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Post by Element Zero on Apr 26, 2017 2:11:36 GMT
It's not really Reyes that concerns me, though. It's the Collective. They're a criminal organization; and those are rarely altruistic. At some point their interests will collide with Nexus interests. Also, Reyes may not always be in charge. I just prefer to bet on Sloane, based upon her history, rather than the Collective. They're organized crime, and therefore very uncertain allies.
I hope that we get to see Kadara Port in the future. It would be interesting to see any differences, after all of these lively discussions. Likely, there wouldn't be much difference, based upon developmental resource allocation.
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Post by riotinducer on Apr 26, 2017 5:16:28 GMT
I chose Sloane, because she reminded me of Bhelen from DAO. both have an attitude with you and makes you not want them in power (especially if dwarven origin). Bhelen does everything good for the dwarves in the epilogue, so I can see sloane do the same thing in MEA 2. There is definitely shades of that, I guess we'll see down the road if it is another Bhelen bait and switch. For my part I let Sloane eat that bullet. From my Ryder's POV the most important thing was reconciling the Initiative with the Exiles and Sloane was never going to do that, she was far too bitter and spiteful. Not that Sloane didn't have good reasons for being the way she was, but holding on to grudges is a detriment to everyone.
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Post by duskwanderer on Apr 26, 2017 11:09:16 GMT
I don't trust either of them to keep their end of a bargain. But Reyes is at least rational. Sloane strikes me as the type of person who would murder twenty people merely because she had a headache. This would be completely out of character for Sloane. She's playing the part of the merciless hardass because that's what's required to keep Kadara safe and under control. She would kill 20 people to save Kadara Port; but not for petty reasons. I'm not sure if you read game novels, but "Nexus Uprising" is pretty good. It gives good perspective on the early days of the Nexus; on the key leaders (Sloane and Kandros, Addison, Tann, Kesh); and on the unfortunates that got caught up in the so-called "rebellion". A few asshats destroyed a great many lives by creating a situation beyond Tann's ability to process. I'd say that sounds far too optimistic.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 26, 2017 11:50:25 GMT
I saved her in my 1-st playthrough and I really regret this, cause Reyes was my mate; just didn't want to see her dying that way; but on my 2-nd /one day/ I will be happy to let her die. Such a shame I cannot pull the trigger cause I really would like to be a real renegade...
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Post by arthurius on Apr 28, 2017 8:21:18 GMT
I think that reading the prequel book "Nexus Uprising" will give you much deeper moral basics for making such difficult decision like this one
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 28, 2017 9:44:11 GMT
What happens if you don't save Sloane?
Reyes just seems all around untrustworthy. Sloane might be bad, but at least you know she's bad.
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Post by wildannie on Apr 28, 2017 11:51:12 GMT
What happens if you don't save Sloane? Reyes just seems all around untrustworthy. Sloane might be bad, but at least you know she's bad. So Reyes seems untrustworthy, but we know Sloane is bad... I prefer to take a chance on someone, who while shady, does seem to have better intentions, when the status quo is being held together by a known drug pushing despot.
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 28, 2017 13:40:49 GMT
What happens if you don't save Sloane? Reyes just seems all around untrustworthy. Sloane might be bad, but at least you know she's bad. So Reyes seems untrustworthy, but we know Sloane is bad... I prefer to take a chance on someone, who while shady, does seem to have better intentions, when the status quo is being held together by a known drug pushing despot. Not just seems, he likes having one on one duels where the pretend to be one of the 'ones', except he actually isn't, but it's the sniper in the back. Psyche. He also lies to you about his intentions at least once, but probably more. You can say a lot about Sloane, but everything she says is true. Reyes uses you and lies to you and everybody else.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 28, 2017 15:13:18 GMT
I just find I can't trust Sloane to work with me. (I know she will allow an outpost, for a price, but I'm not interested in paying her and watching her beat my people in the streets or hook them on drugs.) Reyes outright tells you he hid certain things out of fear that you wouldn't like him anymore - because he's into you. Stupid, sure, but there's plenty of evidence that he's insecure in a number of ways. And, let's be honest, he went the quick and dirty way against Sloane in order to avoid a full-out war where lots of people die and the outcome is far less certain. She died, sure, but a lot of people who would have in war were spared. Plus, putting an Angaran as the figurehead was a genius stroke since many might suspect the Charlatan was involved but the Angaran people themselves could say one of their own was "rightfully" in control of Kadara Port.
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Post by wildannie on Apr 28, 2017 16:46:58 GMT
So Reyes seems untrustworthy, but we know Sloane is bad... I prefer to take a chance on someone, who while shady, does seem to have better intentions, when the status quo is being held together by a known drug pushing despot. Not just seems, he likes having one on one duels where the pretend to be one of the 'ones', except he actually isn't, but it's the sniper in the back. Psyche. He also lies to you about his intentions at least once, but probably more. You can say a lot about Sloane, but everything she says is true. Reyes uses you and lies to you and everybody else. But did he intend to have a duel at all? maybe that was an attempt to stop an armed fight with the pathfinder when he saw they were there? His aim was to remove Sloane from power, which is a good thing because she's doing really bad things to the people there. I can't see that she could be removed from power by any means other than an assassination. I'm not saying it was honorable - of course it wasn't - but I'm not sure that she deserved to be treated with any great honor given what she had become. I'm not saying I don't feel a bit bad for her character, but I think Reyes deserved a chance. I can't bring myself to care about Reyes' using/lying, he didn't know Ryder and was working towards a goal. To tell Ryder would have been taking a big risk. It could be argued that he should have told Ryder as their relationship developed (Friend or romance) but it's not hard to understand why he didn't.
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Post by caterpillar on Apr 28, 2017 18:10:49 GMT
On my first file I saved Sloane on impulse, I have to admit it was fun having a decision like that be based on interrupts. I didn't like both of them personally, but Sloane is easier to predict than Reyes. I had him pegged for the Charlatan in his first meeting and questioned everything he said to Ryder from that point on. Finding the notes in the Collective base about putting on their best behavior when the Pathfinder is around didn't do him any favors either. Personally I prefer my fairies microwaved. I just hit those interrupt buttons on impulse myself. "shoot him!" *shoots him* wait, did I just...shoot him? And given that I had my first Pathfinder choose the 'casual' dialogue whenever it was available, that kind of half-assed decision making seemed fitting. I'll probably go the other way in this playthrough with my more compassionate dialog Pathfinder, but honestly neither are the kind of leader I'd want in any community I had to live in, so I can either way depending on the personality of my Ryder.
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Post by zeypher on Apr 28, 2017 18:17:49 GMT
Seriously Honour?? They both are crime lords, go with the one that offers your side and the people a better deal which is Reyes. If Sloane had any honour she would have never mutinied. Honor and loyalty go together and Sloane is not deserving of either.
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Post by wildannie on Apr 28, 2017 18:39:56 GMT
On my first file I saved Sloane on impulse, I have to admit it was fun having a decision like that be based on interrupts. I didn't like both of them personally, but Sloane is easier to predict than Reyes. I had him pegged for the Charlatan in his first meeting and questioned everything he said to Ryder from that point on. Finding the notes in the Collective base about putting on their best behavior when the Pathfinder is around didn't do him any favors either. Personally I prefer my fairies microwaved. I just hit those interrupt buttons on impulse myself. "shoot him!" *shoots him* wait, did I just...shoot him? And given that I had my first Pathfinder choose the 'casual' dialogue whenever it was available, that kind of half-assed decision making seemed fitting. I'll probably go the other way in this playthrough with my more compassionate dialog Pathfinder, but honestly neither are the kind of leader I'd want in any community I had to live in, so I can either way depending on the personality of my Ryder. Those interrupts are reaaaallly tempting. I've never saved Sloane, but am always tempted to pull that trigger. I have to force myself to stop with most of the interrupts, I do like shooting that nasty Kett zealot on Voeld though, oh and I go for the distraction interrupt with Reyes too
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Post by Hanako Ikezawa on Apr 28, 2017 19:01:53 GMT
I just hit those interrupt buttons on impulse myself. "shoot him!" *shoots him* wait, did I just...shoot him? And given that I had my first Pathfinder choose the 'casual' dialogue whenever it was available, that kind of half-assed decision making seemed fitting. I'll probably go the other way in this playthrough with my more compassionate dialog Pathfinder, but honestly neither are the kind of leader I'd want in any community I had to live in, so I can either way depending on the personality of my Ryder. Those interrupts are reaaaallly tempting. I've never saved Sloane, but am always tempted to pull that trigger. I have to force myself to stop with most of the interrupts, I do like shooting that nasty Kett zealot on Voeld though, oh and I go for the distraction interrupt with Reyes too Punching Reyes in the gut is really nice, I agree.
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Post by wildannie on Apr 28, 2017 22:51:11 GMT
Those interrupts are reaaaallly tempting. I've never saved Sloane, but am always tempted to pull that trigger. I have to force myself to stop with most of the interrupts, I do like shooting that nasty Kett zealot on Voeld though, oh and I go for the distraction interrupt with Reyes too Punching Reyes in the gut is really nice, I agree. Whatever makes you happy
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Post by Blast Processor on Apr 29, 2017 1:31:48 GMT
The game really pushes you toward Reyes. So much so that it makes me suspicious something is going on (or will) that will prove she is actually the better choice. At least with her what you see is what you get while Reyes is a shady, manipulative player who is using you from the very start for his own gain although if he keeps his word then ok I guess. Too bad there wasn't a 3rd option to kill both of them and take over yourself.That sounds a little bit renegade, we can't have that.
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Post by Element Zero on Apr 29, 2017 5:02:22 GMT
The main issue is that players aren't given a lot of time with Sloane, and 90% of what we're given is her being a hardass. She has to be a hardass, in her position, but it's not endearing. If you haven't read the novel, she doesn't show you much. Reyes, on the other hand, is a charming rogue who serves as a quest-giving ally and possible LI. It's completely out of balance, in terms of writing. I can't imagine what the writers were thinking.
People are inclined to trash Sloane for her criminality, but we see the same sorts of things from Reyes' crew. We find their torture and execution pad in the eastern valley. We find their hidden prison where they abuse prisoners who've made them look bad. They beat the hell out of Kaetus. (I guess I'm supposed to be impressed that he's still alive?) Reyes himself even says that his group aren't good guys, but full of darker shades. (I'd provide a quote, but my Sony XBR just died. WTH?)
People also act like Reyes gives the Ai a free ride. He taxes everything that passes through Kadara Port. He calls it a tax. Sloane says, "Think of it as a protection fee." It's the same damn thing. It's a tax for setting up shop in their backyard. I see people suggest that Reyes wouldn't have used a protection/exile system in Sloane's position. Seriously? Remember the kill rooms? Sloane did whatever it took to hold the wolves at bay this long, and it was terrible. Who can say that the protection scheme continues, though, with a less harsh source of income now in place (Nexus tax).
They're both criminals. Sloane became one in order to survive and keep Kadara Port alive. Maybe experience did the same to Reyes, but he's now a professional criminal, in it for the money. Sloane is more honest, while Reyes is more politically astute. If everyone had read "Nexus Uprising", or if MEA featured more/better content for Sloane, this decision would be tougher for people.
I like Reyes a lot; but I'd never hand Kadara Port to the Collective (the mob). They're a criminal business, and money will always come first. (Think of what happens when Reyes is no longer running the show.) Sloane, on the other hand, has done everything she's done for the exiles. She's done a lot of terrible things, but all in an effort to keep worse darkness at bay. Given a chance to improve everyone's lot, I think she will, because that was her character, pre-Exile. The things she says make me believe that person is still intact, inside. Everything good that the Collective does, though, feels like a political game, and insincere. Can anything good last with them?
I wish the writers had at least tried to flesh out Sloane in MEA. As it is, it's obvious they said, "They'll know about her from the novel."
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Post by wildannie on Apr 29, 2017 10:11:00 GMT
The main issue is that players aren't given a lot of time with Sloane,; and 90% of what we're given is her being a hardass. She has to be a hardass, in her position, but it's not endearing. If you haven't read the novel, she doesn't show you much. Reyes, on the other hand, is a charming rogue who serves as a quest-giving ally and possible LI. It's completely out of balance, in terms of writing. I can't imagine what the writers were thinking. People are inclined to trash Sloane for her criminality, but we see the same sorts of things from Reyes' crew. We find their torture and execution pad in the eastern valley. We find their hidden prison where they abuse prisoners who've made them look bad. They beat the hell out of Kaetus. (I guess I'm supposed to be impressed that he's still alive?) Reyes himself even says that his group aren't good guys, but full of darker shades. (I'd provide a quote, but my Sony XBR just died. WTH?) People also act like Reyes gives the Ai a free ride. He taxes everything that passes through Kadara Port. He calls it a tax. Sloane says, "Think of it as a protection fee." It's the same damn thing. It's a tax for setting up shop in their backyard. I see people suggest that Reyes wouldn't have used a protection/exile system in Sloane's position. Seriously? Remember the kill rooms? Sloane did whatever it took to hold the wolves at bay this long, and it was terrible. Who can say that the protection scheme continues, though, with a less harsh source of income now in place (Nexus tax). They're both criminals. Sloane became one in order to survive and keep Kadara Port alive. Maybe experience did the same to Reyes, but he's now a professional criminal, in it for the money. Sloane is more honest, while Reyes is more politically astute. If everyone had read "Nexus Uprising", or if MEA featured more/better content for Sloane, this decision would be tougher for people. I like Reyes a lot; but I'd never hand Kadara Port to the Collective (the mob). They're a criminal business, and money will always come first. (Think of what happens when Reyes is no longer running the show.) Sloane, on the other hand, has done everything she's done for the exiles. She's done a lot of terrible things, but all in an effort to keep worse darkness at bay. Given a chance to improve everyone's lot, I think she will, because that was her character, pre-Exile. The things she says make me believe that person is still intact, inside. Everything good that the Collective does, though, feels like a political game, and insincere. Can anything good last with them? I wish the writers had at least tried to flesh out Sloane in MEA. As it is, it's obvious they said, "They'll know about her from the novel." Sloane and Kaetus had an addictive drug developed which they then had their lackies push on the exiles. That is a million miles away from looking after them. I'm no war on drugs crusader, but that kind of thing is the lowest of the low. That is why I will never protect her, she's too far gone.
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Post by orchid on Apr 29, 2017 11:19:31 GMT
We find their torture and execution pad in the eastern valley. We find their hidden prison where they abuse prisoners who've made them look bad. I saw the prison cell where they were beating up prisoners, but there's also some other location? Can someone tell where exactly it is?
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 29, 2017 11:41:35 GMT
Not just seems, he likes having one on one duels where the pretend to be one of the 'ones', except he actually isn't, but it's the sniper in the back. Psyche. He also lies to you about his intentions at least once, but probably more. You can say a lot about Sloane, but everything she says is true. Reyes uses you and lies to you and everybody else. But did he intend to have a duel at all? maybe that was an attempt to stop an armed fight with the pathfinder when he saw they were there? His aim was to remove Sloane from power, which is a good thing because she's doing really bad things to the people there. I can't see that she could be removed from power by any means other than an assassination. I'm not saying it was honorable - of course it wasn't - but I'm not sure that she deserved to be treated with any great honor given what she had become. I'm not saying I don't feel a bit bad for her character, but I think Reyes deserved a chance. I can't bring myself to care about Reyes' using/lying, he didn't know Ryder and was working towards a goal. To tell Ryder would have been taking a big risk. It could be argued that he should have told Ryder as their relationship developed (Friend or romance) but it's not hard to understand why he didn't. You act like him didn't intending a duel at all would somehow make it better, lol. That just makes him that much more of a manipulator and liar. You're also acting as if the Collective doesn't do bad things to people. Look, you can like Reyes all you want, but he's just as much a criminal as Sloane. Except Sloane is honest about it, where Reyes just lies to you all the time, does equally horrible things to people all the while pretending to be a good guy just in it for the good. The snake.
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Post by wildannie on Apr 29, 2017 12:04:58 GMT
But did he intend to have a duel at all? maybe that was an attempt to stop an armed fight with the pathfinder when he saw they were there? His aim was to remove Sloane from power, which is a good thing because she's doing really bad things to the people there. I can't see that she could be removed from power by any means other than an assassination. I'm not saying it was honorable - of course it wasn't - but I'm not sure that she deserved to be treated with any great honor given what she had become. I'm not saying I don't feel a bit bad for her character, but I think Reyes deserved a chance. I can't bring myself to care about Reyes' using/lying, he didn't know Ryder and was working towards a goal. To tell Ryder would have been taking a big risk. It could be argued that he should have told Ryder as their relationship developed (Friend or romance) but it's not hard to understand why he didn't. You act like him didn't intending a duel at all would somehow make it better, lol. That just makes him that much more of a manipulator and liar. You're also acting as if the Collective doesn't do bad things to people. Look, you can like Reyes all you want, but he's just as much a criminal as Sloane. Except Sloane is honest about it, where Reyes just lies to you all the time, does equally horrible things to people all the while pretending to be a good guy just in it for the good. The snake. LOL I'm not acting like anything... Reyes not initially intending it to be a duel just makes it different, and I guess I prefer it that Reyes didn't intend to taunt Sloane in that way, but either way I support giving him a chance. The reason; of all the bad things the outcasts and collective have done I perceive from playing the game, that Sloane and the outcasts edge it as the worse of the two and Sloane needs removed one way or another. IMO she doesn't deserve a chance for redemption after reading the Kaetus email re: oblivion. Sloane was not really in a position to not be honest about being a crime lord, the throne and the lackeys gave it away so I'm not really going to give her any points for that one. I don't think Reyes pretends to be a good guy, and time will hopefully tell how good/bad he is... and of course while he may not be good, he is pleasant to speak to and didn't call my Ryder a dog, which never goes down well
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Post by klijpope on Apr 29, 2017 13:13:59 GMT
Just putting this out there. Reyes makes a good suspect in the Jien Garson murder case. He has the ability and the inclination, and he has the kind of charm and leadership skills any 'Benefactor' might want/need for their top operative...
Either he is involved, or he knows who is involved...
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Post by derrame on Apr 29, 2017 13:45:20 GMT
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Post by wildannie on Apr 29, 2017 14:06:54 GMT
Just putting this out there. Reyes makes a good suspect in the Jien Garson murder case. He has the ability and the inclination, and he has the kind of charm and leadership skills any 'Benefactor' might want/need for their top operative... Either he is involved, or he knows who is involved... Yup, I agree something like this is a strong possibility... you don't usually get plot armor for nothing. I think it could be a bit lame if he turned out to be the murderer or the actual benefactor, another reveal like that for him might be overkill. His desire to stay in the shadows could even imply that he's a potential target like Jien was.
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Post by toomanyclouds on Apr 29, 2017 15:13:26 GMT
The main issue is that players aren't given a lot of time with Sloane,; and 90% of what we're given is her being a hardass. She has to be a hardass, in her position, but it's not endearing. If you haven't read the novel, she doesn't show you much. Reyes, on the other hand, is a charming rogue who serves as a quest-giving ally and possible LI. It's completely out of balance, in terms of writing. I can't imagine what the writers were thinking. People are inclined to trash Sloane for her criminality, but we see the same sorts of things from Reyes' crew. We find their torture and execution pad in the eastern valley. We find their hidden prison where they abuse prisoners who've made them look bad. They beat the hell out of Kaetus. (I guess I'm supposed to be impressed that he's still alive?) Reyes himself even says that his group aren't good guys, but full of darker shades. (I'd provide a quote, but my Sony XBR just died. WTH?) People also act like Reyes gives the Ai a free ride. He taxes everything that passes through Kadara Port. He calls it a tax. Sloane says, "Think of it as a protection fee." It's the same damn thing. It's a tax for setting up shop in their backyard. I see people suggest that Reyes wouldn't have used a protection/exile system in Sloane's position. Seriously? Remember the kill rooms? Sloane did whatever it took to hold the wolves at bay this long, and it was terrible. Who can say that the protection scheme continues, though, with a less harsh source of income now in place (Nexus tax). They're both criminals. Sloane became one in order to survive and keep Kadara Port alive. Maybe experience did the same to Reyes, but he's now a professional criminal, in it for the money. Sloane is more honest, while Reyes is more politically astute. If everyone had read "Nexus Uprising", or if MEA featured more/better content for Sloane, this decision would be tougher for people. I like Reyes a lot; but I'd never hand Kadara Port to the Collective (the mob). They're a criminal business, and money will always come first. (Think of what happens when Reyes is no longer running the show.) Sloane, on the other hand, has done everything she's done for the exiles. She's done a lot of terrible things, but all in an effort to keep worse darkness at bay. Given a chance to improve everyone's lot, I think she will, because that was her character, pre-Exile. The things she says make me believe that person is still intact, inside. Everything good that the Collective does, though, feels like a political game, and insincere. Can anything good last with them? I wish the writers had at least tried to flesh out Sloane in MEA. As it is, it's obvious they said, "They'll know about her from the novel." I agree the writing here was lopsided. 1% of people read these books, Bioware, please stop relying on them. I was already halfway lost through Wicked Hearts and Wicked Minds in DA:I because I correctly assumed I was missing some huge chunk of story, and the same is true here. Pls. The thing is, Sloane runs a mob, too. She's thrown out angara who've lived in Kadara port for way longer than she has because they couldn't pay her protection fees, she has people beat up in the streets as intimidation and casts them out for whatever she considers breaking the law. Whatever good she's done before, and whatever evil was necessary, it doesn't really matter now if she can't follow up on it with a steady rule anymore. And maybe that is the right perspective to come at it. Pathfinder doesn't get a book with information on the uprising, either, s/he can only judge what is in front of their eyes. Kadara is pretty much slotted to be Omega 2.0 at this point, it was already considered a criminal hive before Sloane showed up there. There'll be criminals in power here for at least a while and for me, if Sloane had given me any indication she could keep her rulership and provide some form of stability, I might have considered her. Morally, she and Reyes are on one level. However, Sloane is not intelligent enough to keep the position. Reyes uses his anonimity, but she could easily be pressured because it's obvious who her loved one was and of course that would be used against her. Then, she honestly thought she was gonna have some wild west shootout with Reyes out in the Badlands. If she's that easy to trick, realistically she's gonna be off that throne in six months anyway, whether you help her or not. Reyes at least seems to know what he's doing and he's more savvy in that he knows to keep an eye on his contacts to the angara, too. Sloane has provided the angara with a prime example that we might be the kett light, appearing to be helpful at first, but then taking over and kicking the angara out of their own hometowns if it pleases us because we're stronger and therefore in charge. I doubt Reyes puts an angara in power as his puppet to be altruistic, but politically, it's helpful he stays in contact with them more than she does. It's interesting, what you consider the drawback of the Collective, I consider their strength. They play a political game. They can be bargained with. They'll probably sort out their internal struggles quickly and quietly by assassinating each other. Sloane... I don't know. We can ask the same question you asked about Reyes. What if Sloane dies, who will succeed her? Her position is basically queen of Kadara Port, and we know monarchy is always a crapshoot. You can have a wise ruler, or you can have James VI the Madman.
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