What happens if you save Sloane?

No.
It's sleezy and to some degree honorable pirate vs straightforward, hateful and cruel pirate.

I chose Sloane over Reyes actually. Even though I knew Sloane's gonna be a bitch to the Initiative, I thought to myself that Reyes would be far more dangerous in the future than Sloane would ever be.

It's just you know Sloane hates you and you know what to expect from her. Reyes, on the other hand, is always shady and always has plans you know nothing about.

Of these two, he seems traitorous to me.

So tortue is okay if the people aren't innocent?

Since when is Drack the arbiter of honor?

If Drack really cared about loyalty, he wouldn't have joined the Pathfinder and assisted the Nexus considering their outright betrayal to the Krogan.

I'm not sure... pretty much every Sloane defender says "she's  an asshole, but she's an honest asshole". The honesty is the reason they choose her over Reyes. Reyes is too shady nad unquantified for them to prefer him over her.  I don't believe people are avoiding her bad, they're merely debating it.

No, torture is never okay.
Drack is loyal to his clan but he also recognizes that working with the Nexus benefits both sides and war will not help anyone.




It's at least taking a leap of faith but you could argue that for both sides. Reyes stays friendly if you side with him. He makes good on his word and tells you why he kept his identity a secret. He helps you in the final mission as well.



She says she will consider it an act of war if the Initiative will settle on the planet. Ryder running around is okay for the time being but she is not amused they meddle in the planet's business.
After Kaetus has been beaten and she doesn't trust her own gang anymore she kind of blackmails Ryder into helping her deal with the Charlatan. "If you want an outpost, be at Draullir". But that only happens once her back is against the wall.

Many people ignore that she is torturing people as well in her prison but love to point out the Collective is doing it. The Oblivion is a source of income for her. That she had this developed is pretty shady. I know the distribution continues either way if you don't shut it down but the root of it lies with the Outcasts.

I hope you ran around the Port and Ditaeon afterwards to see the population's reactions. There is good and bad for both sides.
The honesty argument comes up every time. So she would shoot you in the face and he would stab you in the back. Either way, you'd be dead.
I also hope it was in the fine print or you expected it that she screws over the quarter master at the outpost and demands higher than usual fees for Nexus cargo at the Port. After all, it would make it honourable and straightforward, wouldn't it?

This questline sparks lots of discussions, BW did this pretty well. There is also another thread about this topic, in case you haven't seen it yet: bsn.boards.net/thread/9691/who-rules-kadara-port.

Calling her "honest" is avoiding her bad. To look at someone charging what they call "protection fees" and concocting an elaborate drug industry to make sure people are dependent on your leadership and saying, "that person seems really on the up and up," requires some serious rose tinting.

Reyes has this Illusive Man vibe so I wouldn't trust shit coming from this guy.

What makes me wonder.. If Sloane never invited you to help, would he still be undercover lying to you while his "front" claims the role?

Also, he didn't seem to plan on telling you. He had Sloane set up and wasn't going to let the opportunity slip by even if it was going to show his cards to Ryder. If he didn't have plot armor, my Ryder would have not missed the kill shot. At least on my first PT. He sent an angry email. Screw that, you used me and lied to me. Patch your wound up, and come find me. Sloane and I are waiting.

Of course he would not have told you. He didn't trust you would think he's not pure evil. Sure, he's a shady bastard but how he evolves depends on the writers. Right now, he is definitely the better alternative to sloane if you care about relations with the angara, about people not being extorted and exiled, or want to have some semblance of a society that hasn't gone to total shit.

He can go either way but for now, he helps. Also, as far as using you, the only thing he 'uses' you for is to solve a string of murders. Those murders impact the safety of kadara and its citizens but those murders are not his doing. He's just the one who cares enough to solve them which also happens to not be good for sloane. Who cares? She wouldn't be bothered to stop them and roekaar wouldn't even be thriving if it weren't in part for her own behavior toward the angara. I'd take that kind of being used to being treated like shit by her then dragged along to keep her alive when she suddenly needs you because her own people can't stand her so much that they beat down her turian bow to stick it to her.

Maybe reyes will become an illusive man monster. I sure hope not because we already know the shitty writing that comes from that turn. But for now, yes, he is a shady bastard, but in many instances he is better than her and in no instances that anyone has noted is he actually worse unless you would rather have someone treat you like shit to your face and be comfortable with  that because you can call them 'honest'. 

Sloane  even threatens to raze your outpost to the ground early on when she hears of you being out in the badlands and mentions about an outpost. Even that as in idle threat back then should be  taken seriously. My ryder remembers. She would never have considered the outpost or would have bombed it if you didn't save her ass. So really you have to do her more of a favor and get used more by her than you do with reyes who just wants to stop some murders.

That's up for debate. Keema wanted him to tell Ryder. He could have still come around afterwards.



She drove the kett out of the Port, she didn't build it. It's still one of the better things she has done.

The reason the Initiative want a settlement is because Kadara is one of the few viable planets. People were able to live there even before the water was purified. It has natural resources, too. With Meridian active more worlds will become fit for colonization but this will take time. If you listen to the background chatter after the oupost is set up, some exiles actually join it. Those who were not part of the uprising but got caught up in it.

Yeah, I just wanted to clarify it .




Oh from Sloane's POV, right, I read it as from the exile's as a whole. Sure, she's not thrilled about the AI. Not too surprising after what went down.

Yes, she and Morda need these favours to let go of their grudges a bit. It's not totally incomprehensive that they have them but they shouldn't let them threaten the whole Andromeda undertaking. It's their own lives on the line as well.



That's what makes it a good and interesting questline. You have to take a gamble. Even if I'm more in favour of Reyes taking over I can think of reasons for Sloane too. If one of them was only good and the other only bad it would be more boring.



Me too.
I hope they take the conflict if unresolved into account. For Kadara as a whole and in relation to the outpost. I wondered if they will make outposts canon (except Elaaden) to streamline it a bit. Activating Meridian can be explained as a shortcut to resetting the vaults manually which makes the environment problems a non-issue.

I can't answer to the OP (haven't saved Sloane), but reading the discussion is entertaining.

Shouldn't this thread be merged with "Kadara - leadership choices", by the way?


Edit. The VA of DAII protagonist and Reyes. Got it.