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Post by warrior on Apr 12, 2017 15:22:49 GMT
I think it's a chicken/egg thing: do people not like the characters bc they are black, or because BioW isn't writing good black characters? A little of column A (some players are definitely racist) and a little of column B. fwiw I like Vivienne bc she is a badass, and I don't like Jacob or Liam bc they are generally boring to talk to compared to the others. Liam's facial animations don't help him out much.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 12, 2017 15:24:19 GMT
Liam wasn't written well in my opinion. But Jacob was flat out stereotyped, and he's the one that I have the most issue with. I thought it was just ridiculous.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Apr 12, 2017 15:29:12 GMT
The real question is BSN biased against Volus? The Volus are pragmatic and good with finance and economics. That's why they're despised by left wingers! Look at some of the libertarians and right wingers here and you notice they have Volus avatars!
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Post by unwanted on Apr 12, 2017 15:36:00 GMT
Liam wasn't written well in my opinion. But Jacob was flat out stereotyped, and he's the one that I have the most issue with. I thought it was just ridiculous. This ^^ And Vivienne was a stuck up, look down-her-nose, traitorous bitch. To put the record straight I disliked more white people throughout the Bioware series, so it's not a color thing. I don't like Peepee and she's blue.
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Post by Arijon van Goyen on Apr 12, 2017 15:36:11 GMT
Udina the brown > all black Bioware characters
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Post by therevanchist25 on Apr 12, 2017 15:41:10 GMT
If you take the time it's perfectly possible to make characters that look black with correct features in this game. Or to even make a decent looking Sara Ryder for that matter. Not saying the CC system was great, but it was usable. I simply could never make my Ryder's anything but white, for the simple fact their VA's are the whitest damn voices I've ever heard lol
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Post by FireAndBlood on Apr 12, 2017 15:43:07 GMT
OP is the greatest troll to ever grace the BSN. Seriously the first post is a work of art.
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Post by hiffwe on Apr 12, 2017 15:46:03 GMT
Congratulations, you made the worst thread of 2017. A representative will be by shortly to repossess your computer and any other Internet connected devices.
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Post by timebean on Apr 12, 2017 15:46:51 GMT
I wonder if the OP, who posted this topic as their SECOND post on the forums (hmmmm), ever looked at the old topics regarding the "space-racist" Ashley (as she is often called). I wonder how many BSN'ers let her die on Virmire because they didn't like her comments? There were MEGA posts about this issue in the old forums.
I have seen very few racists comments on these forums (although they do exist here and there). Most of the super vitriolic threads have been about sexuality, not race.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 12, 2017 15:50:15 GMT
I simply could never make my Ryder's anything but white, for the simple fact their VA's are the whitest damn voices I've ever heard lol I know what you mean, but I thought Sara was the better off the two. I actually stopped my Scott Ryder game because it just didn't fit. Sara hasn't been as bad, and I'm almost done with her playthrough.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 12, 2017 15:50:21 GMT
OP is the greatest troll to ever grace the BSN. Seriously the first post is a work of art. LOL glad someone besides me finally noticed. It truly was the work of a great craftsman. He accurately identified his prey and set his bait perfectly.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 12, 2017 16:05:07 GMT
Jacob is just kind of there the entire time in ME2 he never really does anything to stand out. He could have just been a random NCP and it wouldn't have changed the game much.
Liam is a mixed bag to me. I like him for the most part but lately, he has been annoying me. The why he talks down to Vetra is just flat out uncalled for and annoying as all hell. Plus he takes way too many unnecessary risks and that wouldn't bother if his friend died in his loyalty mission and he learns that he has to be way more careful and not just do stuff. Like how he going to talk call Vetra an idiot for bringing Sid to a new galaxy but you the one always fucking up. Don't anybody else fuck up on the crew but YOU LIAM! His heart is in the right place but he is more annoying than Sera from DAI sometimes.
Viv is a well-written character I just agree with her views. That said I do bring her along to listen to give other companions a verbal beatdown in debates.
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Post by Puberty on Apr 12, 2017 16:07:54 GMT
OP is the greatest troll to ever grace the BSN. Seriously the first post is a work of art. LOL glad someone besides me finally noticed. It truly was the work of a great craftsman. He accurately identified his prey and set his bait perfectly. "I'm not accusing anyone of being racist but I do want everyone to examine their own internal biases." 7 pages in. Fucking hilarious.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 12, 2017 16:18:45 GMT
I've often felt similiarly to the op. I've wondered if the black characters would be better received if their skin was a different color. Liam is a funny, lighthearted guy with good intentions but for some reason, people hate him with a passion. He's kind of like Alistar (though I feel Alistar did have better writers), but I don't remember Alistar being hated like Liam. Honestly I doubt it. Jacob's problem is hes bland as a character, hes the everyman on the dirty dozen crew, it doesn't help him stand out, it also makes him kind of invisible when you are around larger than life personalities. Vivienne is pitch perfect as a scheming politician. She has an agenda but hides it thoroughly, and makes for a fantastic foil to a lot of the party members. The reason she is hated so much is because of her point of view and convictions going against most pre-judgements regarding Mages and the circle that have been established. She is a good character that is simply disliked. Liam...I don't get the hate honestly either, his biggest flaw is his impulsive, reckless nature gets in the way of his abilities. Hes a shoot first, ask questions later kind of guy, very off the books, and is always trying to prevent a crisis by jumping in and getting the brunt of the blast on him. I think hes decently written, but I think the issue is moreso the fact that he has not moment of reflection on his actions. Liam is set in his ways unlike PeeBee, Cora and Jaal were, and unlike Drack and Vetra hes a bit too young comparatively to be like that in the minds of many. Truth be told I think the problem has nothing to do with race, it just has to do with opinions on the character themselves.
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Post by blastchilla on Apr 12, 2017 16:24:34 GMT
Vivenne was a masterpiece, took the bitch near everywhere with diff combinations of companions. Kept me quite entertained.
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Post by atalante on Apr 12, 2017 16:33:51 GMT
Mmm.. I guess I am in the minority finding that Liam is a cool teammate, the loyalty mission is hilarious, and the way he tends to interact with the rest of the team is quite funny too. My only complain would be that he is always "when I was in crisis response bla blabla", just like Cora, whom I like otherwise, seems to have received waaayyy too much attention in her huntress background. A bit more of dialogues on others subjects (family, friends, feelings...) would have been nice. So overall I'd say Liam is of variable interrest. Sometimes I feel he is the best companion, sometimes he is a bit boring.
Jacob... poor Jacob. I remember when starting to play ME2 for the first time I did think "yeah he looks cool (while Miranda was a ***)", then he turned creepy (while Miranda felt more and more human). His loyalty mission just added to the feeling. In all my subsequent playthroughs, I always ignored him since then.
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Post by pdusen on Apr 12, 2017 16:59:53 GMT
"I don't like character x as a person, therefore they are terribly written."
The world according to BSN.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 12, 2017 17:20:25 GMT
A thread that has potential to literally break BSN hasn't devolved into a racist rant thread yet? Am I in the twilight zone?
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Post by arreyanne on Apr 12, 2017 17:30:55 GMT
I wonder if the OP, who posted this topic as their SECOND post on the forums (hmmmm), ever looked at the old topics regarding the "space-racist" Ashley (as she is often called). I wonder how many BSN'ers let her die on Virmire because they didn't like her comments? There were MEGA posts about this issue in the old forums. I have seen very few racists comments on these forums (although they do exist here and there). Most of the super vitriolic threads have been about sexuality, not race. Well, I must be one of the Few then. Ash was my favorite, I was really disappointed with the ME2 cameo. In 3 once the citadel thing was over I took her everywhere, even though I hated her powerset. I liked her more than Liara. And now I will be hauled over the coals for saying that LOL
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 12, 2017 17:32:16 GMT
Liam wasn't written well in my opinion. But Jacob was flat out stereotyped, and he's the one that I have the most issue with. I thought it was just ridiculous. This ^^ And Vivienne was a stuck up, look down-her-nose, traitorous bitch. To put the record straight I disliked more white people throughout the Bioware series, so it's not a color thing. I don't like Peepee and she's blue. Traitorous?
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Post by Lorn on Apr 12, 2017 17:35:09 GMT
A thread that has potential to literally break BSN hasn't devolved into a racist rant thread yet? Am I in the twilight zone? You missed Cloud9's posts.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 12, 2017 18:02:03 GMT
Vivienne was supposed to be white. They didn't change her persona to be more likable when they changed her skin color.
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Post by dazzarlok on Apr 12, 2017 18:14:00 GMT
Pfft, I'm black and I can't stand Jacob (sorry Jacob, among all the other crew members in ME2 you were just a boring plank of wood, I'm not even going to go into the horrible way they wrote your romance in ME3) and while I do like Liam, he's definitely my least favorite out of the rest of the squad; he's just not as interesting to me as everyone else. Vivienne from DA:I was written to be an unlikable stuck-up snob, so I'm not sure why you'd even question why a lot of people didn't like her, although, depending on which role I'm playing in the game at that time (pro mage freedom or pro circle, for example) Vivienne and I will either be the best of friends or the worst enemies.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 12, 2017 18:19:21 GMT
I like Anderson because he was born in London and I live in London and I like him because he was born in London.
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Post by dazzarlok on Apr 12, 2017 18:22:54 GMT
I wonder if the OP, who posted this topic as their SECOND post on the forums (hmmmm), ever looked at the old topics regarding the "space-racist" Ashley (as she is often called). I wonder how many BSN'ers let her die on Virmire because they didn't like her comments? There were MEGA posts about this issue in the old forums. I have seen very few racists comments on these forums (although they do exist here and there). Most of the super vitriolic threads have been about sexuality, not race. Well, I must be one of the Few then. Ash was my favorite, I was really disappointed with the ME2 cameo. In 3 once the citadel thing was over I took her everywhere, even though I hated her powerset. I liked her more than Liara. And now I will be hauled over the coals for saying that LOL Not by me, I liked Ashley (I personally never cared for Liara, I'm not entirely sure why, I just didn't love her like almost everyone else seems to). I feel she developed well as a character from ME1 to ME3, I think people are just too harsh on her.
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