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Post by close2myheart on Jul 28, 2017 11:35:16 GMT
Awsome so we're all on the same page then
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Post by Catilina on Jul 28, 2017 11:38:24 GMT
I agree on you about Cullen having a strong moral compass. But for the 'honorable' part of him prior DAI for most of the players out there (the general feeling I got anyway) usually depends largely on what stance the gamer hold in the old and stale Mage vs Templar thing (which quite frankly, irks me to no end) Mostly I found those who paints him in a negative light tends to have a strong dislike towards the Order and Chantry and whatever it entails. So that dislike sorta got stiched closely to our Commander. Because prior DAI he dutifully follows the rules and ideals just as espected from someone who lives a life of dedication to the Order. "Templars and Chantry are bloody oppressors and murderers!!" Well, I'm sure by now you've heard about just how fabulous the Evanuris were and how justly the Magisters treats their slaves Never picked sides on either team, tbh. Both parties have their extremist hot heads [as demonstrated in Hinterlands] and those who just wanted to live honorable lives [Theirinfal and Red Cliffe] Cullen lets Hawke walk away with either the pro-mage or pro-templar ending. By the end he understands and has defied Meredith and not blindly following her orders which is risky personally for him. If wasn't internally strong he wouldn't have helped Kieran and Samson, fought against Meredith, the other Templars wouldn't have followed him in the ending. From what happened with him in the Ferelden circle he could have easily gone the Meredith route and cross the board condemn all mages for the actions of one. He didn't. He did work within the corrupt Templar system which he put his entire life into and still had the courage to leave after DA2. And you can see the change in him. Following orders doesn't always mean you agree. Crossing the line as what Alric did is dishonorable to say the least, which Cullen never did. Nah, I personally dislike the Chantry but hold Cullen in a positive light same as Cassandra. My problem is, that, perhaps he did not commits similar crimes, than Meredith or Otto Alric, but he knew about these crimes. Perhaps he doesn't approve that, but was able to turn a blind eye to these crimes. Against the Chanty's law.
Probably due of that he disappointed in the Order. It was not far from him to question Meredith, but his trauma (his "Harrowing") prevented him from doing something against that sooner. And Meredith's madness helped him a lot to sober up. I can understand him, but I even have some ambivalent feeling.
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Post by close2myheart on Jul 28, 2017 11:52:10 GMT
Ahahaha.. omg. The only one thing what I dont like about Cullen is that he sorta blocks my will to try other romances in the game Kudos to whomever design him. I wonder if we'd get to hear on how he's doing in DA4? Wether Married / together with his IQ or being single and happy with his mabari
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Post by close2myheart on Jul 28, 2017 11:59:07 GMT
Hey dustyelf, how do you post an image here? .. and pls be gentle with the tutorial XD
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Post by Catilina on Jul 28, 2017 12:02:54 GMT
Hey dustyelf, how do you post an image here? .. and pls be gentle with the tutorial XD "insert image" icon, and paste into the place the image adress. (You need an imagehost page, where you can upload your screenshot, if you want to post your own shots.)
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Post by close2myheart on Jul 28, 2017 23:39:58 GMT
Alrighty, thank you both
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Post by phoray on Jul 30, 2017 2:17:15 GMT
AS bent against mages as he seems to be in DA2, he doesnt arrest Hawke for having Bethany. The way he says it sounds like he knows he's being soft- perhaps softer than Meredith would be. he's such a little gushy nugget under all that trauma.
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Post by cmoe on Aug 1, 2017 1:40:09 GMT
Sorry if this is a repeat but modern AU Cullen. Oh my! Source
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 3, 2017 18:39:35 GMT
My favourite Cullen moment is his plan to launch an armed raid on Val Royeaux to bust Blackwall out of jail.
Cullen, I think you need to get more sleep!
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Post by Catilina on Aug 3, 2017 21:46:47 GMT
This is my favorite Cullen moment:
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Post by boxofscreaming on Aug 4, 2017 17:45:59 GMT
This is my favorite Cullen moment: My least favourite was him taking Bethany away.
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Post by Catilina on Aug 4, 2017 17:50:04 GMT
This is my favorite Cullen moment: My least favourite was him taking Bethany away. Ofc!
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Post by close2myheart on Aug 6, 2017 0:10:34 GMT
You could say that one of my favourite moment was when Cullen gets into a fight with Chancelor Roderick, hell bent into dragging my Lavellan to Val Royeaux and have her hanged from the start.
You're a Dalish Elf, alone, in the heart of human organization steeped in Chantry belief. Some are so adamant that you are the cause of their current troubles, some thinks you're their prophet's messanger (a religion you knew next to nothing about save for few ugly details) and both sides are equally crazy.
Sorta feel sorry for her, imagining how frightened she must've felt at that moment. And to have someone who has enough power and conviction to defend her adamantly really meant the world for her. Cullen made her feel less afraid.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 6, 2017 22:31:28 GMT
One of my favourite moments with Cullen, is in Origins, when I was playing the Mage Origin, for the first time, my Amell said something that made Cullen run away down the hallway.
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Post by morir_a_solas on Aug 10, 2017 3:55:05 GMT
Hey guys! I saw something on YouTube today that left me thinking:
Cullen was my best bud so I was skeptical at first but then I found some truth in it: itbreally would have been awesome to see the transition from fearing and fighting mages to be open minded about them.
I mean by the end of DA2 he seemed disappointed with the Templars but he still believed in the ideals of the order
To be fair I don't really agree with anything else, DA is about magic vs religion and Cullen was religion, and he's the same guy even after leaving the templars he was still compassionate, faithful, with strong morals and all that so it's not a stretch of character for him to remain a good guy but
When did he become so ok with magic specifically?
(Maybe it's explained in the mage romance? I never play mages just because I find the combat too difficult)
but it would have been pretty great to see what happened that made him go from thinking magic is dangerous to being super cool with magic right after he saw
1-a terrorist mage blow up the chantry and kill tons of ppl,
2-the most exemplary mage (Orsino) turn into an abomination and try to murder tons of ppl and
3-walk out of it to find some ancient mage ripped a hole in the sky and killed the divine
And now I can't help myself and want to know what happened!
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Post by close2myheart on Aug 10, 2017 5:17:50 GMT
He is still Andrastrian, that is for certain and held firm on his belief. But he sorta lost his trust in the Chantry (politics and all) when things fell apart in Kirkwall. The First Enchanter became an abomination and the Knight Commander became something equally disturbing too. And I think this is where he went from devout into suddenly taking the middle ground. Another example is Cassandra. She certainly is the devout of devouts you wont survive the initiation of being a Seeker if your faith isn't true, after all. But she manages to tread that fine line and held no negative prejudice against mages. Heck, her lover Regalyan is a mage who died at the Conclave anyways. As to why we don't see those changes in-game? word budget, I guess And the sky is tore open (yes, by a mage ) anyone with enough brain cells would set aside their differences and try to work together to patch that hole. Besides, Cullen is the military advisor. No matter the numbers you command, a disunited army is a useless army. And you cannot cultivate unity and trust if the Commander already has a set of negative prejudice aimed at a certain group amongst his troops. The same animosity that Chancelor Roderick tries to pull at camp when you just arrive from Val Royeaux. And this is just purely my opinion of course, but to me Thedas is mostly about those in power abusing their authority. Once upon a time, mages rule and they sucked. And then the mundanes rule and they sucked too And interesting things happen in between, thus giving rise to the special snowflakes pc we all love and adore that's my view of Thedas in a nutshell
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Post by LFS on Aug 10, 2017 12:50:01 GMT
Not watched the video, but I wouldn't say Cullen ever is exactly "super cool" with mages/magic in Inquisition, either. In Haven, he frequently expresses a distrust of having them around, explicitly argues against recruiting them and is pretty pissy if you offer them a full alliance because of the likelihood of there being abominations in their midst and how they don't have enough Templars in the ranks to contain them, etc. I think that, like close2myheart says, he is just willing/able to put aside his distrust and give them a chance because the stakes are bigger than his own discomfort. That, along with the obvious abuses and various bureaucratic failures of the Chantry that led to his disillusionment with the Order--he's seen first hand what hate begets. He is keenly aware of how easily he could have become a Meredith- or Samson-like figure had he continued on the path he was on. I never really got the impression he was all "I f'ing love mages, wooo!!", but was more "live and let live--just preferably not in my vicinity", which I think is pretty reasonable, and that personal evolution is one of the reasons I enjoy him so much as a character.
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Post by close2myheart on Aug 10, 2017 13:38:35 GMT
Trololololll... I think he HAS come a long way. He even tolerated Cole XD He did vote on against having Cole around (reasonable, given past experience of being tortured by spirits-turned-demon) but he was able to work his issues out. And I respect him doing so without adding extra bagage to the IQ
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Post by Iddy on Aug 10, 2017 14:58:59 GMT
Do you think that whole concern with what people will think of a relationship between the Inquisitor and her commander is justified?
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Post by lucidae on Aug 12, 2017 15:07:33 GMT
Do you think that whole concern with what people will think of a relationship between the Inquisitor and her commander is justified? Yes. It is quite the gossip.
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Post by Iddy on Aug 14, 2017 11:08:19 GMT
Do you think that whole concern with what people will think of a relationship between the Inquisitor and her commander is justified? Yes. It is quite the gossip. Yeah, but does it really matter?
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Post by lucidae on Aug 14, 2017 15:14:28 GMT
Yes. It is quite the gossip. Yeah, but does it really matter? I think so because both Cullen and the inquisitor are in positions of power. Both of them take on a sort of ephemeral quality to those who follow them, but a "scandal" can really knock them down. And if the inquisitor is a mage, elf, or both it can be even worse. I think the gossip would negatively impact Cullen the most in regards to maintaining respect and order from his troops. He is a former templar and being in a relationship with a mage was always taboo. And then the relationship of an elf and human has always been scandalous too, otherwise half elves wouldn't be in such terrible positions in society. But if "illegitimate" relationships weren't something that could really impact people's lives then people in our real world wouldn't have had such terrible consequences for having them.
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Post by close2myheart on Aug 14, 2017 16:16:24 GMT
I guess that depends on how you swing it. Because no matter who the Inquisitor's chosen SO, gossip will spread and it will always create a problem : 1. IB = former Ben Hassrath (or is he?) 2. Rainier = warden pretender (and murderer of Calier family) 3. Dorian = Imperium Magister! (Maleficarum and the lot of them) 4. Sera = The anti noble (Inquisitor's marrying a lowly peasant now?) As for Cassandra, Josephine and Cullen, I'd tend to think that the big wigs (or nobles) felt uncomfortable because all three of them are people who controls a big chunk of power. Cas being the Right Hand and the one who formally forms the Inquisition. Josie controls favours, agreements and ambassadors who can screw you good in the political arena (I alwas picture her as a courtroom shark that mops the floor using the tears of her enemy and doing so with class and without breaking a sweat) And Cullen because he controls the inquisition troops that has flatten their enemies good in both Adamant and the Arbor Wilds. And part of his disdain on going to Halamshiral again was because of the many marriage proposals coming from the noble houses. If the Inquisitor is in a personal relationship with either these 3, the nobility might fear that s/he will carry too much power in her/his already powerful hands (the main reason why they're being antsy during Tresspasser) The nobles no longer see the Inquisition as a neutral organization anymore, but it's Lavellan's / Trevelyan's / Cadash's / Adaar's private army that can steer the course of a nation. When even the Empress/Emperor of Orlais refuses to take a direct stance against the IQ, you can bet the rest of the court are damn frightened by your pressence. As for Cullen losing respect from his troops, somehow I don't see it happening. Because he's been very clear and they all know where he stands and how he feels regarding the Order. 1. It seems like he has an alergic reaction if being addressed by his former title ( "That is NOT my title and we're NOT Templars any more!" When a Templar dude called him Knight Captain/Commander) 2. If you went the CoTJ route then you'd notice that the sane Templars you recruited couldn't care less of your race/mage/mundane background. Yes, they're still fanatics. But they're fanatical to YOU. One of them even mentions that if Andraste has chosen you to be the Herald, then she is not mistaken in her choice. Some may still be sceptical and distrustfull towards mages. Just not to you. Pretty much what's going on with the IQ+1 is basically the same thing that happened to Ameridan and his Tellana. People gossip. Some even wanted him to remain celibate for some odd reason which he flatly refused. Even historian started to treat it in a hush-hush manner. Almost like saying that Ameridan is too badass for romance and that falling in love is taboo (my impression anyway ) And I kinda like the idea of Cullen proposing the IQ and getting married before the Exalted Council, because I'm sure he's much aware of what the nobility thinks but he sorta just went " 'F you! I don't care what you think and I'm gonna marry her anyway"
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Post by phoray on Aug 17, 2017 0:12:45 GMT
They are 2 parts of the same powerful organization. I don't think the principal of my high school was more powerful for marrying the vice principal
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Post by close2myheart on Aug 17, 2017 2:07:33 GMT
Hmn.. I'm sorta not sure how to put my finger on this (or to articulate it better) but I'll try to give it a shot To me it sorta reminds me of some company policy that does not allow it's employee to get married with someone within the office even if they're from different depertment. (Like what happens to a friend of mine) Usually the main reason for that policy is that the company is trying to prevent bias within their organizational structure. I guess that is what I'm seeing in DAI more or less. In an organization that answers to no one, I guess them nobles sees it as a threat if either these 3 gets too close to the IQ. They should give unbiased and sound advice and hopefully have enough influence to curb the IQ's desire to just do what ever the heck s/he wants that could very be in direct confrontation of their personal or collective interest. In short, they're not too keen on the advisors agreeing on everything that the IQ decides to do. Or no one to tell the IQ "No, you can't do that".
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