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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2017 3:37:51 GMT
You can stop the production of Oblivion and still side with Sloane. She never starts it back up again. Only because you destroyed the outcast copy and gave the existing copy back to the doctor And? I was just saying that Oblivion being in production isn't needed to side with Sloane. Also even if you side with Reyes the Oblivion is still sold unless you shut it down. Reyes doesn't stop it himself. |
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Apr 16, 2017 3:42:07 GMT
Only because you destroyed the outcast copy and gave the existing copy back to the doctor And? I was just saying that Oblivion being in production isn't needed to side with Sloane. Also even if you side with Reyes the Oblivion is still sold unless you shut it down. Reyes doesn't stop it himself. Last I checked, if you believe the asari, she goes into hiding and takes the formula with her so it's not really Reyes' fault if he cant find her. Also, Reyes donates to the soup kitchen and clinic. The outpost is also happier under the collective than the outcasts. |
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 16, 2017 3:45:41 GMT
And? I was just saying that Oblivion being in production isn't needed to side with Sloane. Also even if you side with Reyes the Oblivion is still sold unless you shut it down. Reyes doesn't stop it himself. Last I checked, if you believe the asari, she goes into hiding and takes the formula with her so it's not really Reyes' fault if he cant find her. Also, Reyes donates to the soup kitchen and clinic. The outpost is also happier under the collective than the outcasts. No, she stays there and tells you she'll cover for you with Sloane saying the Outcast guards were killed by the Collective. So does Sloane. The soup kitchen and clinic are there regardless of who leads. Dr. Nakamoto even begrudgingly has to give Sloane credit. I've seen it be mixed reception, mostly positive, regardless who leads. |
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 16, 2017 3:51:11 GMT
I don't trust either of them to keep their end of a bargain. But Reyes is at least rational. Sloane strikes me as the type of person who would murder twenty people merely because she had a headache.
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Post by ildun on Apr 16, 2017 4:07:24 GMT
I want to believe in Reyes, although the "duel" is really despicable... Anyway, the main reason I don't want to save Sloane is because of drug business. Protection fee? I can understand. But drug? NO! This is one BIG step toward evil tyrant. You can stop the production of Oblivion and still side with Sloane. She never starts it back up again. The point is she is the one started the drug business, which for me it is evil. |
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Post by Ashii6 on Apr 16, 2017 7:53:14 GMT
I want to believe in Reyes, although the "duel" is really despicable... Anyway, the main reason I don't want to save Sloane is because of drug business. Protection fee? I can understand. But drug? NO! This is one BIG step toward evil tyrant. The Collective produces their own drug. I don't remember the details, but you can find out while searching their base in the cave. |
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Post by xeternalxdreams on Apr 16, 2017 7:56:47 GMT
I've never made it past Aya (first visit) and a 100% viable Eos. Plenty of restarts, work, MP.. I can't add much of an answer but I would like to be in this conversation. I have spoiled myself via threads. From what I gather, Sloane is horrible morally as a leader, but she is upfront with her intentions and motives. Her opponent, Reyes, is sly and works behind the scenes. I hear that he actually changes situations for the better seen in the game (even if it is just cosmetics, dialogue). He seems to be the lesser of the two evils? Since he is romance option, I'm sure he will have a bigger fan base that will perhaps look past/dilute his negative attributes? I'm not trying to sound like a ignorant person if that sounded negative about him but it makes saving Sloane less desirable overall. I will experience it one day but I am hoping it's not one of those decisions that only have one positive leaning outcome. I bought Nexus Uprising so I'll be able to see more on her (hopefully it does not have a personality disconnect from book to game Sloane). I am hoping she gets some spotlight in future DLC/games if you save her. Then again, I might hate her. Lol. But it's a fair balance with Reyes. I didn't add anything of value.. but I'm lurking here.  |
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Post by ildun on Apr 16, 2017 7:57:24 GMT
I want to believe in Reyes, although the "duel" is really despicable... Anyway, the main reason I don't want to save Sloane is because of drug business. Protection fee? I can understand. But drug? NO! This is one BIG step toward evil tyrant. The Collective produces their own drug. I don't remember the details, but you can find out while searching their base in the cave. Wait, what? I think I miss it, damn I have to go back and search thoroughly. |
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Post by darthryder on Apr 16, 2017 9:11:27 GMT
*sigh* I like Sloane. I feel like she has some good deep deep inside her that Reyes doesn't. During the Epilogue, I spoke to her and it was like brother sister banter. I was the annoying brother that she doesn't want to admit she likes way more than she's willing to admit. I don''t remember the details but I can't ever imagine her shooting at me or betraying the initiative (as long as I'm around) you know?
Reyes is shady and used the angara while Sloane worked with them and made the only system she knew how to make for a bunch of criminals who were going crazy without water. She did what she had to do and as things get better, I trust that she'll lead as many as she can back into the right direction and eventually die in a worthy honorable heroic redeeming way and I can't wait to see it.
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Post by wildelight on Apr 16, 2017 9:29:13 GMT
On my first file I saved Sloane on impulse, I have to admit it was fun having a decision like that be based on interrupts. I didn't like both of them personally, but Sloane is easier to predict than Reyes. I had him pegged for the Charlatan in his first meeting and questioned everything he said to Ryder from that point on. Finding the notes in the Collective base about putting on their best behavior when the Pathfinder is around didn't do him any favors either. Personally I prefer my fairies microwaved. All you Sloane-supporting fairy-killers are missing some very essential, crucial, extremely vital, key information (I get redundant when I'm tired) that * clearly* proves Reyes is the best choice to support and letting Sloane live is canonically wrong. Reyes . . . is bangable. Sloane, even if you save her, is not. Seriously, do y'all even know how to Bioware?? |
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Post by vyndral on Apr 16, 2017 9:48:44 GMT
On my first file I saved Sloane on impulse, I have to admit it was fun having a decision like that be based on interrupts. I didn't like both of them personally, but Sloane is easier to predict than Reyes. I had him pegged for the Charlatan in his first meeting and questioned everything he said to Ryder from that point on. Finding the notes in the Collective base about putting on their best behavior when the Pathfinder is around didn't do him any favors either. Personally I prefer my fairies microwaved. All you Sloane-supporting fairy-killers are missing some very essential, crucial, extremely vital, key information (I get redundant when I'm tired) that * clearly* proves Reyes is the best choice to support and letting Sloane live is canonically wrong. Reyes . . . is bangable. Sloane, even if you save her, is not. Seriously, do y'all even know how to Bioware?? Sloan digs the Turian... another woman Garrus has ruined for us... |
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Post by ArabianIGoggles on Apr 16, 2017 11:09:37 GMT
You can stop the production of Oblivion and still side with Sloane. She never starts it back up again. The point is she is the one started the drug business, which for me it is evil. Damn them for bringing us penicillin! |
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Post by Catilina on Apr 16, 2017 11:58:20 GMT
Not surprised folk are needing to ask, Sloane literally gives no reason in the story to save her whatsoever. No redeemable qualities shown by her at all, the death she got offered in the end was so fitting for her character, only regret from my pathfinder was not being able to pull that trigger myself. You mean other then not being a lying, cheating, backstabber? It is an interesting choice. Do I choose the hard ass bitch I can trust and will do what she says she will do. Or do I trust the overly friendly fella, who will lie to me and everyone to get exactly what he wants out of them over and over again. I know, I know.. He told me no more secrets. I soooooo believe him this time. You don't need to trust him, you don't need to trust anyone. You need to kill/replace him (if possibly, ofc.), if he behaves similarly than Sloane. The point is not the trust: the point is the change. The people need to see, the change is possible, and the tyrants are mortals, and no one is untouchable. Probably I will never let Sloane in her position. Perhaps she and Reyes both bad option, but Reyes is the change at the moment. No one should feel secure in his/her position, this is important in a similar case. They are all criminals. |
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Post by vyndral on Apr 16, 2017 12:40:01 GMT
You mean other then not being a lying, cheating, backstabber? It is an interesting choice. Do I choose the hard ass bitch I can trust and will do what she says she will do. Or do I trust the overly friendly fella, who will lie to me and everyone to get exactly what he wants out of them over and over again. I know, I know.. He told me no more secrets. I soooooo believe him this time. You don't need to trust him, you don't need to trust anyone. You need to kill/replace him (if possibly, ofc.), if he behaves similarly than Sloane. The point is not the trust: the point is the change. The people need to see, the change is possible, and the tyrants are mortals, and no one is untouchable. Probably I will never let Sloane in her position. Perhaps she and Reyes both bad option, but Reyes is the change at the moment. No one should feel secure in his/her position, this is important in a similar case. They are all criminals. No one is untouchable. Well except Reyes, since almost no one knows who he is. He is almost completely secure, since anything that goes wrong will not land at his feet. But that is different... |
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Post by Catilina on Apr 16, 2017 12:58:46 GMT
You don't need to trust him, you don't need to trust anyone. You need to kill/replace him (if possibly, ofc.), if he behaves similarly than Sloane. The point is not the trust: the point is the change. The people need to see, the change is possible, and the tyrants are mortals, and no one is untouchable. Probably I will never let Sloane in her position. Perhaps she and Reyes both bad option, but Reyes is the change at the moment. No one should feel secure in his/her position, this is important in a similar case. They are all criminals. No one is untouchable. Well except Reyes, since almost no one knows who he is. He is almost completely secure, since anything that goes wrong will not land at his feet. But that is different... Yes. Different, because Sloane is a symbol. A symbol of violence, and as such thing, must be executed. The bad symbols always appeared, but need to be destroyed from time to time. I just hate mafia methods. She knew, that her game is dangerous. Reyes, I said, probably just the other bad solution. I hope, we will see, and we could "handle" him later. He's not in safe anymore: we know, who is him. |
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Post by The Biotic Trebuchet on Apr 16, 2017 15:50:49 GMT
Reyes tries to fuck you over to fuck somebody else over and then calls people in for a one on one fights with snipers waiting. And positons himself right in front so he can look them in the eye while they go down. Thats not somebody you can trust but if you shoot someone like that youd wanna hope theyre dead. Picked Sloane, didn't shoot Reyes. Let the evolutionary process decide. "I'd never stab you in the back, Shepard. Warriors like you and me - straight to the face." But you don't stab him, you fucking shoot his ass down.  |
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Post by liquidsnake on Apr 24, 2017 15:02:54 GMT
I absolutely hate to go back to an old save to change decisions in games but I clicked R2 by instinct in the interrupt and then had to fight Reyes and make him an enemy. I strongly disliked Sloane. All my dialogue toward her was incredibly derogatory, calling her a criminal and mocking her that I should bow when seeing her on her throne. So.... I had to reload my save. I felt pretty dirty about allowing Reyes' goon to assassinate her but she needed to be taken out in my opinion. I don't trust Reyes and think he's pretty shady, but he seemed like the lesser of two evils. He and my Ryder got along and became "friends." I honestly wouldn't put it past him to betray me if a sequel is ever made, especially since he's the one of the two that can't die no matter which decision you make. Still, if that is the case, I'd rather go in to it having worked with him and not have him hating me.
Still, the fact that I had to reload the save to side with him makes me unsettled. I probably should have just stuck with Sloane because that's the decision I made in the moment, whether it was by accident or not. I'm still so used to the Paragon interrupts I never wanted to miss in the original trilogy and just click automatically when it pops up. Oh well. I went in to the meeting hoping that I could side with the Charlatan instead of backing her up anyway.. |
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Post by kenshen19 on Apr 24, 2017 16:39:12 GMT
The game really pushes you toward Reyes. So much so that it makes me suspicious something is going on (or will) that will prove she is actually the better choice. At least with her what you see is what you get while Reyes is a shady, manipulative player who is using you from the very start for his own gain although if he keeps his word then ok I guess. To bad there wasn't a 3rd option to kill both of them and take over yourself.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Apr 24, 2017 16:51:20 GMT
A few characters describe The Charlatan's rule as "more relaxed," like the bartender in the seedy club Reyes uses as home base. There's a strong indication that things on Kadara will be even more chaotic under his control than they were with Sloane's reign of terror, but there isn't a system of authoritarian exploitation either. The Angarans aren't systematically subjugated, partly thanks to the figurehead of his leadership being Angaran herself.
And most importantly, the casual threats of mass slaughter Sloane levies at Ryder if they mention a Kadaran settlement go away. After I heard her drop that line, I wished my Ryder could challenge her to a duel right there and then.
That is my only regret about the choice, actually, that my Ryder couldn't have ended that monster herself. Face to face.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Apr 24, 2017 17:03:42 GMT
I can't even start on her playing Kingpin with the Oblivion drug. It's abhorrent.
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Post by bigdawg13 on Apr 24, 2017 19:26:08 GMT
Kadara is basically Omega of Andromeda. Sloane = Aria T'Loak
I prefer an upfront honest mafia kingpin to a shadow corporation. Everything you've heard about the Collective could be a lie. Reyes might not even be the real charlatan. Both are criminal organizations. One's just up front about what they are whereas the other lies constantly.
The only real crime Sloane committed is letting people do as they want. She gave them freedom to act how or why they wanted.
My only regret is not being able to ask Sloane what Kadara's one rule is.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 24, 2017 19:39:19 GMT
Kadara is basically Omega of Andromeda. Sloane = Aria T'Loak I prefer an upfront honest mafia kingpin to a shadow corporation. Everything you've heard about the Collective could be a lie. Reyes might not even be the real charlatan. Both are criminal organizations. One's just up front about what they are whereas the other lies constantly. The only real crime Sloane committed is letting people do as they want. She gave them freedom to act how or why they wanted. My only regret is not being able to ask Sloane what Kadara's one rule is. Yeah. Better the devil you know than the devil you don't. |
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Post by qwib on Apr 24, 2017 19:43:53 GMT
Reyes is such a slimey bastard, I adore him. He will come back and fuck Ryder over in an DLC for sure. He is a Cerberus Agent or something.
I still smooch him with every Ryder I've got. Sloane is pretty straight forward and has no magic Plotarmor to protect her, she is worthless. The only cool thing about her is that she really seems to care about Kaetus. I found that very sweet somehow.
I think in the end Umi should take over Kadara. Being a Bartender for 200 years must have prepared her for this role.
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Post by bigdawg13 on Apr 24, 2017 19:46:41 GMT
Reyes is such a slimey bastard, I adore him. He will come back and fuck Ryder over in an DLC for sure. He is a Cerberus Agent or something. I still smooch him with every Ryder I've got. Sloane is pretty straight forward and has no magic Plotarmor to protect her, she is worthless. The only cool thing about her is that she really seems to care about Kaetus. I found that very sweet somehow. I think in the end Umi should take over Kadara. Being a Bartender for 200 years must have prepared her for this role. Didn't Aria T'Loak start out as a dancer? I can totally imagine Umi taking over in a few hundred years. |
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