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Post by derrame on Apr 16, 2017 5:00:46 GMT
Hi there pathfinders,
i was thinking, the Kett are the same as the Reapers, they abduct and analyze the other species and turn them into monsters or experiment on them,
i find it extremely disappointing to have this as an enemy, i mean, the motivation or procedure or the things they do/objectives is what makes a faction or group into an enemy
and that motivation and procedure /objectives are the same as the Reapers (except for the syntehtics thing)
how would you call that? lazyness?
lack of inspiration?
want to make the same mistake again?
it's like we are fighting the Reapers again, but this time they look different
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 5:22:10 GMT
-Kett are less advanced than the Reapers.
-Kett exalt pretty much anything. Even less advanced animal species (they have wraiths, or exalted challyrons as pets).
-Reapers only harvest advanced organic life.
-Reapers control you through influence or a direct control implant.
-Kett only can influence you. They have mind control devices, but they don't require an implant to work.
Similarities, but they took a different take on Reaper indoctrination for this. Sort of has a religious feel to it. One of their bases was referred to as a "church".
I wouldn't call it a direct copy and paste though.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 16, 2017 8:58:35 GMT
I liked when two biotics repelled an attack by their big ship. Wish Hackett had come to Andromeda with the Fifth Fleet, would have been like Chuenpi.
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Post by Soulforge on Apr 16, 2017 9:06:42 GMT
The Kett are what I would expect from the Collectors, if they were autonomous. But minus the religious aspects. I didn't mind the Kett so much as the Archon. I hoped there was some sort of lesson learned from Corypheus' non-presence in the story, but no such luck.
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 16, 2017 9:16:51 GMT
Reaper's motivation is to preserve organic life by harvesting organic species before they can destroy themselves and shaping them into reaper bodies. Kett's motivation is not preservation, but perfection. Creating a perfect genetic, organic life form by harvesting the most advantageous genes and splicing them into a single organism.
Reapers are really twisted museum pieces while the kett are a sentient, sapient virus seeking to spread and propagate.
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Post by qwib on Apr 16, 2017 9:41:17 GMT
The Kett are not supposed to replace the Reapers, nor are they supposed to BE the Reapers. The Kett are merely an annoyance. I hope we can become Allies with them at some point, because I'm sure there is a greater thread waiting in Andromeda.
Jardaan are close to the Protheans, but their empire seems to be more about Science than the Protheans who were more about conquering. We don't know who the aliens were who created the Scourge after all. They might be the Reaper replacement, but I'm glad BW has not revealed anything about them.... I found it the worst decision of all time to kill Saren in ME1 and reveal the Reapers in ME1...
The monster that gets revealed is always a disappointment in horror movies and the monster that you never see is much scarier in your head. One of the better design choices in Andromeda compared to the Trilogy.
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Post by luke on Apr 16, 2017 13:08:02 GMT
I really liked the Kett, and I was always itching to learn more about them. Their motivations and end goals are interesting, and I want to learn more about their culture and the species they've conquered.
I don't think they can be compared to the Reapers or Collectors at all.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 16, 2017 13:11:20 GMT
I liked when two biotics repelled an attack by their big ship. Wish Hackett had come to Andromeda with the Fifth Fleet, would have been like Chuenpi. All that work we put into gathering war assets and building fleets. When all we really needed was a ship full of Asari commandos. It probably doesn't even need guns on it just strap some of those magic face masks Liara wears on them and give the order to use biotic charge out the torpedo tubes. All that time we spent dodging a Reaper on Rannoch synching up a targetting laser. We could have just had Liara hop off of her terminal and put up a barrier.... *Grumbles under his breath about some shit* |
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Post by KonguZya on Apr 16, 2017 17:26:44 GMT
I completely agree. Was anyone surprised at the "reveal" that the Chosen were angara? I think not. The Archon was a discount Harbinger for sure, going on about how they would ascend/exalt and perfect you and everyone else. The kett were such a lame and predictable enemy, and on top of that I got really tired of fighting them over and over again.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 16, 2017 22:17:10 GMT
Not really, Reapers were hyped as robo-chtulhus, they felt threatening. Kett are joke, they're our lessers in every way except for the field of genetics. We beat them head on with transport shuttles and man-portable arms, any battle against them with an actual military fleet would be a stomp.
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Post by vilegrim on Apr 16, 2017 22:43:12 GMT
Not really, Reapers were hyped as robo-chtulhus, they felt threatening. Kett are joke, they're our lessers in every way except for the field of genetics. We beat them head on with transport shuttles and man-portable arms, any battle against them with an actual military fleet would be a stomp. As I will keep saying, we invaded Andromeda as a colonial fleet, we should have been loaded for the subjugation or replacement of the native species. Strap a dreadnaught cannon to 2 to each ark, hand out the Thanix cannons to the 'scout ships' and go full Cortez on the Kett |
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Post by LogicGunn on Apr 16, 2017 22:47:25 GMT
The "big reveal" kinda brought me back to ME2, I agree there are some similarities going on, though there are enough differences overall to keep it kinda fresh.
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Post by melisan on Apr 17, 2017 2:12:23 GMT
ME has long since fallen into Sci-Fi trope land.
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Bio Enemies - Collector, Kett, Reaper ground forces
Bug Enemies - Collector swarms, Rachni
Robo Enemies - Geth, Remnant
The only fresh idea ME had as aliens were the Reapers as Space Cthulhu. And that was what made ME1 great despite gameplay flaws, and not simply good.
It's hard to demand Fresh ideas for aliens.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 17, 2017 6:06:44 GMT
The reapers were as series of horrifying screaming things that made other people into horrifying things the chase you while horrifyingly scream while being back by hordes of fly horrifying screaming things that dropped bombs of horrifying screaming to fight you while the reapers themselves themselves horrifying screamed at while shooting lazers.....
I don't call that a disappointment. I call that universe fill with people with ptsd who freaks out at the sound of french horns.
While the Kett are manifest destiny imperialist bs Borg 2.0.....Fearsome but a disappointment.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 17, 2017 6:07:52 GMT
Not really, Reapers were hyped as robo-chtulhus, they felt threatening. Kett are joke, they're our lessers in every way except for the field of genetics. We beat them head on with transport shuttles and man-portable arms, any battle against them with an actual military fleet would be a stomp. do note this is not their full army. |
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Post by vilegrim on Apr 17, 2017 8:30:05 GMT
Not really, Reapers were hyped as robo-chtulhus, they felt threatening. Kett are joke, they're our lessers in every way except for the field of genetics. We beat them head on with transport shuttles and man-portable arms, any battle against them with an actual military fleet would be a stomp. do note this is not their full army. doesn't matter, if your 'armoured' vehicles can be taken out by the other guys small arms, your in for a bad day. Give the Initiative some proper weapons (I am looking at you Thanix cannon and Cain) with military grade shielding and it's taking on the Scharnhorst in a Galleon time. |
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Post by wildannie on Apr 17, 2017 8:44:28 GMT
There are similarities, but they don't have the same motivations. There is a strong religious element to the Kett, and I felt that religion and the idea of a creator was the main theme in MEA. I'll be interested to see where they take it
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Post by ApocAlypsE on Apr 17, 2017 11:07:45 GMT
The Kett are a bunch of incompetent tools, being bested by a non-conquering force from the Milky Way. Sad and weak enemy. I would have preferred a swarm type or a gray goo type of enemy in here if BW wishes to avoid the gigantic near invincible space eldritch abominations to write themselves into a hole again. Make the Scourge a Kett creation of somekind, maybe some nano swarm that consumes solar systems, something that packs more punch. I'm even interested in what drove the Jardaan away more than the Kett.
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Post by nocticolor on Apr 17, 2017 12:09:21 GMT
There's definitely a difference between the reapers and the kett, what kind of annoyed me was the same old, "You don't understand because you're too ignorant to see the greatness beyond all of this." That kind of had me yawn.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 17, 2017 13:20:17 GMT
do note this is not their full army. doesn't matter, if your 'armoured' vehicles can be taken out by the other guys small arms, your in for a bad day. Give the Initiative some proper weapons (I am looking at you Thanix cannon and Cain) with military grade shielding and it's taking on the Scharnhorst in a Galleon time. 1. I'm talking about the Kett. 2. that is not what the initiative is here for. |
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Post by stiven on Apr 17, 2017 16:05:34 GMT
Ketts is fine. They displayed as low-tech galaxy ever span empire, which despising high-tech and uses it primary for genetics experiments. That's why, the only field on which Ketts tech is ahead of Milky Way tech, - is Genetic. And hey - at least they are not just very old and very dumb AI.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 17, 2017 17:43:49 GMT
I see them more like Collectors 2.0. Collectors are mutated, indoctrinated protheans. Kett are mutated, indoctrinated angara.
Collectors were created by Reapers. I'll bet the kett were created by something as well. Yep.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 17, 2017 17:45:34 GMT
do note this is not their full army. doesn't matter, if your 'armoured' vehicles can be taken out by the other guys small arms, your in for a bad day. Give the Initiative some proper weapons (I am looking at you Thanix cannon and Cain) with military grade shielding and it's taking on the Scharnhorst in a Galleon time. Heck, your armored vehicles can be taken out by a nice day in Arizona or Canada. |
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Post by giubba on Apr 17, 2017 17:46:37 GMT
The Kett are a bunch of incompetent tools, being bested by a non-conquering force from the Milky Way. Sad and weak enemy. I would have preferred a swarm type or a gray goo type of enemy in here if BW wishes to avoid the gigantic near invincible space eldritch abominations to write themselves into a hole again. Make the Scourge a Kett creation of somekind, maybe some nano swarm that consumes solar systems, something that packs more punch. I'm even interested in what drove the Jardaan away more than the Kett. No. When the initiative arrive in the heleus cluster the Kett are 70 years stranded in the said cluster and still waging an attrition war with a guerrilla army who get really good at it. They weren't able to finish the angara because at some point they didn't give a fuck anymore. The Archon turned his full attention to the remnant tech and was sated with keeping the status quo because it served his purpose until Ryder come and ofc all hell break loose. |
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 17, 2017 18:20:55 GMT
Honestly upon reflection I think that, power dependency aside, I wish the Reapers were more like the kett in terms of motivation.
The reveal of what the reapers were was always very disappointing to me because it made them very mundane. Just a robot uprising on a grander scale with the added twisted logic of "Ok I'm going to preserve organic life by melting it down and making more killer robot ships out of it".
If you mix in some zha'til and had the Leviathans converting themselves into Reapers as the next step of their evolution and then take the kett motivations and make the harvest about them imposing this fate on advanced civilizations that they found worthy by force because they're just too ignorant to see what a gift they're giving you, I think that's a much more interesting motivation than what we ended up getting from the Reapers.
As it stands I see more parallels between the Kett and the Protheans; Protheans forcibly subjugated multiple species and assimilated them culturally, making them "prothean" that way. Kett forcibly subjugate multiple species and assimilate them genetically, biologically converting them into kett.
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