What happens if you save Sloane?

So where is this at? I did the collective base after choosing not to save Sloane, because my Ryder romanced Reyes. I remember the holding cells where they were beating people. I don't remember seeing a pit where people were executed? I did just find their torture building since a guy posted a video on Youtube of its location and it was more on the SE side. 

You're right. I know exactly where it is, and am not sure why I typed southwest. I'll edit that typo now.

I had trouble finding the building too; it would help if the map locations got named once you've been to them. On that map you posted, I believe the building is n:o 36 ("corpse and datapad"). The datapad is really a recording, but the location is about right (short distance to the north/north-west from the Turian's home). There's corridor with padded walls, then a room with a secret wall you need to scan to see it can be opened.

Ah, nice.. I'll search for it when I get to kadara. Deleted all my savefiles to clean them up.Some were corrupted..'*sigh*

I dont think the Kvastyr is for drugs.. Its for poison. Not really better,  just a different usage.  
But killing people with toxins..not even cleaner than guns *yiesh*

Yeh. he doesn't steal? I mean you can hear a NPC dialogue where two talk about whether the Outpost would miss one little crate. One of them says it would be a bad idea, even if teh outpost diosnt notices, the charlatan will and they dont want to have them angry.  
So at least that isnt correct per direct "text" ingame.  

I also think ist weird that Kaetus jailer seems somewhat empathetic to him on that datapad and wishes he'd just open up and stop starving himself. 

I mean its choice between cholera or dysentery.. Both shit. 
Okay thats not 100% correct, one shit is nicer to angara and because I like angara and seems like Keema and Evfra are more pro Charlatan I choose him..
He also supports the resistance in genereal because he isnt stupid, he knows Kadara is/started angaran and to behave like Sloane, as if she's the queen but behaves like an Invader..isnt really the most healthiest thing longterm..
I mean Keema tells you her people wont be mollified forever with parties. Reyes seems to have better longterm political ideas and knows how to get supporters through behavior-like  paying Nakamoto and that soup kitchen and not pressing protection money from the people who lives on Kadara even before Sloane came.   

Its also funny that both Keema and Zia hint that hes into you..Like afterwards Keema tells you that he wanted to tell you but just hadnt the quads to do it because..well he knew he was too deep into his own lies of omission..
(I mean thats really human, starts small and the longer such a charade goes on the harder it becomes tos top it because stopping it would acknowledge the wrong behavior.. So thats at least vaguely  entertaining to see him squirm and idk, I feel the writers did write him as at least infatuated with ryder, so dressing him down because of his lies is always a fun activity. 

if you can write a comment on that site and they will add it if they havent already?

Man, I really love Reyes and gladly side with him every time, but this defense is weak. Especially since in an earlier post one of your key arguments was horror at Sloane's thugs breaking all three alien fingers of a prisoner. The Outcast victim had his fingernails pulled and limbs fractured. So I can't really see "oh lol" here.

The torture house also has had more than one victim there as witnessed by the blood, so even if this one torture session was a noble attempt at rescue (it wasn't), there were others. Smart people like Reyes' intelligence agents should also know well enough that torture doesn't even work, so the scene works as a showcase of how bad the turf war's gotten (no wonder Sloane and Reyes both want it stopped) and how the Collective favours being secretive.

I know you also said they're both bad and acknowledge the Collective's bad sides, but this post just jumped at me as whitewashy. Personally I find the torture room the strongest argument against Reyes (while the "honorable duel" is just laughable to me). Of course, this is another thing that everybody will have their own preferences to.

Read the novel, Nexus Uprisng, it makes you sympathize with her, and I've been sooooooo challenged in those two seconds that ultimately I saved her hoping for a change of heart.

There is a side quest on Elaaden that explores this. Lexi ponders how so many people could have become like they are and asks you to help her investigate. You discover that some people got a mental condition from the prolonged stasis that causes them to be like this, and you help her develop something to counteract it so others when they are awakened won't suffer the same condition. 

Yeah, with you on this.  Definitely helps to understand more about her character, which is something you cannot glean from the game.  On first PT, I chose Sloane simply because Reyes just did not seem trustworthy, the silver tongued devil.  But, I will choose him in current PT to experience that line.

Parts of it are easier to explain/rationalize than others. The basic version is that Kadara exists by what the exiles carried out with them and what Exile-sympathizers on the Nexus smuggled out to them, and the Kett just don't care because the Archon is playing a long game. There's actually a quest- the mining scanning thing that takes you near the Collective base- that deals with what Kadara's economy is, and how it's changing. As I understand it...


The Kett allow(ed) Kadara to stand because, after Sloane seized it, it was too much trouble to take back and the Archon is something of an idiot/pursuing a gambit that would make it irrelevant. Kett strategy in the sector isn't actually a war of conquest/occupation, but culling/harvesting/researching the Remnant. Much of this is because of the Archon's obsession with the Remnant, and his ambition to blackmail all the sector at once. Kadara is allowed to exist for the same reason the Angara and Resistance are despite the Kett having space-naval superiority and the ability to drop rocks on everyone: it will fall when the Sector as a whole falls, and it's beyond what the Kett/Archon are willing to expend in the interim.


Kadara's economy isn't exactly 'stable', but it seems to have evolved as such:

Kadara starts as the Black Sheep of the Angara. It's a place that criminals and deserters from the Resistance goes, and doesn't answer to Aya's sovereignity. The Resistance doesn't even get reinforcements after a point (at least post-liberation), showing a sort of disassociation from the broader Aya/Resistance sovereignity.

At the same time, though, Kadara has trade with the Angara- creating a trading port tied into the broader Angara economy. Because Kadara is already the black sheep/leery of the Aya authority, it's implicitly already a black market haven. Kadara exists as a world, but because of the difficulties and costs of living on it- possible, but requiring specialized infrastructure for water- most of the population will be at Kadara Port/equivalent mountain tops. Mountain tops limit space and resources, unsavory suspects suggest smuggling, and bam- already an indication of a pirate haven of sorts.

So- pre-Kett- Kadara is probably already a black-market smuggling economy, just one within the Angaran eonomic sphere.


Then comes the Kett.

Kett occupation pretty much flattens the Angaran polity on the world, whatever it was. Occupation, abduction, processing. No economy worth the name, except maybe some blockade runners/resistance efforts. However, the Kett don't loot the place because they don't care, leaving the wealth where it is.



Then comes Slaone- which is around the same time/possibly after the Pathfinder's arrival at Aya. Sloane comes with a lot of hungry, desperate people with enough guns to kick out the Kett. At this time the Nexus probably doesn't even know Kadara exists, or the status of the exiles.

Sloane liberates Kadara from the Kett, and then installs herself by right of conquest/liberator/she has the guns and doesn't intend to leave. There's no Angaran polity to contest her- already killed by the Kett- and by the time Aya knows, Sloane's already installed herself and started fortifications. It'd be too much trouble to remove her, and it's not clear the Angara of Kadara want Aya to intervene, and Sloane starts a relatively pro-Angara policy, including letting the Angara resume flights to and from Kadara, reconnecting Kadara to the Angaran economy. Because of the ambiguity of Kadara's status- and Sloane not asking questions as long as she gets paid- Kadara's trade economy works on the Angara grey/black market.

At this time, Kadara starts to resume as a trading port- and Sloane starts a taxation system. Protection payments/rent are collected to provide for the proto-state. Money collected is spent on the economy for necessities to ensure stability. Employment is offered for people willing to trade (merchants), provide services (bars and dancers), or provide security (joining the Outcasts/going mercenary). There's not much of a social safety net, but it's poor place. Basic economy- and Angara, who have their money from the Kett, are slowly taxed of it in exchange for staying.

BUT! Sloan brings something else- Nexus resources. Not just the stuff the Exiles left with, but things stolen since then as well.

As our favorite Turian squadmate of the galaxy makes clear, the Nexus is a leaking sieve when it comes to supplies. The Nexus has a lot stockpiled for the future colony development- but people who know where to look or who to talk to can get stuff they're technically not supposed to have. Exiles maintaining ties with the Nexus (through smugglers like ours truly or sympathizers or certain corrupt administrators) can tap into the Nexus black market. That market can reach Kadara, where as long as they pay Sloane's fees they can do whatever. From there, the black market connects to Aya/the Angara.

Now, Kadara is again a trading port- uniquely connecting the Nexus/Angara economic systems and black markets. Angara trade with the Angara. Nexus trades with Exiles. Kadara is where Nexus and Angara co-exist for free and informal trading outside government oversight.

Now, that's not to say that the governments don't know about it- the Resistance hires Reyes as a spy and the smugglers know people who know people on the Nexus- but they can't/won't do anything about it.

The Resistance won't do anything about Sloane's regime. It's arguable that they could, but Sloane is clearly militant and defensive and dug in for a fight. The cost would be high... and the Resistance's own analysts wave Kadara off as a lost cause. Sloane isn't keeping things like recruitment from happening, it's just that no one is volunteering. Taking Kadara would be high cost, possibly threaten ties with the Milky Way new arrivals/new allies, and Sloane... isn't that much of a problem for the Angara anyway. They're not trade protectionists. They aren't insulted by trading- and it's the Collective who's more of a criminal threat. Sloane isn't actively oppressing the Angara. They might not like the situation, but beyond the extremists it's not that big a deal.

The Nexus, however, can't do anything- and they tried. If you read Sloane's entry, it basically says that Nexus strike teams have been fighting the Outcasts and trying to kill her for awhile, and- iirc- even going so far as to post a bounty for her. Sloane fought them off- and on Kadara, it's not hard to see why. The Nexus has no war ships. It's basically limited to strike teams- and Sloane has her own infantry muscle, and is dug in. Things are tense/relations cold, unless/until the Pathfinder comes in to fix things.

So the Nexus has a state of undeclared quasi-war with Kadara Port- but lacks the navy to enforce it/win it. In the meantime, smugglers steal nexus supplies, and either send them to Kadara to be traded for Angara goods/credits or send them out of sympathy for the Exiles in general. This is the stage Kadara is at when the game arrives.



Kadara starts another major transition with the arrival/help of the Pathfinder, which is changing the economi foundation away from the 'loot the nexus' strategy.

With the Vault active, the planet is habitable as a whole. Kadara can expand- and the first colony is a mining colony. We also do the side quest for the Salarian who tells us that mining will be the next big thing, once scavenge/stealing the Nexus surplusses runs out. Kadara Port will now be shipping raw materials, on top of the already existing black/grey market connections.

I just wanted to add to this part, I think Sloane and the others arrive on Kadara earlier, before the game starts I'd say.
Daanfre, the angara on Aya who scans you, tells you she scanned exiles before on other colonies (Kadara? Very likely). If you talk to Paaran Shie after Evfra sends you to Kadara Port, Ryder asks why she didn't say anything about it when the Tempest first arrived and she responds they didn't realize there was a difference between the Initiative and the exiles and thus Ryder would already know. They had already encountered the exiles before (it's still first contact for Aya, as the planet is hidden, and its general population).
It's hard to gauge how much time passes but rescuing the Moshae and the business on Havarl should not take too long. And then you are sent off to Kadara already. Seems a bit short for everything to develop. Reyes has worked as a resistance spy a few months since the kett had been driven out.
If the exiles arrive on Kadara before the game, it gives the Outcasts, the Collective and the animosity between them as well as everything else that happens there enough time grow.

To be fair, that dialogue doesn't have to come up by the time you have to choose to save her or not. It only comes up after you talk to her enough times before High Noon.