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Post by wright1978 on Apr 17, 2017 18:21:36 GMT
The kett seemed less reaper more eugenics, constantly refining what it means to be kett through integrating other species & their traits into themselves. I thought they were a pretty interesting opposing force in principle.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 17, 2017 21:30:53 GMT
Same as Reapers? I think not. That scene where Shepard talks with Sovereign. He is one very confident and fear inspiring bad guy. You feel the real threat to not only Shepard but the entire Galaxy. The Kett LOL, they don't even scare wimpy Ryder, well maybe a little since somebody forgot to arm the Tempest and they had to run away like little girls
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Post by formerfiend on Apr 17, 2017 22:04:21 GMT
Honestly I really like the idea that the Kett aren't super advanced. I even thought it was a nice touch that their ships were less advanced than the System Alliance's.
I feel that constant escalation hurts a series.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 18, 2017 2:27:38 GMT
The Andromeda species must have been pretty lame if combining the strengths of 1000 of them made fugly pansies.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 18, 2017 4:28:05 GMT
The Andromeda species must have been pretty lame if combining the strengths of 1000 of them made fugly pansies. Some one is ether playing a biotic god or playing on normal.
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Post by Justicar on Apr 18, 2017 16:42:30 GMT
I like the Kett, and I for one found them interesting. The main problem with them in MEA seems to be, for me at least, that they are reduced to your dime-a-dozen bad-guy mooks. Their background is actually really interesting, and I'd love to see more of it, but we don't really get much of that in this game, where instead we fight each other without getting any real depth from them. I think a fair comparison would be the geth, where in the first game they're just fodder for Saren with little backstory, and didn't get really fleshed out until ME2. Hopefully the Kett will receive the same treatment in the next Mass Effect game, if Bioware wants to continue their story, which I hope they do.
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Post by Doominike on Apr 19, 2017 2:42:09 GMT
The Andromeda species must have been pretty lame if combining the strengths of 1000 of them made fugly pansies. Some one is ether playing a biotic god or playing on normal. Because advanced space armor having the durability of wet tissue and every hostile being a bullet sponge obviously reflects the reality of the setting.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 19, 2017 5:07:53 GMT
Some one is ether playing a biotic god or playing on normal. Because advanced space armor having the durability of wet tissue and every hostile being a bullet sponge obviously reflects the reality of the setting. So that's your excuse for playing on easy? Make no sense to put it on easy then complain that it's easy. Put it on hardcore and make a build around it. it's called strategy. Even the instanta kill enemies of ME3 are easy and as threatening as a napkin on normal and easy.
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 19, 2017 6:45:26 GMT
I hated everything about the Kett. Boring generic wannabe Reapers. The moment the Archon started prattling on with his "You cannot comprehend." I just tuned him out for the rest of the game. At least the Reapers were interesting in the first game. The Kett was too much "been there done that." They soon became creatures I shot at while on my way to more interesting things.
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Post by phantomrachie on Apr 19, 2017 6:54:15 GMT
I see them more like Collectors 2.0. Collectors are mutated, indoctrinated protheans. Kett are mutated, indoctrinated angara. Collectors were created by Reapers. I'll bet the kett were created by something as well. Yep. Not just angara lots of other races. The Kett take racial traits of multiple races and use them to "better themselves" They were created by themselves through a longer process of gene therapy. They are actually the opposite of the Collectors. The Collectors added tech to compensate for failing biology, the Kett take racial traits of other species and add them to their own genome to improve their species.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 19, 2017 8:54:29 GMT
Not really, Reapers were hyped as robo-chtulhus, they felt threatening. Kett are joke, they're our lessers in every way except for the field of genetics. We beat them head on with transport shuttles and man-portable arms, any battle against them with an actual military fleet would be a stomp. Idunno... They were threatening in ME1, I forgot they existed in ME2 and I thought they were just stupid but had good plot armor in ME3,
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Post by Psychevore on Apr 19, 2017 9:40:27 GMT
Some one is ether playing a biotic god or playing on normal. Because advanced space armor having the durability of wet tissue and every hostile being a bullet sponge obviously reflects the reality of the setting. Reality. Lol.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 19, 2017 15:41:34 GMT
I see them more like Collectors 2.0. Collectors are mutated, indoctrinated protheans. Kett are mutated, indoctrinated angara. Collectors were created by Reapers. I'll bet the kett were created by something as well. Yep. Not just angara lots of other races. The Kett take racial traits of multiple races and use them to "better themselves" They were created by themselves through a longer process of gene therapy. They are actually the opposite of the Collectors. The Collectors added tech to compensate for failing biology, the Kett take racial traits of other species and add them to their own genome to improve their species. Most of the kett we see are mutated, indoctrinated angara. I don't remember the Collectors adding tech to compensate for failing biology? IIRC, they were mutated and indoctrinated by the Reapers to start work on the newest baby Reapers? They had no interest in other tech, just in collecting humans to puree.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 19, 2017 16:59:39 GMT
I liked when two biotics repelled an attack by their big ship. Wish Hackett had come to Andromeda with the Fifth Fleet, would have been like Chuenpi. Where was that barrier stuff in the trilogy especially when first arriving on Thessia? I'm guessing that scene was put in because it would look cool. It wasn't.
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Post by brunobyof on Apr 19, 2017 17:21:02 GMT
I wish the Kett were more interesting. Though they are not like Reapers, or collectors. Collectors were indoctrinated protheans. Reapers were not abducting people, they harvest. The kett's ability to incorporate genetics is cool in my opinion. It gives a fresh idea to the series, despite the OP saying its the same as Reapers, because it's not.
But they all look the same, in fact if you say they are all "biological robots", following instructions from some Kett Overlord, i wouldn't care saying this is something else because it looks like just that.
I loved The Illusive man as an antagonist, also Saren, Harbinger...i don't know why but Archon seem to be so foolish, so Power Ranger's enemy...it's dumb. However, the idea of having a huge hierarchyc species, colonizing not only heleus but spread across all the galaxy, perhaps even further, it's awesome! it's something really big, unexpected, specially from the Initiative's perspective, which didn't know if they would even find life in Andromeda. I can just hope the next game make it so that the villains are something great again.
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Post by Croatsky on Apr 19, 2017 17:23:13 GMT
-Kett are less advanced than the Reapers. -Kett exalt pretty much anything. Even less advanced animal species (they have wraiths, or exalted challyrons as pets). -Reapers only harvest advanced organic life. -Reapers control you through influence or a direct control implant. -Kett only can influence you. They have mind control devices, but they don't require an implant to work. Similarities, but they took a different take on Reaper indoctrination for this. Sort of has a religious feel to it. One of their bases was referred to as a "church". I wouldn't call it a direct copy and paste though. And to add to it, Reapers have no free will. Despite the pretence from Harbinger and Sovereign, Catalyst and Leviathan made it clear they are pretty much shackled to their programming to do Reaper Harvest no matter what. Kett in other hand have free will and are able to do anything they want. Their social structure does antagonizes individuality extremely, however with Archon we see they can disobey their collectivist social pressure for own personal gain.
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Post by Justicar on Apr 19, 2017 19:33:57 GMT
And to add to it, Reapers have no free will. Despite the pretence from Harbinger and Sovereign, Catalyst and Leviathan made it clear they are pretty much shackled to their programming to do Reaper Harvest no matter what. Kett in other hand have free will and are able to do anything they want. Their social structure does antagonizes individuality extremely, however with Archon we see they can disobey their collectivist social pressure for own personal gain. Let's not forget the kett leader on Eos, I forget the name, who actually remembers things about himself before he was exalted. If developed further, this could become a really cool new kett sub-plot.
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Post by smellycatbutts on Apr 19, 2017 21:08:54 GMT
The kett as a whole are interesting. The archon was a snooze fest. All he wanted in the end was power, and he was evil for evil's sake. *snore*
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 19, 2017 21:11:05 GMT
I hated everything about the Kett. Boring generic wannabe Reapers. The moment the Archon started prattling on with his "You cannot comprehend." I just tuned him out for the rest of the game. At least the Reapers were interesting in the first game. The Kett was too much "been there done that." They soon became creatures I shot at while on my way to more interesting things. the thing you're missing here is that they are nothing like the reapers outside of mind control. these guy are organic borg....It does not make them any better though.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 19, 2017 21:15:49 GMT
I wish the Kett were more interesting. Though they are not like Reapers, or collectors. Collectors were indoctrinated protheans. Reapers were not abducting people, they harvest. The kett's ability to incorporate genetics is cool in my opinion. It gives a fresh idea to the series, despite the OP saying its the same as Reapers, because it's not. But they all look the same, in fact if you say they are all "biological robots", following instructions from some Kett Overlord, i wouldn't care saying this is something else because it looks like just that. I loved The Illusive man as an antagonist, also Saren, Harbinger...i don't know why but Archon seem to be so foolish, so Power Ranger's enemy...it's dumb. However, the idea of having a huge hierarchyc species, colonizing not only heleus but spread across all the galaxy, perhaps even further, it's awesome! it's something really big, unexpected, specially from the Initiative's perspective, which didn't know if they would even find life in Andromeda. I can just hope the next game make it so that the villains are something great again. The archon's issue is how they ended his story. On paper he would of been a good villain. He does not under estimate his opponent, he does his home work on his enemy, plays the long game with detail well thought out plans, and knows how to get to his opponents weak point. ...Then the boss fight happens with his bad villain dialogue and it all went to hell.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 19, 2017 21:20:25 GMT
I liked when two biotics repelled an attack by their big ship. Wish Hackett had come to Andromeda with the Fifth Fleet, would have been like Chuenpi. Where was that barrier stuff in the trilogy especially when first arriving on Thessia? I'm guessing that scene was put in because it would look cool. It wasn't. missiles are one thing. the issue on thessa was an issue of bomb bombardment from mass accelerator cannon of super accelerated liquid magma moving near the speed of light with each hit the impacts of multiple nuclear weapons. None of the missile on cora's mission were anything close as power ful.
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Post by Croatsky on Apr 19, 2017 21:26:25 GMT
And to add to it, Reapers have no free will. Despite the pretence from Harbinger and Sovereign, Catalyst and Leviathan made it clear they are pretty much shackled to their programming to do Reaper Harvest no matter what. Kett in other hand have free will and are able to do anything they want. Their social structure does antagonizes individuality extremely, however with Archon we see they can disobey their collectivist social pressure for own personal gain. Let's not forget the kett leader on Eos, I forget the name, who actually remembers things about himself before he was exalted. If developed further, this could become a really cool new kett sub-plot. Indeed. Kett are very individualistic despite their highly collectivistic culture and religion. Hell, whatever intentionally or not, Bioware definitely left room for us to have a Kett squadmate in far future or at least characters for MP. Not something you could do with the Reapers in original trilogy, best they could do is with Awakened Collectors in ME3's Co-Op.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 19, 2017 21:54:38 GMT
missiles are one thing. the issue on thessa was an issue of bomb bombardment from mass accelerator cannon of super accelerated liquid magma moving near the speed of light with each hit the impacts of multiple nuclear weapons. None of the missile on cora's mission were anything close as power ful. Really? What about that one that killed a number of asari right at the beginning of the mission?
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Post by Rochrok on Apr 19, 2017 23:09:26 GMT
I hated everything about the Kett. Boring generic wannabe Reapers. The moment the Archon started prattling on with his "You cannot comprehend." I just tuned him out for the rest of the game. At least the Reapers were interesting in the first game. The Kett was too much "been there done that." They soon became creatures I shot at while on my way to more interesting things. the thing you're missing here is that they are nothing like the reapers outside of mind control. these guy are organic borg....It does not make them any better though. I don't mean they are exactly like the Reapers but they have the same narrative traits that are impossible to ignore. The reapers harvested organics by melting them down and turning them into reapers. The Kett transform others to turn them into Kett. Mind control (which I forgot about) Sovereign claims "You cannot comprehend..." when asked to explain himself. Archon claims "You cannot comprehend..." when asked to explain himself. The Reapers were a galaxy wide threat. The Kett are a galaxy wide threat. Bioware may have come up with other traits that make the Kett different, but narrative wise, it's the same old thing. Just like Remnant tech is the same as Prothean tech, ancient tech left behind by a mysterious race that is mysteriously gone. The Jardaan are the Protheans. They even created the Angara (for something more)...just like the Protheans groomed the Asari (for something more). ME:A is such a soft reboot of ME1 you'd think it was made by JJ Abrams.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 20, 2017 3:07:41 GMT
the thing you're missing here is that they are nothing like the reapers outside of mind control. these guy are organic borg....It does not make them any better though. I don't mean they are exactly like the Reapers but they have the same narrative traits that are impossible to ignore. The reapers harvested organics by melting them down and turning them into reapers. The Kett transform others to turn them into Kett. Mind control (which I forgot about) Sovereign claims "You cannot comprehend..." when asked to explain himself. Archon claims "You cannot comprehend..." when asked to explain himself. The Reapers were a galaxy wide threat. The Kett are a galaxy wide threat. Bioware may have come up with other traits that make the Kett different, but narrative wise, it's the same old thing. Just like Remnant tech is the same as Prothean tech, ancient tech left behind by a mysterious race that is mysteriously gone. The Jardaan are the Protheans. They even created the Angara (for something more)...just like the Protheans groomed the Asari (for something more). ME:A is such a soft reboot of ME1 you'd think it was made by JJ Abrams. Still not even that. Mealting down organic to be made to something it can use is not the same as turn bob the argarian to steve the kett. The reapers were turning organic to tool and machine it can control. The kett are turn people into more of their race. they not tool but new people of there empire. Not the tool to be used and thrown away like the reapers do. And even when reaper do tur organics into a reaper it's still just to control and preseve organics. they don't need to do it. The kett are just making people in kett because they think it's beter for them to be kett. That hands down the borg. the Jardaan though are nothing like the prothean. Grooming a race is not the same as creating a race. Making a race is far more daunting and complicating and give big changes to the idealiology of that race when they find out they are made. But grooming a race. the asari are not the only ones and were shown doing that from ME1. You're just improving what there. think of it this way. What do you think would happen with humanity if they found out they were tampered and observed by aliens in the past at the dawn of our civilization well after we came from caves, now compared that to how humanity would react if they were made by an alien race? it's that big of a difference and it's something new to ME.
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