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Post by sincro on Apr 11, 2017 20:35:55 GMT
All squad-mates always left in-between games, there is no reason that ME:A will handle it differently in a sequel. I don´t doubt the fixed, non-romanceable crew, that is not affected much by the player (like Joker, Chakwas, EDI in the OT) , will return as crew and that the squad will return as NPCs and temporary companions. Possibly one or at most two fan-favourites/writer´s pets will join as permanent squad-members late in the game, but most will leave and be absent for a large part of the game (safe for phone calls and emails). Assuming anything else, is given the past games, delusion. Accounting for all their possible states simply ties up too many resources and makes the entry for new players hard. It also limits the options to present new viewpoints to the players which is most effectively done using squad-members. If you think that, you are of course entitled to your opinion, but doing that (the part of your quote I bolded) will in fact be a major departure from the previous ME titles. Of the two previous ME games which followed a prior ME game, both had at least 1 prior squadmate you could could add to your party on the very first mission after you were free to move about as you liked. Garrus in both ME 2 and 3. ME 3 took it up a notch by also putting in Liara as a squadmate before you had freedom of movement. ME2 had a squadmate cameo extremely early (Tali) who became a squadmate later. Her first appearance in 3 really does come fairly late in the game, probably because they already had the Virmire survivor cameo, plus the Liara addition. Given those data points, I think it is highly unlikely they will do anything other then have at least 1 of the current squad usable as a squadmate within the first few missions of any follow-on game, with a very high likelihood of a cameo from another squadmate which eventually turns into a permanent position toward the end of the game. There aren't enough data points to give good clues about who will return, but if I was a betting man I'd say Jaal will be the returning member, and Peabee will make a cameo, and join later. One male, and one not, just like prior games.
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 11, 2017 20:36:56 GMT
Drack dies of old age. Both his writers are no longer working at BioWare and it's going to show. Just kill him.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 20:36:59 GMT
Easy. All the females are forced to become baby machines, so pregnant and of no use. All the males are off to buy cigarettes.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 11, 2017 21:34:16 GMT
As I've said in other threads I'm not particularly attached to Ryder nor the crew so I personally wouldn't be terribly pained to see them off but for better or worse this is the group BW chose to introduce us to Andromeda. Now the only question is can BW writers actually do real character development over several games/chapters and keep it interesting or are they one hit wonders that only know how to do character introductions before they get bored and move on?
Guess we'll find out...
If for nothing else I'd be glad to see the Ryder's gone simply so that they don't have to bring back the terrible Sara face presets. That alone would be enough reason for me to be glad to see them gone.
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Post by tantumdicverbo on Apr 11, 2017 21:43:30 GMT
Nuke them from orbit. It's the only way to be sure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 11, 2017 21:45:11 GMT
If Ryder returns than so should all the squadmates.
One of the mistakes Bioware made with ME2 was having Shepard transition from the Alliance to Cerberus, and get issued a nearly entirely new set of companions. The created problems with the third game, where there were now too many companions to fully account for, resulting in disappointing cameos for most of those who didn't make the ME3 squad. If ME:A is the start of a trilogy and the middle chapter goes the same route as ME2, you're going to have the same problem in the third and final game.
If the devs are determined to give us an entirely new set of companions, then don't keep Ryder either. There's no point keeping the same protagonist if the characters that matter most to that protagonist are going to be missing in the sequel.
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Post by rasande on Apr 11, 2017 22:07:15 GMT
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Post by themikefest on Apr 11, 2017 22:27:58 GMT
One of the mistakes Bioware made with ME2 was having Shepard transition from the Alliance to Cerberus, My Shepard had no problem working with Cerberus. **** the Alliance. They made no effort to confirm Shepard's death. Why should my Shepard care about them. I agree, but I would not have the turian and quarian on the roster in ME3. Both would have cameos like the others My problem was the number of squadmates. Why have 12 when only 8 is needed to complete the mission with everyone surviving? If there's a sequal starring Ryder, I can see Drack not returning or at least something happens early in the game that prevents him from continuing as a squadmate.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 11, 2017 22:43:35 GMT
If you want to get rid of Drack replace him with another Krogan. That was something I did miss in ME 3. I never want to go kroganless again.
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Post by Tetrabytes101 on Apr 12, 2017 0:19:41 GMT
the jardaans and the protheans come and mind wipe them out haha
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 12, 2017 0:32:52 GMT
How about don't get rid of any of them? I'd rather see the same group of characters build over multiple games instead of replacing them with newcomers. Garrus and Tali became fan favorites because they grew substantially over the entire trilogy.
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Post by Pounce de León on Apr 12, 2017 0:35:53 GMT
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 12, 2017 0:47:36 GMT
you get to airlick his ass This completely changes the tone I think you were going for. Does it? No, wait it does.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 12, 2017 1:17:16 GMT
Hopefully they do better than in ME2 where they removed your 2 crappy humans and gave you 2 different crappy humans. And than ME3 where they gave you back one of the old crappy humans plus 1 new crappy human. How about we start MEA2 with a pair of interesting aliens instead ?
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 12, 2017 1:24:45 GMT
Hopefully they do better than in ME2 where they removed your 2 crappy humans and gave you 2 different crappy humans. And than ME3 where they gave you back one of the old crappy humans plus 1 new crappy human. How about we start MEA2 with a pair of interesting aliens instead ? There are always going to be at least one male human squadmate and one female human squadmate for the purposes of romance. Some players aren't interested in romancing aliens, so BioWare is always going to make that concession.
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Post by faelandaea on Apr 12, 2017 1:29:29 GMT
Here's an idea ... all of them stay on my ship except Liam. He dies via airlock.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 12, 2017 1:30:32 GMT
I think Drack should die for the protagonist's angst, too. Players have already gotten attached to him, and they've set him up as at the end of his days anyways. Besides, they already killed off one paternal figure for Ryder, so they might as well kill off another.
As for the rest, I think they're better off keeping most of them on, especially Vetra. Honestly though, the only squadmates I found interesting were Vetra and Peebee, so I wouldn't mind that much other squadmates have some reason they can't be a squadmate in a hypothetical sequel. Cora could get promoted to a position on the Nexus or helping out the asari pathfinder in some way, for example. Jaal could be doing something for his people. Liam could be... well, I don't have any good reason for him to leave, so he can stay.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 12, 2017 1:32:40 GMT
Hopefully they do better than in ME2 where they removed your 2 crappy humans and gave you 2 different crappy humans. And than ME3 where they gave you back one of the old crappy humans plus 1 new crappy human. How about we start MEA2 with a pair of interesting aliens instead ? There are always going to be at least one male human squadmate and one female human squadmate for the purposes of romance. Some players aren't interested in romancing aliens, so BioWare is always going to make that concession. I'd be fine with 2 interesting humans.
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Post by downtown on Apr 12, 2017 1:48:02 GMT
It's a tricky situation, because one of the cool things about the OT was being able to follow these characters throughout all 3 games and see their progression in each. In ME2, we got to keep Garrus and Tali in our squad, but we lost the rest. In general, I got the sense that people were fine with Wrex in ME2, but were fairly unsatisfied with how Liara and Ashley/Kaiden were presented and I think this mainly comes down to writing. Wrex felt right. When you saw him it was this triumphant "yeah, that's MY badass friend, step aside" moment. I think a lot of people felt confused and empty after meeting Ashley/Kaiden and Liara. Not saying they should have had the same reaction to Shepard as Wrex did, but I don't think the writing allowed for either party to give enough explanation to each other, whereas you see Wrex and you don't really need an explanation. You get it.
So it's a fine line between having a satisfying exclusion of a character or having a moment that needs to be fixed by DLC (Shadow Broker). However, I do think some characters should return. They have a pretty clear theme of family running through the game. It's not something that was handled perfectly, but there are obvious moments where you see it's something the team was going for (in the PeeBee meeting or Movie Night scenes). It would feel awfully contrived to have all of your squadmates split as soon as ME:A2 starts. If they want to give us an entirely new party, I'd rather get a new protagonist as well.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 12, 2017 4:40:40 GMT
I think Drack should die for the protagonist's angst, too. Players have already gotten attached to him, and they've set him up as at the end of his days anyways. Besides, they already killed off one paternal figure for Ryder, so they might as well kill off another. As for the rest, I think they're better off keeping most of them on, especially Vetra. Honestly though, the only squadmates I found interesting were Vetra and Peebee, so I wouldn't mind that much other squadmates have some reason they can't be a squadmate in a hypothetical sequel. Cora could get promoted to a position on the Nexus or helping out the asari pathfinder in some way, for example. Jaal could be doing something for his people. Liam could be... well, I don't have any good reason for him to leave, so he can stay. I think any romance option should be forced to return as squadmates. That leaves Drack as the only expendable squadmate, as he wasn't a romance option. Everybody else should return just to avoid the issue many of us had in ME3. I know I personally romanced Miranda, and I was absolutely bummed by how minor her role was in ME3. I also missed out on special scenes with a love interest, such as in the Leviathan DLC, due to Miranda not being a squadmate.
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Post by gaycaravaggio on Apr 12, 2017 4:43:38 GMT
I think Drack should die for the protagonist's angst, too. Players have already gotten attached to him, and they've set him up as at the end of his days anyways. Besides, they already killed off one paternal figure for Ryder, so they might as well kill off another. As for the rest, I think they're better off keeping most of them on, especially Vetra. Honestly though, the only squadmates I found interesting were Vetra and Peebee, so I wouldn't mind that much other squadmates have some reason they can't be a squadmate in a hypothetical sequel. Cora could get promoted to a position on the Nexus or helping out the asari pathfinder in some way, for example. Jaal could be doing something for his people. Liam could be... well, I don't have any good reason for him to leave, so he can stay. I think any romance option should be forced to return as squadmates. That leaves Drack as the only expendable squadmate, as he wasn't a romance option. Everybody else should return just to avoid the issue many of us had in ME3. I know I personally romanced Miranda, and I was absolutely bummed by how minor her role was in ME3. I also missed out on special scenes with a love interest, such as in the Leviathan DLC, due to Miranda not being a squadmate. I think the issue is that they tend to like mixing up the cast a little each game. I can see a lot of them returning as squadmates, and I can see almost none of them returning as squadmates.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 12, 2017 4:44:11 GMT
It's a tricky situation, because one of the cool things about the OT was being able to follow these characters throughout all 3 games and see their progression in each. In ME2, we got to keep Garrus and Tali in our squad, but we lost the rest. In general, I got the sense that people were fine with Wrex in ME2, but were fairly unsatisfied with how Liara and Ashley/Kaiden were presented and I think this mainly comes down to writing. Wrex felt right. When you saw him it was this triumphant "yeah, that's MY badass friend, step aside" moment. I think a lot of people felt confused and empty after meeting Ashley/Kaiden and Liara. Not saying they should have had the same reaction to Shepard as Wrex did, but I don't think the writing allowed for either party to give enough explanation to each other, whereas you see Wrex and you don't really need an explanation. You get it. So it's a fine line between having a satisfying exclusion of a character or having a moment that needs to be fixed by DLC (Shadow Broker). However, I do think some characters should return. They have a pretty clear theme of family running through the game. It's not something that was handled perfectly, but there are obvious moments where you see it's something the team was going for (in the PeeBee meeting or Movie Night scenes). It would feel awfully contrived to have all of your squadmates split as soon as ME:A2 starts. If they want to give us an entirely new party, I'd rather get a new protagonist as well. Agreed. Even in ME1, there was a sense of family aboard the Normandy SR-1. The only way BioWare could justify giving us a cast of mostly new companions was killing most of the old crew, having most of the old companions go their own separate ways, and reviving Shepard two years later. I can't see BioWare retreading that path again, so hopefully most, if not all, companions will be returning in MEA2.
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Post by sageoflife on Apr 12, 2017 4:45:28 GMT
They shouldn't, with the possible exception of Drack.
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Post by Revan Reborn on Apr 12, 2017 4:54:34 GMT
I think any romance option should be forced to return as squadmates. That leaves Drack as the only expendable squadmate, as he wasn't a romance option. Everybody else should return just to avoid the issue many of us had in ME3. I know I personally romanced Miranda, and I was absolutely bummed by how minor her role was in ME3. I also missed out on special scenes with a love interest, such as in the Leviathan DLC, due to Miranda not being a squadmate. I think the issue is that they tend to like mixing up the cast a little each game. I can see a lot of them returning as squadmates, and I can see almost none of them returning as squadmates. While that was certainly true in ME2, I think BioWare also realized that was a bit of a mistake for ME3 from a design standpoint. Not that I'm against new squadmates, but I'd just rather BioWare focus on the ones we have and build them over multiple games. It's more or less universally agreed that Garrus, Tali, and Liara were the most popular squadmates from the original trilogy. Garrus and Tali were squadmates in all three games, while Liara was a squadmate in two and had a major DLC in ME2. Without a doubt, it seems the more character development these squadmates receive, the better off they generally are. For the sake of everybody's favorite squadmates, I just think we would be better off if BioWare retained at least all of the love interests. Drack's story is largely complete and he can be replaced. Replacing anybody else could potentially be a mistake and create the same problems we had in the last trilogy.
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Post by Kabraxal on Apr 12, 2017 4:54:55 GMT
I suppose you are right, just like in Empire Strikes Back how Han and Leia along with Chewie and the droids all left for some far off adventure and were never seen or heard from again. Or in the Lord of the Rings how Aragon and Legolas and Gimli all just disappeared without a trace halfway through. I totally see it now. I'm going to go out on a limb and say more people agree with me and don't care for a stagnant game with no imagination. Considering one of the biggest criticisms against the trilogy was how the squad changed too much... I think you would find yourself in the minority.
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