, so was Liara as nerdy as she was and Ashley in particular is criminally overlooked and underrated just because she expresses some immediate bigoted opinions that makes people jump the gun on her. Wrex was the only halfway decent character that I found to be interesting in ME1. I absolutely could not stand Liara in ME1. Thankfully, her entire character had a huge makeover in ME2. Ash was just a stale character in ME1 with not a lot there, and the Walt Whitman lines were cheesy. I think all of these characters became better over time, but I wouldn't say any of them were stellar at the start. In that regard, I think MEA has a stronger cast of characters. I can only imagine how much better the Pathfinder team will be with another game or two under their belts. That's not the way I would describe her
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 3:36:09 GMT
More time with your LI, like sneaking kisses in DAI would be nice. Jaal is so damn romantic, it's worth it! The kissing thing was cool but honestly, they should add more then just that. Like someone said going on dates would be nice. Having dinner or have romance scens outside of just banging them that one time. Like Cora has a thing for flowers so maybe you can spend time in one on Aya or do something involving the remnant with Peebee. We are even getting new outfits for our romances, so I would say add more content, but at this point that might only be in a DLC.
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Post by doch on Apr 9, 2017 3:47:15 GMT
Wrex was the only halfway decent character that I found to be interesting in ME1. I absolutely could not stand Liara in ME1. Thankfully, her entire character had a huge makeover in ME2. Ash was just a stale character in ME1 with not a lot there, and the Walt Whitman lines were cheesy. I think all of these characters became better over time, but I wouldn't say any of them were stellar at the start. In that regard, I think MEA has a stronger cast of characters. I can only imagine how much better the Pathfinder team will be with another game or two under their belts. That's not the way I would describe her Ashley had more depth than any ME1 character. I was legitimately torn between her and Liara. Though it was easy for my FemShep. She makes Andromeda characters look like they were pulled from the TBBT.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 9, 2017 3:52:40 GMT
That's not the way I would describe her Agree to disagree. I didn't like Ash in ME1 and her distrust of Shepard in ME2 and ME3 over Cerberus was constant and irritating. I thought Miranda, as far as a romance is concerned, was a far more interesting character with a lot more layers. Yes, there was more to Miranda than just her ass.
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Post by Andrew Lucas on Apr 9, 2017 3:53:33 GMT
This is like asking a prisoner of he wants to get out of jail, except you're asking this romance obsessed fandom.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 9, 2017 4:27:17 GMT
The voice acting for Ashley is just pure cringe. Not that Kaidan is much better. Both bore you to tears.
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Post by jf8350143 on Apr 9, 2017 7:06:57 GMT
Make it like DA:I, you can do something with you LI whenever you want(ie,kissing), and they will change how they call you when you are in a relationship. Give each character a extra romance exclusive mission instead of just a cut scene.
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Post by helios969 on Apr 9, 2017 9:38:08 GMT
What I've experienced (Cora and Suvi) I liked, but really I think Bio needs to de-emphasize romances. I would have much preferred half the romance options with more put into the main plot. I really enjoyed the story overall, but felt the Archon's role should have been expanded...maybe more on just how far off the reservation he's gone from the Kett empire...as well as deeper insight into the Remnant founders. This could have been accomplished with a DA2-like system, but for some reason much of the fanbase needs a character to be explicitly straight/bi/gay in order to validate their lifestyle choice(s). I think the better question is whether Bio should continue listening to their biopolar fanbase, which is completely divided on what makes a great game. If as Lady Insanity says, MEA is a hot, beautiful mess, it's because Bio is trying to placate too many competing opinions.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 9, 2017 9:54:19 GMT
I'd rather see devs not include romances at all and spend that time on something else. I've got plenty of romance in my real life and would rather RP other aspects in a game. That's just my preference though, I'm not judging others.
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Post by OneWomanArmy on Apr 9, 2017 10:29:29 GMT
As a hetero female I'd have liked more than just one human male relationship option vs one alien male relationship option. Maybe because I really disliked Liam as a character and Jaal is just gross (sorry dude it had to be said!) but I found it very lacklustre! This so much this!! I just want Bioware to make the romances equal for once, just once God dammittt.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 9, 2017 11:46:20 GMT
It'd be nice if there was a way to have branching romances. I like that you can decide to not have sex with Jaal (and Cora as well, I believe?) and it's not counted as a rejection, just because it's at least some variety and gives the romance itself some replayability. Ryder doesn't have the most dazzling personality (no dramatic paragon/renegade options), but at least maybe there could be some conversation options or even scenes you only get by poking at an LI emotionally that prevent you from seeing others you'd see when going at it logically, whatever. Or different actions to take - become the active seduceror let the LI come to you in the later scenes. Side-mission pacing in open world games is always a drag, though, I have no idea how to really fix that. I do agree the little kiss options in Dragon Age added some flavour, even if it is just small.
Also, at least one squadmate for any orientation, but that has been said a lot now, just because the squadmates have more chances to interject in the ongoing plots. I remember romanced Kaidan doing this once in ME3 when Shepard found out he was possibly a clone and he said something encouraging. This kind of thing really helps to make the romances feel less like a mini-game that happens outside of the story. Generally quality > quantity. I really don't think we need these Keri two-minute-romances ferried away on some planets (Reyes, Suvi and Gil are sort of on the cusp of that, I either think they should have more work put into them or be scrapped, even if I like Reyes and Suvi). I didn't even mind the DA:O/DA2 model, where only squadmates were romances.
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Post by Giant Ambush Beetle on Apr 9, 2017 11:55:25 GMT
Do you want free candy? Y/N
Seriously, what kind of poll is that? The question should rather be: do you want resources diverted from improving side quests and game play to improving romances?
Something like that, its not like you get Biowares focus on romances and not having other things neglected in the process. That fact makes it a much harder decision.
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 9, 2017 12:37:55 GMT
So, here is just my 2 cents. I have always been firmly opposed to playersexual characters, aka everyone is bi. Why am I opposed to this? Because I believe that aspect of a person helps define who they are, because I want the characters to be a group of individuals, not simply a collection of dolls for the player to play with based upon their whims. It has nothing to do with my own personal lifestyle choices. That said, far too much emphasis is indeed placed upon romances in Biowares games, and it is the fault of the fanbase let's just be honest. Everyone wants their own personal kink/fetish/orientation/whatever represented, in every single game. Far too much time and resources are devoted to entirely optional side content, why? because this fanbase would go ape shit nuclear if Bioware didn't do so. All the comments I see here basically sound like content you find in Japanese Dating Simulators. Not saying that is a bad thing, but I am pointing out the obvious fact, dating and romance is not the damn point of these games.
At the end of the day, I would rather Bioware improve the actually critical and more important functions of the game. However, to speak to this topic in particular, I say make 3 Romance Options, period. 1 straight, 1 gay, 1 bi. If you don't like you're option? Oh well, don't do it. Put all their "romance budget" into just those 3, to make them as in depth and meaningful as possible.
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Post by bekkael on Apr 9, 2017 12:40:25 GMT
Get rid of orientation entirely, playersexual all the way. 2 male, 2 female. DA2 did this well, and all 4 romances were interesting and well done.
Add repeatable kiss scenes, like DAO and DAI. A date post-sex would be nice.
Make additional romance content DLC, that way those that want more can have it, but the extra cost is covered.
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Post by SilentK on Apr 9, 2017 13:23:23 GMT
As someone who finds the romances in BioWare games very important I will always want more This time I feel very lucky with the romances. I really like both Liam and Jaal. Vetra will get a Ryder for sure. PB and Suvi will probably be romanced as well so my playing card is full for the next couple of months. I thought that the Leviathan-dlc for ME3 was really good. Little extra scene with the LI before going down under water with the mech. Little things like that really makes me happy and makes me more interested in seeing it again with another Ryder and a new LI. Contrast that with Jaal not reacting when Sara had a very serious incident on the Archon's ship. Maybe it is different if the romance is locked in by then, at that point they were very very flirty but I had not finished his loyalty quest so perhaps that was it. So improvement for me would be: - Little things here and there out in the fields - Possibility to do something fun with your LI. Think Samantha Traynor in ME3 Citadel dlc. Seeing her enjoying her hobby was great! - Loved going back to Cullen for a kiss when playing DA:I. It doesn't always have to be a big scene, sometimes just little touches to remind you that "yes, your Rider still has a LI even if you haven't had a scene for a while". So far I am quite happy, wish there were more scenes with Liam but I am glad that he has been there for the entire game. Now I am keeping my fingers crossed for more content in dlc going forward.
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Post by brandoftime on Apr 9, 2017 15:03:44 GMT
As someone who finds the romances in BioWare games very important I will always want more It doesn't always have to be a big scene, sometimes just little touches to remind you that "yes, your Rider still has a LI even if you haven't had a scene for a while". So far I am quite happy, wish there were more scenes with Liam but I am glad that he has been there for the entire game. Now I am keeping my fingers crossed for more content in dlc going forward. Yes, it's the little things. Citadel DLC had that with the LI. The small scenes that were different when calling them to visit the apartment. Maybe there's hope they will add a few things in the future for MEA. I like DAI how that was handled, Cassandra and Cullen had repeatable scenes. What was weird was in post game, everyone went mute, just a 'Hi' including romances. So, like you said, it's the little things.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 9, 2017 15:36:20 GMT
If I vote yes, how much more wordcount am I voting to be pulled out of other areas of the game and thrown into the romances.?
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 9, 2017 15:52:33 GMT
If I vote yes, how much more wordcount am I voting to be pulled out of other areas of the game and thrown into the romances.? Given how this community often seems to think Romances are the most important aspect of the game? probably at least half of it.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 9, 2017 16:16:15 GMT
Fire Mac Walters and they will improve We wouldn't have Garrus without Mac though... He also created Aria. It's a mixed bag! Implementing "romances" one needs inspiring squadmates. All absent in this game. The quality writing in this game compared to MET of squadmates is so poor one wonders if it's written by Bioware. For me, this aspect is so broken it takes away the immersion MET gave in spades. Did you play ME1? I wouldn't exactly call any of the squadmates in that game "inspiring." It wasn't until ME2 that I began to like any of them. I don't believe BioWare has done any worse creating new companions than they did in ME1. Or maybe cut down on the number. 3-6 is enough when you get beyond that it becomes hard to keep up. Also I would like to have the option to say if my character is straight, bisexual, or gay right at the start of the game so that way if I'm playing as a female Ryder who is a lesbian I don't get flirt dialogue options for Liam, Jaal, Reyes, and male LIs that she wouldn't be interested in and a straight male Ryder wouldn't get any flirt dialogue options for Gil and Reyes either. I think less options would certainly increase overall quality and content, hopefully. The sexual orientation toggle is an interesting idea. I will say it's rather frustrating to flirt with someone, like Suvi, and she rejects you immediately. Why even have flirt options for characters who have zero interest in you? A similar thing was the case with Sera in DAI, where there were actually a lot of flirt options for the male Inquisitor. It's not until the end of her arc where she flat out rejects your advances. I'm talking about giving players an option during the character creation that allows you pick the sexuality of your character. So if you play as a lesbian and Liam tries to flirt with you can tell him, that your character is not into men and vice versa. Also having characters that are homosexual tell you that they are homosexual when you try to flirt with them like Sera and Dorian in DA:I and Gil in ME:A I don't know if Suvi ever tells Scott she's a lesbian or not or just have them make a reference that they're gay like Cortez says he had a husband when you meet him and ask him about his family in ME3.
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Post by kaind on Apr 9, 2017 16:19:58 GMT
One of my biggest gripes with romances in Andromeda is that there was no SaraxScott romance. Bioware keeps teasing me since DA2. Not cool.
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