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Post by orchid on May 1, 2017 20:16:45 GMT
The Charlatan is master manipulator. It's a pretty nutty scenario that Sloane, who rules by violence and intimidation, gets manipulated so profoundly that she can't trust her own guards or the one outsider she picks to back her up... and then manages to fall for the sniper trap out of desperation (a thousand cuts). True, but it's not very surprising that he succeeds. One of the first things Ryder learns about her is that she's a hothead. I mentioned this in the Reyes thread, but Reyes' tactics reminded me of Patriarch's speech from ME2; the one where he instructed his audience to first go after an enemy's family, and then wait for the enemy go come at you stupid. Sloane is a powder keg that can go off in any number of ways, and this is easy to exploit but hard to control. Sloane has more presence, sure, but how is the Collective decentralized? Reyes seems to keep a close eye on all operations, has build mystique and a legend around the Charlatan persona that has his people in awe or at least commands respect, and has his men follow minute instructions. Unless I remember wrong, the Collective guy at Kralla's says that he personally chooses each member that gets approached to join, too. If they spread outside Kadara in serious manner, Reyes will have trouble, but as of the game's time, the Collective seems very tightly controlled by one man.
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Post by roseofquartz on May 1, 2017 23:51:09 GMT
But I wonders how many claim from Reyes is true. Is she really planning to wage war? How is the living condition and faction conflict in Kadara? Will she help in final mission and what will she say in epilogue? I can't find any video which show these. No, she shows no sign of planning to wage war against the Initiative or the angara. The only people she has in her sights is the Kett and the Collective. There is no change in living conditions compared to Reyes being in charge. The only difference is some ambient dialogue and the Collective are hostile towards you. She helps in the final mission and gives you a tsundere-type compliment. I found it interesting because I hadn't finished the Kadara plot in my first playthrough by the time I got to Meridian, but Sloane still came to lend a hand. She's an interesting character, but morally speaking, I think she's a shitty choice for leader of Kadara port. But maybe she needed to be given how shitty the rest of the exiles were.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 2, 2017 0:08:55 GMT
No, she shows no sign of planning to wage war against the Initiative or the angara. The only people she has in her sights is the Kett and the Collective. There is no change in living conditions compared to Reyes being in charge. The only difference is some ambient dialogue and the Collective are hostile towards you. She helps in the final mission and gives you a tsundere-type compliment. I found it interesting because I hadn't finished the Kadara plot in my first playthrough by the time I got to Meridian, but Sloane still came to lend a hand. She's an interesting character, but morally speaking, I think she's a shitty choice for leader of Kadara port. But maybe she needed to be given how shitty the rest of the exiles were. Exactly. If she really wanted war against the Initiative, she would have sat out the Battle of Meridian so that all her enemies would either wipe themselves out or at least be made a lot weaker. Yet despite having no reason to help, she does.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on May 2, 2017 1:44:30 GMT
I found it interesting because I hadn't finished the Kadara plot in my first playthrough by the time I got to Meridian, but Sloane still came to lend a hand. She's an interesting character, but morally speaking, I think she's a shitty choice for leader of Kadara port. But maybe she needed to be given how shitty the rest of the exiles were. Exactly. If she really wanted war against the Initiative, she would have sat out the Battle of Meridian so that all her enemies would either wipe themselves out or at least be made a lot weaker. Yet despite having no reason to help, she does. Doesn't the Outcast codex say Outcasts raid Initiative ships and outposts ? Also, she straight up says she'll kill the kadara outpost if she feels like it. How is that helping?
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 2, 2017 1:45:31 GMT
Exactly. If she really wanted war against the Initiative, she would have sat out the Battle of Meridian so that all her enemies would either wipe themselves out or at least be made a lot weaker. Yet despite having no reason to help, she does. Doesn't the Outcast codex say Outcasts raid Initiative ships and outposts ? Also, she straight up says she'll kill the kadara outpost if she feels like it. How is that helping? The current discussion is about the Battle of Meridian.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 2, 2017 2:18:36 GMT
Doesn't the Outcast codex say Outcasts raid Initiative ships and outposts ? Also, she straight up says she'll kill the kadara outpost if she feels like it. How is that helping? The current discussion is about the Battle of Meridian. Yet the whole topic is not about the Battle of Meridian. We get it. You hate Reyes, but Sloane is not a good person either, by any means.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 2, 2017 2:20:17 GMT
The current discussion is about the Battle of Meridian. Yet the whole topic is not about the Battle of Meridian. We get it. You hate Reyes, but Sloane is not a good person either, by any means. I know. But the post they quoted was so their response had nothing to do with that discussion. I've never once said that Sloane is a good person. I've just said she is better than Reyes.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 2, 2017 2:22:55 GMT
Yet the whole topic is not about the Battle of Meridian. We get it. You hate Reyes, but Sloane is not a good person either, by any means. I know. But the post they quoted was so their response had nothing to do with that discussion. I've never once said that Sloane is a good person. I've just said she is better than Reyes. Eh, that is a matter of opinion. Public beatings end, the Angara are in control of Kadara, and drugs aren't sold in the streets as much as when Sloane was leader. Just because Reyes is shady and promiscuous doesn't make him a worse person.
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Post by pessimistpanda on May 2, 2017 2:24:34 GMT
I know. But the post they quoted was so their response had nothing to do with that discussion. I've never once said that Sloane is a good person. I've just said she is better than Reyes. Eh, that is a matter of opinion. Public beatings end, the Angara are in control of Kadara, and drugs aren't sold in the streets as much as when Sloane was leader. Just because Reyes is shady and promiscuous doesn't make him a worse person. I do love a bit of shade.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 2, 2017 2:28:52 GMT
I know. But the post they quoted was so their response had nothing to do with that discussion. I've never once said that Sloane is a good person. I've just said she is better than Reyes. Eh, that is a matter of opinion. Public beatings end, the Angara are in control of Kadara, and drugs aren't sold in the streets as much as when Sloane was leader. Just because Reyes is shady and promiscuous doesn't make him a worse person. Public beatings end under Sloane after High Noon, the Oblivion trade is never started up by her again(and continues if not stopped under Reyes), and Keema is just a puppet of Reyes. Never said him being promiscuous makes him a worse person. Do we even know his sexual habits? Seems a weird thing to bring up.
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 2, 2017 2:31:38 GMT
Eh, that is a matter of opinion. Public beatings end, the Angara are in control of Kadara, and drugs aren't sold in the streets as much as when Sloane was leader. Just because Reyes is shady and promiscuous doesn't make him a worse person. Public beatings end under Sloane after High Noon, the Oblivion trade is never started up by her again(and continues if not stopped under Reyes), and Keema is just a puppet of Reyes. Never said him being promiscuous makes him a worse person. Do we even know his sexual habits? Seems a weird thing to bring up. You act like you have never thrown shade about Reyes before. People do have memories, but, alas, go ahead and believe Sloane was the right choice when the Codex entry flat out says your outpost will be destroyed by her people.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 2:37:29 GMT
Yeah Sloane is just the wrong choice. Not even a renegade choice just a doomed to failure choice.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 2, 2017 2:38:07 GMT
Public beatings end under Sloane after High Noon, the Oblivion trade is never started up by her again(and continues if not stopped under Reyes), and Keema is just a puppet of Reyes. Never said him being promiscuous makes him a worse person. Do we even know his sexual habits? Seems a weird thing to bring up. You act like you have never thrown shade about Reyes before. People do have memories, but, alas, go ahead and believe Sloane was the right choice when the Codex entry flat out says your outpost will be destroyed by her people. Of course I have thrown shade at Reyes. Why shouldn't I? It just isn't the kind of shade you seem to be referring to, like that promiscuous thing which I'm still confused was even brought up when I never mentioned that. Link to the Codex entry please?
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Post by Obiwancomeblowme on May 2, 2017 2:46:32 GMT
You act like you have never thrown shade about Reyes before. People do have memories, but, alas, go ahead and believe Sloane was the right choice when the Codex entry flat out says your outpost will be destroyed by her people. Of course I have thrown shade at Reyes. Why shouldn't I? It just isn't the kind of shade you seem to be referring to, like that promiscuous thing which I'm still confused was even brought up when I never mentioned that. Link to the Codex entry please? I don't know where to find Codex entries other than in the game. Next time I load it up, I will look, but the game guide did make it seem like if I didn't choose Reyes, the outpost would not happen safely.
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on May 2, 2017 2:53:45 GMT
Of course I have thrown shade at Reyes. Why shouldn't I? It just isn't the kind of shade you seem to be referring to, like that promiscuous thing which I'm still confused was even brought up when I never mentioned that. Link to the Codex entry please? I don't know where to find Codex entries other than in the game. Next time I load it up, I will look, but the game guide did make it seem like if I didn't choose Reyes, the outpost would not happen safely. Strange, I'm looking at the game guide with the High Noon quest and it never says anything like that. It just talks about how both will let you set up an outpost on Kadara. Then there are people like Dr. Nakamoto who mentions that he hates to admit it but Sloane is keeping her word about protecting your outpost, fighting back attacks on it from the Collective and other exile gangs. I wonder if the Codex changes depending on your choice.
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Post by thesupremedarkone on May 2, 2017 3:28:45 GMT
I don't know where to find Codex entries other than in the game. Next time I load it up, I will look, but the game guide did make it seem like if I didn't choose Reyes, the outpost would not happen safely. Strange, I'm looking at the game guide with the High Noon quest and it never says anything like that. It just talks about how both will let you set up an outpost on Kadara. Then there are people like Dr. Nakamoto who mentions that he hates to admit it but Sloane is keeping her word about protecting your outpost, fighting back attacks on it from the Collective and other exile gangs. I wonder if the Codex changes depending on your choice. Codex entries do change based on choices
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Post by jennica on May 2, 2017 8:16:58 GMT
Exactly. If she really wanted war against the Initiative, she would have sat out the Battle of Meridian so that all her enemies would either wipe themselves out or at least be made a lot weaker. Yet despite having no reason to help, she does. Doesn't the Outcast codex say Outcasts raid Initiative ships and outposts ? Also, she straight up says she'll kill the kadara outpost if she feels like it. How is that helping? Collective was stealing from Nexus too tho.
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Post by laxian on May 2, 2017 17:49:22 GMT
Somebody actually saves that bitch? Fuck that, I wish I could have shot her myself. I did (first run only, I'll probably change that in all my future runs...I don't like her, but I thought letting her get sniped was wrong, too! IMHO Reyes should have done this right: Either take her out himself or don't bother with this and just take over ) Yeah, I'd have loved to have her either dragged away in chains or to shoot her myself (note: What do you have to do to get that trailer scene where you get the interrupt to take a weapon from one of her guards? I never got that ) greetings LAX
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Post by dmc1001 on May 2, 2017 18:18:02 GMT
Somebody actually saves that bitch? Fuck that, I wish I could have shot her myself. I did (first run only, I'll probably change that in all my future runs...I don't like her, but I thought letting her get sniped was wrong, too! IMHO Reyes should have done this right: Either take her out himself or don't bother with this and just take over ) Yeah, I'd have loved to have her either dragged away in chains or to shoot her myself (note: What do you have to do to get that trailer scene where you get the interrupt to take a weapon from one of her guards? I never got that ) greetings LAX Reyes might not be a match for her and so sticks to his strength, which is fighting from the shadows. I think to get the interrupt scene it requires full on nasty attitude to Sloane so that she sends her pet turian to escort you out. Haven't yet done it myself but I recently started a third PT and this one is less emotional than the prior two. Going to give it a shot.
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Post by yokyok on May 3, 2017 10:43:29 GMT
Who knows how much she got paid offscreen for that help in the final mission. You really didn't think she helped you out of the kindness of her heart, did you?
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Post by kevpool184 on May 3, 2017 11:42:01 GMT
I did (first run only, I'll probably change that in all my future runs...I don't like her, but I thought letting her get sniped was wrong, too! IMHO Reyes should have done this right: Either take her out himself or don't bother with this and just take over ) Yeah, I'd have loved to have her either dragged away in chains or to shoot her myself (note: What do you have to do to get that trailer scene where you get the interrupt to take a weapon from one of her guards? I never got that ) greetings LAX Reyes might not be a match for her and so sticks to his strength, which is fighting from the shadows. I think to get the interrupt scene it requires full on nasty attitude to Sloane so that she sends her pet turian to escort you out. Haven't yet done it myself but I recently started a third PT and this one is less emotional than the prior two. Going to give it a shot. This is correct. When you meet her the first time you gotta go full "badass" to get the interrupt.
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Post by kalasaurus on May 3, 2017 19:58:06 GMT
My Ryder romanced Reyes, and then did a 180 and decided to save Sloane after they were total b****es to each other the whole time. Then, she shot Reyes in the back as he ran away, because... I don't know... I didn't make rational choices my first playthrough.
Reyes sends an email that amounts to "wtf?" afterwards, though. No follow up on his whereabouts, but Sloane kept saying she's going to find him eventually... and nothing happens. She helps in the final battle and the people at the outpost on Kadara complain about her protection fees.
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Post by laxian on May 4, 2017 9:41:54 GMT
Reyes might not be a match for her and so sticks to his strength, which is fighting from the shadows. I think to get the interrupt scene it requires full on nasty attitude to Sloane so that she sends her pet turian to escort you out. Haven't yet done it myself but I recently started a third PT and this one is less emotional than the prior two. Going to give it a shot. Playing to your strengths is ok - but not when you are the one who challenged someone to a duel, it's underhand and dishonorable Also: Is Reyes (remember, the guy is a smuggler, a mercenary and a general scumbag - kind of a mix of Lando Calrissian and Han Solo, but sleazier and more dishonorable than either of them) better than Sloan? I mean Sloan is kind of "the devil you know" - while Reyes is the cat in the bag and you don't know where you stand with him and how he will treat people (he sure as hell doesn't sound like the guy that will reform the outcasts, punish the guilty and start building a true government that's elected (a democracy!) greetings LAX
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2017 23:52:07 GMT
People like to pretend things change if you save Sloane or let Reyes kill her but not a single shit changes. I guess it comes down to which character you like more, it was Sloane for me
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Post by Element Zero on May 5, 2017 5:42:56 GMT
For those interested who've yet to encounter it, I've found a new Collective murder-hole. After choosing to save Sloane, revisit the Collective Base in Draullir. I did so near the very end of PT#3, after dealing with the salarian traitor. The possibility slapped me in the face, for the first time.
After cleansing the base of remaining riff-raff, I poked around and found the charnel pit. The holding cells area is full of people the Collective executed with point-blank shots in the skull. It's right in line with their murder-hole in the southeast of the badlands. Sloane has become a rough-neck enforcer, but in pursuit of keeping murder and anarchy at bay. These guys are ruthless murderers and criminals-for-profit. I can't understand how anyone can think these guys are a good choice for caretakers of Kadara Port. You're just begging for trouble giving the Port to them.
Ultimately, it probably won't change MEA2 much, either way; but I don't make RP-decisions with that in mind.
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