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Post by patrickbateman on Sept 3, 2016 20:04:03 GMT
GPS is devastating on or off host. If it is a potato connection, why are you still playing on that host? I find the [ESC] button quickly, followed by "Are you sure you want to quit the match in progress?" To not use the GPS because of potato, is essentially saying "This game actually does suck so hard, I no longer want to play it." Potato was built in to this game, so either love all of the potato or you are fooling yourself. This message comes freely from Qui-Gon-Cain from Kung Fu-Glenn. I have traveled the earth by quick match, in my opinion as much or more than any other soul, and so - 1. If your weapon sucks, it is not the gun, it is the connection. Quit, find a new host. 2. If it appears you are being one-shotted by anything that looks at you, it is the connection. Quit, find a new host. 3. When you decapitate the Nemesis with your backhand, then hear her scope lining up and you get shield-gated by a headless dead Nemesis, it is the connection. Maybe quit... that much lag can be fun. Not taking Incinerate on the Vanilla Human Engineer is an airlockable offense, frankly I found it quite disturbing. Especially considering it was not a full melee fitness build. No, No, NO NO NO NONONONONONONONO 66653 or GTFO. Combat Drone is good clean fun. Not really, projectile weapons like the GPS suffer quite a lot even at small amounts of lag and loss of data. So the GPS in the majority of off-host games isn't really "devastating" at all.
There are some guns I never use off-host, I want them to work as intended and that's on-host.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 3, 2016 23:32:09 GMT
All I play is quick match. Gold or Platinum.
I have completed Shotgun Mastery 26 times. I would venture I have used the GPS in at least 22 of those.
Yes, the GPS suffers when it is very laggy, like all projectile weapons, grenades, etc.
Sorry, but not being able to use the GPS off-host is most definitely a l2p situation.
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Post by Arkhne on Sept 4, 2016 2:10:44 GMT
All I play is quick match. Gold or Platinum. I have completed Shotgun Mastery 26 times. I would venture I have used the GPS in at least 22 of those. Yes, the GPS suffers when it is very laggy, like all projectile weapons, grenades, etc. Sorry, but not being able to use the GPS off-host is most definitely a l2p situation. Right. Because learning to play defies the bugginess of the game code. Projectile weapons WILL at least occasionally fire blanks off-host, this is fact. Doesn't even need to be "very laggy", it just is. No matter how gud you git, this fact remains. It's like claiming that the AI only sends 4 enemies against you at a time, because you got so good, the game doesn't even try any more. They have the same level of BS in them. You can claim whatever you like about your skill with a weapon, but it doesn't change the reality that off-host, the GPS WILL fire blanks, not with every shot, but it WILL happen (I also believe GPS' tracking is also affected by not hosting, though somebody who uses it more will have to confirm or deny it). Claiming otherwise will just make you look like a troll. No amount of "L2P" will defy the inherent problems with Projectile weapons when not hosting.
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Post by BDaddy1968 on Sept 4, 2016 5:09:36 GMT
Sounds like this needs to be settled by a bo5 THUNDERDOME. Alternating hosts of course.
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Post by patrickbateman on Sept 4, 2016 8:44:59 GMT
All I play is quick match. Gold or Platinum. I have completed Shotgun Mastery 26 times. I would venture I have used the GPS in at least 22 of those. Yes, the GPS suffers when it is very laggy, like all projectile weapons, grenades, etc. Sorry, but not being able to use the GPS off-host is most definitely a l2p situation. That makes no sense at all, "l2p" you serious brah?
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Post by xelander on Sept 4, 2016 10:31:33 GMT
If you are playing on Plat, put at least 3 lvls into Drone. If you are playing with a Drone on Gold or above, stay away from the rocket evolution. If you are not using the rocket evolution, stay away from the shields and damage evolutions. If you want to maximize use of the Shock attack, don't take Chain Lightning, they are competing modes of attack. Power buildWicked fun buildAre you sure? I always use shock + chain Lightning, as far as I can tell it works out pretty good. Yeah, CL does not have the stagger effect of Shock and IIRC, I did some testing a long time ago and the wiki is correct - they are different modes of attack. Besides, CL doubles in functionality with Overload, so I'd rather spent the points elsewhere. On a side note - isn't it hilarious how a Shock Drone renders an Atlas almost completely useless?
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Sept 4, 2016 12:17:04 GMT
Are you sure? I always use shock + chain Lightning, as far as I can tell it works out pretty good. Yeah, CL does not have the stagger effect of Shock and IIRC, I did some testing a long time ago and the wiki is correct - they are different modes of attack. Besides, CL doubles in functionality with Overload, so I'd rather spent the points elsewhere. On a side note - isn't it hilarious how a Shock Drone renders an Atlas almost completely useless? On the side note, I prefer the effect it has on Primes, because fuck Primes. On the former, I've read the wiki on more than one occasion, including the strategy options part, and attempted to reconcile it to my own gameplay experience. I'm not a numbers guy, in this context at least, because the Drone's actual numbers are piddling and almost irrelevant, but I read 'different modes of attack' as different from 'competing modes of attack' as you originally described them - they may not combine, but that doesn't mean they're not complementary. There is no doubt left for me at this stage - BAB Drone is the most effective Drone, and the most effective HE build includes a maxed Drone. Rocket Drone is truly painful to watch by comparison, hitting walls more than half the time, and although the alternate choice in rank 5 will increase the explosion damage, the fact that the increased shields slow the explosion down makes it a less than attractive option to me. And as I said, the Drone's numbers are crap - its true value lies in its ability to distract the enemy so you can shoot them and/or explode them in fire or tech bursts. And as for the GPS - I've never used it on-host, but I've completed its mastery points 12 times, so it can't be as bad as Arkhne fears. It's quite epic on the Jugg, even off-host where he is completely gimped.
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Post by GruntKitterhand on Sept 4, 2016 12:31:10 GMT
I loved your whole post but as an Irishman I want to say that not only do I love the potato, I have embraced the potato in all its glory. . And that is obviously why I am just as happy, if not happier, on someone else's potato PS3 host with a GPS. The potato is love, the potato is life. One potato to rule us all Is cato your king ? I forgot to reply to this. My Celtic Spud Brother can't be a King, because King Edward potatoes already exist. I should also stress Celtic with a hard 'C' as he might be a Rangers fan and I wouldn't want to cause offence. As for what his actual title or role might be in the overall scheme of things in my grand delusion, it was actually an encounter with cato on Goddess that started me posting on BSN. I think I amused him by sending a message saying something along the lines of "Nice running into a celebrity!" after spending most of the match trying to find something to kill.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 4, 2016 12:55:31 GMT
How does my post make no sense? Apparently, I need to make videos using the GPS and Krysae just to illustrate how poorly informed you are. I can top score any difficulty off-host with either of those weapon. Krysae on Platinum will require GI, but still it happens. You cry and hand wave because you don't like perfectly good weapons, and since you don't like them no one else should either. Yeah, that makes sense. Edit Arkhne: it is an l2p issue. Lag is variable. Off-host, you are always going to have some. If it is bad, then it doesn't matter what kit or weapon you brought, everything is going to suck. If it is ok, "good enough", I can make anything work. My challenges back this up. According to your theory, I should only play rapid fire weapons off-host. This game would bore the shit out of me if that was the case. Thankfully, it is not, and yes, you need to l2p through lag.
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Post by patrickbateman on Sept 4, 2016 13:56:39 GMT
How does my post make no sense? Apparently, I need to make videos using the GPS and Krysae just to illustrate how poorly informed you are. I can top score any difficulty off-host with either of those weapon. Krysae on Platinum will require GI, but still it happens. You cry and hand wave because you don't like perfectly good weapons, and since you don't like them no one else should either. Yeah, that makes sense. Edit Arkhne : it is an l2p issue. Lag is variable. Off-host, you are always going to have some. If it is bad, then it doesn't matter what kit or weapon you brought, everything is going to suck. If it is ok, "good enough", I can make anything work. My challenges back this up. According to your theory, I should only play rapid fire weapons off-host. This game would bore the shit out of me if that was the case. Thankfully, it is not, and yes, you need to l2p through lag. You're slightly amusing, I'll give you that, with a unique deductive reasoning.
Have fun in fantasyland.
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 4, 2016 14:01:16 GMT
Lol. I am the one in fantasy land, that is cute.
Ignore my manifest, it contains all the evidence you need.
And, just for you, I will do a special level 1 off-host video, SI with GPS, to illustrate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 14:02:38 GMT
How does my post make no sense? Apparently, I need to make videos using the GPS and Krysae just to illustrate how poorly informed you are. I can top score any difficulty off-host with either of those weapon. Krysae on Platinum will require GI, but still it happens. You cry and hand wave because you don't like perfectly good weapons, and since you don't like them no one else should either. Yeah, that makes sense. Edit Arkhne : it is an l2p issue. Lag is variable. Off-host, you are always going to have some. If it is bad, then it doesn't matter what kit or weapon you brought, everything is going to suck. If it is ok, "good enough", I can make anything work. My challenges back this up. According to your theory, I should only play rapid fire weapons off-host. This game would bore the shit out of me if that was the case. Thankfully, it is not, and yes, you need to l2p through lag.
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Post by Arkhne on Sept 4, 2016 15:16:30 GMT
Oh, look at me. I'm so good that I have to tell other players to L2P because they don't LIKE my prefered weapon, and state actual game FACTS about said weapon.
Get over yourself.
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Post by Evil on Sept 4, 2016 15:51:38 GMT
The only heretical build left for me to dally with is one in which I go for greater single-target damage with Overload. The damage increase is notable with other power damage boosts, but I still haven't decided whether that balances the extra effect on a second target. It's not heretical at all if you combine the HEng with an executioner pistol or another single shot weapon. Being able to reliably kill any shielded mook with a single cast and trigger pull outweighs the lost CC, especially if you've got a suicide drone picking up the slack. The only problems with this build are: A/ It requires some fiddling around with power evo's, consumables, and weapon mods to get both the shield strip and the weapon damage up to a point that they'll do that consistantly. If that phantom ends up with a few shield points left over after you've hit her with overload you won't get the kill. If you bodyshot that phantom and it doesn't do enough damage you won't get the kill. Either way, you're left holding an empty gun in front of a very. very pissed off phantom. Not good. B/ Neural shock doesn't play nice with this playstyle. Here's what I remember from the build: Kalence HEng
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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Sept 5, 2016 0:23:16 GMT
That's the thing.... In this game, I am just an average gud player. Far from a badass. I outscored RedJohn and Brojo, but really that's no accomplishment.
I have seen the great masters play. Deerber said we were equals, and I tend to think that we are similar level in skill and ability to deal with lag.
That said, he is a great player who also acknowledges that there have been players far more outstanding than us in this silly little game.
My point in all of this has been to say that you should never limit your game due to perceived difficulty regarding lag. Quit the match if lag makes it no fun, play the shit you want to play always.
I am just another good player that, as a BSNer, topscores all the time becuz knowledge and experience and stuff
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 18:53:19 GMT
My only equal is illegal algebra dude always outscores me.
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Post by Kenny Bania on Sept 5, 2016 19:00:12 GMT
My only equal is illegal algebra dude always outscores everybody. FTFY
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2016 3:18:50 GMT
3 points, that way you can go full into Quarian Mechanic/Engineer passive and area Energy Drain. Throw the remaining 2 into Hacking until you're done with all the Toaster missions, then spec out of it and get explosive drone instead for extra stagger lulz vs Harbinger.
Don't worry about putting points into drone for the talking toaster. The airlock build is by far the best for it.
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Post by Arkhne on Sept 6, 2016 10:21:18 GMT
3 points, that way you can go full into Quarian Mechanic/Engineer passive and area Energy Drain. Throw the remaining 2 into Hacking until you're done with all the Toaster missions, then spec out of it and get explosive drone instead for extra stagger lulz vs Harbinger. Don't worry about putting points into drone for the talking toaster. The airlock build is by far the best for it. Oh Tali, how I wish I played with you more. Garrus and his big rifle keep taking me away from you, it is not fair to you, I know, but he can do things with his rifle that you can't. I love the powers you have over everybody, and the confidence you show versus Geth. Can you ever forgive me for taking Garrus with his big rifle?
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