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Post by thesupremedarkone on Apr 24, 2017 22:15:25 GMT
Kadara is basically Omega of Andromeda. Sloane = Aria T'Loak I prefer an upfront honest mafia kingpin to a shadow corporation. Everything you've heard about the Collective could be a lie. Reyes might not even be the real charlatan. Both are criminal organizations. One's just up front about what they are whereas the other lies constantly. The only real crime Sloane committed is letting people do as they want. She gave them freedom to act how or why they wanted. My only regret is not being able to ask Sloane what Kadara's one rule is. Do her extorting the outpost is ok? Minute I heard that, she was dead. No regrets
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Post by sdzald on Apr 25, 2017 0:05:05 GMT
With Sloane the initiative has to pay a protection fees for an outpost, people still need to pay their fees as well and Angara are not happy with her. Go with Reyes, no protections fees for anybody as he says the trade will cover it all and he protects your outpost free of charge and the Angara are also happy that Collective is in charge of the Port. Capitalism (Reyes) vs a filthy traitorous pirate (sloane) The choice is clear go with Reyes as Sloane is not an option for reconciliation for any body. I don't agree, Reyes, Con artist, slick do anything, say anything back shooter, whose accent is most likely phony vs Sloane, filthy traitorous pirate, total whack job, wana be queen. Not really a good choice either way. I just stayed out of the way and let them have had it. However I do NOT trust Reyes any further then I can toss Drak, and he WILL be trouble.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Apr 25, 2017 3:32:56 GMT
Kadara is basically Omega of Andromeda. Sloane = Aria T'Loak I prefer an upfront honest mafia kingpin to a shadow corporation. Everything you've heard about the Collective could be a lie. Reyes might not even be the real charlatan. Both are criminal organizations. One's just up front about what they are whereas the other lies constantly. The only real crime Sloane committed is letting people do as they want. She gave them freedom to act how or why they wanted. My only regret is not being able to ask Sloane what Kadara's one rule is. Just so long as they thing they want is to pay her extortion fees.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 4:02:19 GMT
I felt Sloane softens slightly. Granted she is still a hard ass but it suits her. I'd take her all day every day over some slim ball Reyes. I know what I am dealing with regarding her. Something about Reyes will come back to bite the AI hard. No matter which way it goes. Steps on fairy... Agreed. While Reyes may not be the most vicious criminal in the deep recesses of his heart, he's still a crime lord. Letting the Collective grow strong and flourish is a terrible idea. When Reyes is inevitably replaced, or simply proves himself less amiable, the Collective will be in a position to cause all sorts of trouble across the cluster. Sloane, on the other hand, has no ambition beyond protecting the citizens of Kadara. She will never oppose the Initiative, as long as they don't endanger her people. She was a true believer in the Initiative, and ended up exiled only because of Tann's foolishness and Spender's conniving cowardice. With a Pathfinder in the picture, and the Nexus changing, a strong relationship with the Ai seems like an almost certain future. Once Tann is no longer in charge, the biggest hurdle will be removed. Sloane softens dramatically after saving her. If you choose the, "Maybe I came to check on Kaetus" option, you see the tough act completely drop, momentarily. You see the old Sloane resurface, for a moment. She's seen and done too much, and can't afford to show weakness; so she'll never be able to completely relax while ruling Kadara. Still, her appreciation and admiration for Ryder is clear. As to her treatment of Kadara's angara, you have to pay attention to recognize the truth. Her people never fought the angara, excepting the roekarr. This is stated plainly. She traded with them. When she liberated Kadara from the kett, they welcomed her leadership. (Remember, these angara are not the same as those elsewhere. They're considered riff-raff.) They came to resent her protection fees, as most everyone eventuallly would. The fact that an alien ruler was taxing (extorting?) them likely fueled their anger. Then, she felt she couldn't trust them, because of risk of roekarr infiltration. This distrust was probably a mistake, as it alienated many angara, making them feel like outsiders in their own home. It certainly played into the hands of the Collective, and likely the roekarr, as well. Sloane is not a cruel or evil person. She's not greedy. She's doing what she thinks is necessary to keep Kadara Port safe and running. (Note, I'm not claiming she's good; just not evil. She's ruthless.) Knowing Sloane's history and personality pretty well from "Nexus Uprising", I'd expect that the distrust, the protection fees and the drug trade will end as the stability brought by DITAEON's establishment ultimately makes such behavior unnecessary. If these decisions ever result in "save imports", I'd expect Sloane's Kadara to be an ally, and Reyes' Kadara to be a criminal stronghold.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 4:09:46 GMT
I don't trust either of them to keep their end of a bargain. But Reyes is at least rational. Sloane strikes me as the type of person who would murder twenty people merely because she had a headache. This would be completely out of character for Sloane. She's playing the part of the merciless hardass because that's what's required to keep Kadara safe and under control. She would kill 20 people to save Kadara Port; but not for petty reasons. I'm not sure if you read game novels, but "Nexus Uprising" is pretty good. It gives good perspective on the early days of the Nexus; on the key leaders (Sloane and Kandros, Addison, Tann, Kesh); and on the unfortunates that got caught up in the so-called "rebellion". A few asshats destroyed a great many lives by creating a situation beyond Tann's ability to process.
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Post by RakiaTime on Apr 25, 2017 5:30:33 GMT
Sloane is a angel compared to slimeball Reyes
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Post by kitcat1228 on Apr 25, 2017 7:18:49 GMT
As to her treatment of Kadara's angara, you have to pay attention to recognize the truth. Her people never fought the angara, excepting the roekarr. This is stated plainly. She traded with them. When she liberated Kadar from the kett, they welcomed her leadership. (Remember, these angara are not the same as those elsewhere. They're considered riff-raff.) They resented her protection fees, as most everyone eventuallly would. The fact that the alien ruler was taxing (extorting?) them likely field their anger. Then, she felt she couldn't trust them, because of risk of roekarr infiltration. This distrust was probably a mistake, as it alienated many angara, making them feel like outsiders in their own home. It certainly played into the hands of the Collective, and likely the roekarr, as well. There's a female Angara you can talk to in the badlands, who tells you Sloane kicked her out of the home that had been in her family for generations because she couldn't pay Sloane's protection fees. Other NPCs mention that the protection fees keep rising. The outcast recruiter tells you Angara are not allowed to join the Outcasts (only exiles from the Nexus). The Angara in the Collective base tells you she joined the collective because the outcasts don't allow angara and doesn't protect them, while the collective does. When you talk to Keema at Sloane's party, she tells you Sloane calls her an ambassador to pacify the Angara but she has no power. If you side with Reyes, and talk to her she mentions that Reyes listens to her far more than Sloane ever did, and she has influence with him. The doctor in the clinic in the slums says he receives funds and supplies from the collective/Charlatan, after Sloane kicked him out for refusing to help her develop the Oblivion drug. Apparently if you leave the drug formula with the outcast doctor, the drug continues to be sold, even if you pick Reyes, and if you take the formula to the Dr. in the clinic, the drug trade stops even if you side with Sloane. In the Collective base you can discover they are attempting to develop a poison to be used against the Outcasts (not to be sold in the streets). You can also discover they torture their prisoners (outcast members) so no the Charlatan and his Collective are not nice and I'd even say they're are viscous to their enemies, but to the average person on the street and definitely the Angara, the Collective is better.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 7:41:44 GMT
As to her treatment of Kadara's angara, you have to pay attention to recognize the truth. Her people never fought the angara, excepting the roekarr. This is stated plainly. She traded with them. When she liberated Kadar from the kett, they welcomed her leadership. (Remember, these angara are not the same as those elsewhere. They're considered riff-raff.) They resented her protection fees, as most everyone eventuallly would. The fact that the alien ruler was taxing (extorting?) them likely field their anger. Then, she felt she couldn't trust them, because of risk of roekarr infiltration. This distrust was probably a mistake, as it alienated many angara, making them feel like outsiders in their own home. It certainly played into the hands of the Collective, and likely the roekarr, as well. There's a female Angara you can talk to in the badlands, who tells you Sloane kicked her out of the home that had been in her family for generations because she couldn't pay Sloane's protection fees. Other NPCs mention that the protection fees keep rising. The outcast recruiter tells you Angara are not allowed to join the Outcasts (only exiles from the Nexus). The Angara in the Collective base tells you she joined the collective because the outcasts don't allow angara and doesn't protect them, while the collective does. When you talk to Keema at Sloane's party, she tells you Sloane calls her an ambassador to pacify the Angara but she has no power. If you side with Reyes, and talk to her she mentions that Reyes listens to her far more than Sloane ever did, and she has influence with him. The doctor in the clinic in the slums says he receives funds and supplies from the collective/Charlatan, after Sloane kicked him out for refusing to help her develop the Oblivion drug. Apparently if you leave the drug formula with the outcast doctor, the drug continues to be sold, even if you pick Reyes, and if you take the formula to the Dr. in the clinic, the drug trade stops even if you side with Sloane. In the Collective base you can discover they are attempting to develop a poison to be used against the Outcasts (not to be sold in the streets). You can also discover they torture their prisoners (outcast members) so no the Charlatan and his Collective are not nice and I'd even say they're are viscous to their enemies, but to the average person on the street and definitely the Angara, the Collective is better. I'm aware of all of this. Everything you posted relevant to the angara fits precisely with my post. Sloane had her reasons for partially excluding the angara, and it was likely an error. This was exploited by the Collective, who are concerned less with protecting Kadara Port and more with seizing it and making money. I disagree that the Collective is better for everyone. There's a mixed reception either way. Reyes does a better job of selling the Collective, no doubt; but ultimately they're a ruthless crime organization. While Sloane's rule is likewise ruthless, she at least has no agenda beyond protecting the citizens of Kadara Port. Sloane might be able to alter some of her more oppressive policies, as Ditaeon brings wealth and stability. The Collective will never have such a need, as they're a criminal business enterprise. Sloane is terrible at playing the political game, and comes off as more harsh, but she's a believer in the Initiative dream. Her foil is a crime lord out for personal and/or organizational gain. Reyes is likable, and a skilled BSer/diplomat, but he runs the mafia. Handing Kadara to the Collective is handing it to the mafia. It will come back to bite, and will only appear the "people friendly" choice for a time.
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Post by kitcat1228 on Apr 25, 2017 8:18:45 GMT
The reason I chose Reyes in the game was because Sloane isn't protecting the people of Kadara port. She's extorting them with rising protection fees and kicking them out (and having them beat or killed in the street) if they can't pay. While she's in charge it's Reyes and the Collective supporting the clinic and food wagon in the slums. And she develops a drug, Oblivion to get the people she supposedly protects addicted. When the Collective is in charge, instead of the Kadara citizen paying protection fees, he charges trade fees or tariffs (the Turian in Elaaden says the Charatan/Collective now takes a cut of her profits when she sells salvage there but she's still making a good living).
To me Sloane seems to run Kadara like a mafia don, not Reyes. Also I read the book before getting to Kadara. In the book, Sloane thinks about creating a better world/system than the Alliance and Tann's AI, then goes and extorts people and sells drugs, so I was very disillusioned with her "that's what you consider a better system of government!".
Other than torturing and killing their enemies, I don't see how the Collective is like the mafia. Sloane is the one to me that seems out for personal gain, not Reyes. I agree that Reyes is ruthless and this choice mighty very well bite me in the ass (actually that would be great because then the choice would have meaning) but can you explain to me why you think the Collective is like the mafia more than Sloane? I mean both are organizations of criminals, but one seems to do things for the little people and the other doesn't, so I picked the one that appears to help the little guy over the one that appears to screw them over.
If you pick Sloane does she change how she runs things or appear to want to amend her oppressive policies?
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Post by Link"Guess"ski on Apr 25, 2017 13:36:18 GMT
She says she still hates AI but respects you. Allows an outpost as long as she gets some of what is produced. She does assist in the final mission. Doesnt say much outside of just letting you know she is there assisting. Also Reyes always gets away even if you shoot him. So I imagine He will be back. BioWare Austin-based DLC. Just like The Descent.
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Post by deebo305 on Apr 25, 2017 15:26:34 GMT
On my first file I saved Sloane on impulse, I have to admit it was fun having a decision like that be based on interrupts. I didn't like both of them personally, but Sloane is easier to predict than Reyes. I had him pegged for the Charlatan in his first meeting and questioned everything he said to Ryder from that point on. Finding the notes in the Collective base about putting on their best behavior when the Pathfinder is around didn't do him any favors either. Personally I prefer my fairies microwaved. All you Sloane-supporting fairy-killers are missing some very essential, crucial, extremely vital, key information (I get redundant when I'm tired) that * clearly* proves Reyes is the best choice to support and letting Sloane live is canonically wrong. Reyes . . . is bangable.
Sloane, even if you save her, is not.
Seriously, do y'all even know how to Bioware??
This is literally the entire argument right here why most people like Reyes over Sloane, if Sloane was younger, less scarred & romancable she'd have just as many fans
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Apr 25, 2017 15:41:06 GMT
All you Sloane-supporting fairy-killers are missing some very essential, crucial, extremely vital, key information (I get redundant when I'm tired) that * clearly* proves Reyes is the best choice to support and letting Sloane live is canonically wrong. Reyes . . . is bangable.
Sloane, even if you save her, is not.
Seriously, do y'all even know how to Bioware??
This is literally the entire argument right here why most people like Reyes over Sloane, if Sloane was younger, less scarred & romancable she'd have just as many fans Yeah, I'm sure it's just her looks and not the fact that she's a petty warlord who gives literally no reason to save her /s Is this for real? I've yet to encounter any legitimate reason Sloane is better than Reyes .
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Post by bigdawg13 on Apr 25, 2017 15:44:25 GMT
Kadara is basically Omega of Andromeda. Sloane = Aria T'Loak I prefer an upfront honest mafia kingpin to a shadow corporation. Everything you've heard about the Collective could be a lie. Reyes might not even be the real charlatan. Both are criminal organizations. One's just up front about what they are whereas the other lies constantly. The only real crime Sloane committed is letting people do as they want. She gave them freedom to act how or why they wanted. My only regret is not being able to ask Sloane what Kadara's one rule is. Do her extorting the outpost is ok? Minute I heard that, she was dead. No regrets So taxation is not allowed? She's in charge and she taxes everyone. If they don't pay the taxes, then they have to leave. It's that simple. What does she do with that money? She protects Kadara port by killing Kett. She probably has to use the money to investigate the Collective now. It probably has not been cheap considering how toxic Kadara's water supply is and she has to maintain all the machines at the port.
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Post by bigdawg13 on Apr 25, 2017 15:45:08 GMT
Kadara is basically Omega of Andromeda. Sloane = Aria T'Loak I prefer an upfront honest mafia kingpin to a shadow corporation. Everything you've heard about the Collective could be a lie. Reyes might not even be the real charlatan. Both are criminal organizations. One's just up front about what they are whereas the other lies constantly. The only real crime Sloane committed is letting people do as they want. She gave them freedom to act how or why they wanted. My only regret is not being able to ask Sloane what Kadara's one rule is. Just so long as they thing they want is to pay her extortion fees. Go ahead and keep spouting the Collective party line. It's taxation because she's in charge.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Apr 25, 2017 15:51:05 GMT
Do her extorting the outpost is ok? Minute I heard that, she was dead. No regrets So taxation is not allowed? She's in charge and she taxes everyone. If they don't pay the taxes, then they have to leave. It's that simple. What does she do with that money? She protects Kadara port by killing Kett. She probably has to use the money to investigate the Collective now. It probably has not been cheap considering how toxic Kadara's water supply is and she has to maintain all the machines at the port. Reyes taxes trade which is better than public beatings. Also lol at thinking extortion is taxation
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 17:17:53 GMT
The reason I chose Reyes in the game was because Sloane isn't protecting the people of Kadara port. She's extorting them with rising protection fees and kicking them out (and having them beat or killed in the street) if they can't pay. While she's in charge it's Reyes and the Collective supporting the clinic and food wagon in the slums. And she develops a drug, Oblivion to get the people she supposedly protects addicted. When the Collective is in charge, instead of the Kadara citizen paying protection fees, he charges trade fees or tariffs (the Turian in Elaaden says the Charatan/Collective now takes a cut of her profits when she sells salvage there but she's still making a good living). To me Sloane seems to run Kadara like a mafia don, not Reyes. Also I read the book before getting to Kadara. In the book, Sloane thinks about creating a better world/system than the Alliance and Tann's AI, then goes and extorts people and sells drugs, so I was very disillusioned with her "that's what you consider a better system of government!". Other than torturing and killing their enemies, I don't see how the Collective is like the mafia. Sloane is the one to me that seems out for personal gain, not Reyes. I agree that Reyes is ruthless and this choice mighty very well bite me in the ass (actually that would be great because then the choice would have meaning) but can you explain to me why you think the Collective is like the mafia more than Sloane? I mean both are organizations of criminals, but one seems to do things for the little people and the other doesn't, so I picked the one that appears to help the little guy over the one that appears to screw them over. If you pick Sloane does she change how she runs things or appear to want to amend her oppressive policies? The brutal realities of life in exile, and the changes this wrought upon the exiles, is clear. Sloane is protecting the people of Kadara. Without her, all of the angara would be dead or exalted. They were corralled and being processed when she arrived. The Ai personnel would be dead or living in a totally lawless environment. Without Sloane's harsh rule, you get people like the cannibals in the badlands rising to the top. Sloane's rule is harsh, but it's keeping far worse at bay. Sloane willingly gave up her life, essentially, to save these fool exiles. It has not been ideal, but it's worked long enough for a Pathfinder to arrive and start repairing the damage. I'm not sure how you can't see that the Collective is an organized criminal syndicate. You fell for Reyes' charm and Collective propaganda too readily. Reyes seemingly isn't a terrible person, but he won't necessarily be in charge forever. Criminal enterprises always put profit ahead of the welfare of other beings. While Sloane's Kadara might gradually be reabsorbed into the Initiative, the Collective's Kadara never will. Criminal businesses don't just shutdown and cede power, thus ceasing to function as a business. The only "improvements" one can even claim to see is the pleasure of a few at being out from under Sloane's fees and oppressive order. Their opinions can't be given much weight, since they've not yet experienced the Collective's rule. "Give it 6 months, and then get back to me with an actual comparison, random NPC #26." Thats my two credits. We ultimately won't know what happens with either decision, until BioWare chooses to follow up with this story thread.
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Post by traks on Apr 25, 2017 17:21:10 GMT
Somebody actually saves that bitch? Fuck that, I wish I could have shot her myself. Of course I save her. Why should I let a random space pirate murder her? To the OP: she helps in the final mission. Though the fact that she can die probably means she is gone in a possible sequel anyways.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 17:25:40 GMT
So taxation is not allowed? She's in charge and she taxes everyone. If they don't pay the taxes, then they have to leave. It's that simple. What does she do with that money? She protects Kadara port by killing Kett. She probably has to use the money to investigate the Collective now. It probably has not been cheap considering how toxic Kadara's water supply is and she has to maintain all the machines at the port. Reyes taxes trade which is better than public beatings. Also lol at thinking extortion is taxation Reyes' people have been able to craftily keep their beatings out of the public eye, so far. They're just as brutal. Give them 6 months in power and see what happens. While "pay or get exiled" is a harsh policy, it's understandable under the circumstances. I don't approve, and would like to think I'd come up with something better; but desperate times lead to harsh policies. Reyes only has the option to "tax trade" because he's handed the opportunity by the establishment of Ditaeon. It's easy to come in under such circumstances and pretend to be a liberator or hero. There's no reason to believe that Sloane's regime wouldn't transition to something similar, in time. (If it had been an option initially, I'm sure she'd have gone that route.) She has to show strength, in the short term, and reassert her rule; but she was a true believer in the Initiative. I can't imagine her not working with them, in the long term. Her heavy hand will lighten as circumstances improve.
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Post by Lady Artifice on Apr 25, 2017 18:33:16 GMT
Just so long as they thing they want is to pay her extortion fees. Go ahead and keep spouting the Collective party line. It's taxation because she's in charge. Right, and the little factor that the punishment for failing to pay ranges from being physically assaulted to being exiled (aka go starve now) is really just perfectly acceptable levels of draconian insanity.
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Post by klijpope on Apr 25, 2017 19:29:15 GMT
Is this the best sub-plot of the game? I liked the way it developed organically; there's loads of interrupts (well four across the arc); it involves a romance; and the final decision is really nuanced. Sloane vs Reyes is a much, much more difficult choice than Samara vs Morinth, for instance. Only downside is otherwise Kadara is kinda annoying.
The choice is good because it is both personal and political, and the debate on this thread proves how rich a combination that can be. Other parts of the game attempt this in some way too (i.e.: Tann etc), but we get to see some real outcomes here, and good drama.
As an aside, this arc also has the best directed cut-scene sequences (both the party and the duel). They have a lead in, you're not just abruptly teleported to be in front of someone who immediately starts talking. There's consideration for movement and pacing, and there are edits that enhance the storytelling. There's a proper cut between the scene in the store room and then drinking the whiskey on the roof. And where you end up when it's all over, in a dark space looking out into light, standing above a precipice, lends it some majesty. It's a great transition from cut-scene to in-game.
Given that I'd read Nexus: Uprising I was far more sympathetic to Sloane Kelly's situation than I would have been if I had just trusted the Nexus accounts. My Sara still romanced Reyes despite never really trusting him, and by focusing on making sure I got the romance with Reyes before locking in with Jaal, his reveal as the Charlatan was a nice surprise (as in, as soon as I saw him there, I realised who he was, right along with Sara).
So saved Sloane, did not shoot Reyes. Hoping BW can do this sub-plot justice in future game or DLC. The fact that Reyes lives guarantees his return in some way. Though if Scott/Sara were to have the opportunity to rekindle anything with him, it would have to be away from their current LI. So 'Omega' style DLC with Reyes and another as temp squad mates (or maybe Reyes with Drack)?
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Post by orchid on Apr 25, 2017 19:57:09 GMT
Is this the best sub-plot of the game? I liked the way it developed organically; there's loads of interrupts (well four across the arc); it involves a romance; and the final decision is really nuanced. Sloane vs Reyes is a much, much more difficult choice than Samara vs Morinth, for instance. Only downside is otherwise Kadara is kinda annoying. So saved Sloane, did not shoot Reyes. Hoping BW can do this sub-plot justice in future game or DLC. The fact that Reyes lives guarantees his return in some way. Though if Scott/Sara were to have the opportunity to rekindle anything with him, it would have to be away from their current LI. So 'Omega' style DLC with Reyes and another as temp squad mates (or maybe Reyes with Drack)? It's easily the best sub-plot and choice-consequence hook IMO. I imagine a continuation would work like Tuchanka arc in ME3, so that whatever your previous choices were (preserving the cure or destroying it), the best result would come from sticking to them consistently. If you sided with Sloane, maybe Kaetus could be a temp squaddie?
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Post by omegaman63 on Apr 25, 2017 21:41:51 GMT
I chose Sloane, because she reminded me of Bhelen from DAO. both have an attitude with you and makes you not want them in power (especially if dwarven origin). Bhelen does everything good for the dwarves in the epilogue, so I can see sloane do the same thing in MEA 2.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Apr 25, 2017 21:47:09 GMT
The reason I chose Reyes in the game was because Sloane isn't protecting the people of Kadara port. She's extorting them with rising protection fees and kicking them out (and having them beat or killed in the street) if they can't pay. While she's in charge it's Reyes and the Collective supporting the clinic and food wagon in the slums. And she develops a drug, Oblivion to get the people she supposedly protects addicted. When the Collective is in charge, instead of the Kadara citizen paying protection fees, he charges trade fees or tariffs (the Turian in Elaaden says the Charatan/Collective now takes a cut of her profits when she sells salvage there but she's still making a good living). To me Sloane seems to run Kadara like a mafia don, not Reyes. Also I read the book before getting to Kadara. In the book, Sloane thinks about creating a better world/system than the Alliance and Tann's AI, then goes and extorts people and sells drugs, so I was very disillusioned with her "that's what you consider a better system of government!". Other than torturing and killing their enemies, I don't see how the Collective is like the mafia. Sloane is the one to me that seems out for personal gain, not Reyes. I agree that Reyes is ruthless and this choice mighty very well bite me in the ass (actually that would be great because then the choice would have meaning) but can you explain to me why you think the Collective is like the mafia more than Sloane? I mean both are organizations of criminals, but one seems to do things for the little people and the other doesn't, so I picked the one that appears to help the little guy over the one that appears to screw them over. If you pick Sloane does she change how she runs things or appear to want to amend her oppressive policies? The brutal realities of life in exile, and the changes this wrought upon the exiles, is clear. Sloane is protecting the people of Kadara. Without her, all of the angara would be dead or exalted. They were corralled and being processed when she arrived. The Ai personnel would be dead or living in a totally lawless environment. Without Sloane's harsh rule, you get people like the cannibals in the badlands rising to the top. Sloane's rule is harsh, but it's keeping far worse at bay. Sloane willingly gave up her life, essentially, to save these fool exiles. It has not been ideal, but it's worked long enough for a Pathfinder to arrive and start repairing the damage. I'm not sure how you can't see that the Collective is an organized criminal syndicate. You fell for Reyes' charm and Collective propaganda too readily. Reyes seemingly isn't a terrible person, but he won't necessarily be in charge forever. Criminal enterprises always put profit ahead of the welfare of other beings. While Sloane's Kadara might gradually be reabsorbed into the Initiative, the Collective's Kadara never will. Criminal businesses don't just shutdown and cede power, thus ceasing to function as a business. The only "improvements" one can even claim to see is the pleasure of a few at being out from under Sloane's fees and oppressive order. Their opinions can't be given much weight, since they've not yet experienced the Collective's rule. "Give it 6 months, and then get back to me with an actual comparison, random NPC #26." Thats my two credits. We ultimately won't know what happens with either decision, until BioWare chooses to follow up with this story thread. Then how would you react if Reyes ruling does wind up bing better? Also, "used to be good" doesn't make up for the shit she does. Ever heard of road to yell is paved with good intention? Any actual proof that the collective is worse than Sloane? I'd argue Reyes' greed guarantees peace because war with the Initiative would just bring misery but peace and reconciliation with the Initiative means more money and profit so I guarantee he'd be better simply for that.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 25, 2017 22:23:53 GMT
The brutal realities of life in exile, and the changes this wrought upon the exiles, is clear. Sloane is protecting the people of Kadara. Without her, all of the angara would be dead or exalted. They were corralled and being processed when she arrived. The Ai personnel would be dead or living in a totally lawless environment. Without Sloane's harsh rule, you get people like the cannibals in the badlands rising to the top. Sloane's rule is harsh, but it's keeping far worse at bay. Sloane willingly gave up her life, essentially, to save these fool exiles. It has not been ideal, but it's worked long enough for a Pathfinder to arrive and start repairing the damage. I'm not sure how you can't see that the Collective is an organized criminal syndicate. You fell for Reyes' charm and Collective propaganda too readily. Reyes seemingly isn't a terrible person, but he won't necessarily be in charge forever. Criminal enterprises always put profit ahead of the welfare of other beings. While Sloane's Kadara might gradually be reabsorbed into the Initiative, the Collective's Kadara never will. Criminal businesses don't just shutdown and cede power, thus ceasing to function as a business. The only "improvements" one can even claim to see is the pleasure of a few at being out from under Sloane's fees and oppressive order. Their opinions can't be given much weight, since they've not yet experienced the Collective's rule. "Give it 6 months, and then get back to me with an actual comparison, random NPC #26." Thats my two credits. We ultimately won't know what happens with either decision, until BioWare chooses to follow up with this story thread. Then how would you react if Reyes ruling does wind up bing better? Also, "used to be good" doesn't make up for the shit she does. Ever heard of road to yell is paved with good intention? Any actual proof that the collective is worse than Sloane? I'd argue Reyes' greed guarantees peace because war with the Initiative would just bring misery but peace and reconciliation with the Initiative means more money and profit so I guarantee he'd be better simply for that. I like Reyes, so I'd be happy to see his better nature win out over greed, duplicity and whatnot. He's instantly likable, even knowing he's a criminal. I hope we see him again. In that case, I'd mourn Sloane and what might've been. She was a hopeful idealist, like many Initiative personnel, at one point. I'd hate to see her story end in that way. Keeping them both alive is one more advantage to my siding with Sloane, I guess. The quote about good intentions is perfect for Sloane, and many Nexus exiles. This life is not what they had in mind when they joined the Ai, yet here they are. No, of course there's no proof that one is superior. It's all conjecture. We don't really get to see either under favorable circumstances. Reyes could use the Collective for good, I guess. This would mean altering its current goals and structure, though. They're professional criminals, and not all would take well to becoming a peaceful, sharing ally of the Nexus. In regard to both Sloane's Exiles and Reyes' Collective, in reminded of Bane Massani's words: "Most exiles are assholes; and not the likable kind." Reyes' a-holes seem to be more evolved, but it's hard to say, since they haven't been in power like Sloane's.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on Apr 25, 2017 22:45:54 GMT
Then how would you react if Reyes ruling does wind up bing better? Also, "used to be good" doesn't make up for the shit she does. Ever heard of road to yell is paved with good intention? Any actual proof that the collective is worse than Sloane? I'd argue Reyes' greed guarantees peace because war with the Initiative would just bring misery but peace and reconciliation with the Initiative means more money and profit so I guarantee he'd be better simply for that. I like Reyes, so I'd be happy to see his better nature win out over greed, duplicity and whatnot. He's instantly likable, even knowing he's a criminal. I hope we see him again. In that case, I'd mourn Sloane and what might've been. She was a hopeful idealist, like many Initiative personnel, at one point. I'd hate to see her story end in that way. Keeping them both alive is one more advantage to my siding with Sloane, I guess. The quote about good intentions is perfect for Sloane, and many Nexus exiles. This life is not what they had in mind when they joined the Ai, yet here they are. No, of course there's no proof that one is superior. It's all conjecture. We don't really get to see either under favorable circumstances. Reyes could use the Collective for good, I guess. This would mean altering its current goals and structure, though. They're professional criminals, and not all would take well to becoming a peaceful, sharing ally of the Nexus. In regard to both Sloane's Exiles and Reyes' Collective, in reminded of Bane Massani's words: "Most exiles are assholes; and not the likable kind." Reyes' a-holes seem to be more evolved, but it's hard to say, since they haven't been in power like Sloane's. Considering just that Reyes helps the angaran resistance plus donates food and medicine, I'd say he's better than Sloane
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