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Post by Debaser on Apr 17, 2017 2:22:37 GMT
Even if Peebee was pointing her Carnifex the right way it wouldn't do any damage anyways.
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Post by sigge on Apr 17, 2017 2:43:12 GMT
But Peebee uses a Sidewinder.
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Post by Xerxes52 on Apr 17, 2017 2:58:17 GMT
But Peebee uses a Sidewinder. Not in cinematics.
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Post by sigge on Apr 17, 2017 5:04:41 GMT
Huh. Never noticed that. I just figured she always had that gun. But then again, Vetra carries around and Avenger in some cutscenes, despite using a Cyclone in combat.
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Post by godlike13 on Apr 17, 2017 5:27:08 GMT
Cool, but man oh man do they need to get busy with some balancing.
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Post by dark8sage on Apr 17, 2017 9:33:18 GMT
Make combo detonations great again.
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Post by nanotm on Apr 17, 2017 10:25:07 GMT
I like that the charger is shown on paper to be less good than most of the ar's but in practice it seems to be a lot more effective than them. hardcoresalmonthankyou for making this chart if possible can you do one with pulse firing the various automatics ? I noticed some weeks back that holding down the trigger the bullets start spraying all over the map but pulsing it they generally stay closer together and you also keep getting the "first bullet" bonus damage (its seems like the first bullet out of the barrel always does more damage and hits exactly on target each time you pull the trigger) I don't know how you test (with a program or just timing stuff shooting at mooks or what) but at least for me a lot of those weapon realod times are short, my last game I took the ishray, and I noticed reloading too k a long ass time, so long in fact that should I try to do anything duroing the 5 second long animation it would stop and restart as soon as I stopped moving... of course mooks never give you more than 2 seconds between hits/ punches and for some reason getting hit stops your reload animation .....
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 12:05:17 GMT
PAW seems to work a lot like the Geth Pulse Rifle used to back in ME3. On its own it's pretty bad damage-wise, but put some elemental ammo on it and let the detonations fly. Countering the bullet spread by burst shooting instead of full-auto mode is a very good tip, I might tread most of these guns like the Lancer from now on
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 17, 2017 12:20:49 GMT
PAW seems to work a lot like the Geth Pulse Rifle used to back in ME3. On its own it's pretty bad damage-wise, but put some elemental ammo on it and let the detonations fly. Countering the bullet spread by burst shooting instead of full-auto mode is a very good tip, I might tread most of these guns like the Lancer from now on At least GPR had extra headshot bonus, which made it at least somewhat decent if you had a good aim. I mostly used it on my non-Flamer GT just to show those heretics how it's done.
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Post by hobocommand3r on Apr 17, 2017 13:42:38 GMT
PAW seems to work a lot like the Geth Pulse Rifle used to back in ME3. On its own it's pretty bad damage-wise, but put some elemental ammo on it and let the detonations fly. Countering the bullet spread by burst shooting instead of full-auto mode is a very good tip, I might tread most of these guns like the Lancer from now on I'm gonna try this on soned and rozerad I'm sure that'll work well. Oh wait you are forced to hold them down full auto..... People need to stop defending the bs balancing in this game. It's like when people over over on reddit say casters are gold ''viable'', I've beaten gold with zalkin and ushior I guess that makes them viable? But they sure aren't fun to use and same goes for many of the casters and weapons like the paw. Being able to prime ammo well isn't cutting it when it's the spiritual successor to the prothean particle rifle.
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Post by ochadd on Apr 17, 2017 13:47:26 GMT
Thanks for this info OP.
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Post by hardcoresalmon on Apr 17, 2017 14:02:28 GMT
Does anyone know the stats of a AR Magazine mod at level X? Mine is only level 8 and I don't feel like farming to unlock it just to see the stats and need it for the numbers.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 15:51:45 GMT
PAW seems to work a lot like the Geth Pulse Rifle used to back in ME3. On its own it's pretty bad damage-wise, but put some elemental ammo on it and let the detonations fly. Countering the bullet spread by burst shooting instead of full-auto mode is a very good tip, I might tread most of these guns like the Lancer from now on I'm gonna try this on soned and rozerad I'm sure that'll work well. Oh wait you are forced to hold them down full auto..... People need to stop defending the bs balancing in this game. It's like when people over over on reddit say casters are gold ''viable'', I've beaten gold with zalkin and ushior I guess that makes them viable? But they sure aren't fun to use and same goes for many of the casters and weapons like the paw. Being able to prime ammo well isn't cutting it when it's the spiritual successor to the prothean particle rifle. I'm not defending weapon balancing at all and I'd never use Zalkin, Ushior or Mattock on Gold because it just doesn't make any sense. There are still some non-top-tier weapons that can be used effectively on Gold. You won't out score the 3 Vanquishers, but then again who cares about score.
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Post by TormDK on Apr 17, 2017 16:42:50 GMT
Does anyone know the stats of a AR Magazine mod at level X? Mine is only level 8 and I don't feel like farming to unlock it just to see the stats and need it for the numbers. +50%
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Post by yevetha on Apr 17, 2017 17:03:03 GMT
Thank you so much for doing this!!!
Any chance we can get a DPS/weight chart/table for those of us without maxed manifests?
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Post by kpeter on Apr 17, 2017 17:15:26 GMT
According to these stats hesh is 2nd best gun in the game. Tried it out and its beyond terrible.
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Post by yevetha on Apr 17, 2017 17:21:04 GMT
According to these stats hesh is 2nd best gun in the game. Tried it out and its beyond terrible. And now you know the difference between theoretical dps and applied dps.
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Post by bjorndadwarf on Apr 17, 2017 17:34:21 GMT
Thanks a bunch for this!
Does the Lanat include charge time? My Lanat I felt quite a bit stronger than that, but maybe that's down to the mostly using it on Infils so far.
Otherwise, this confirms that the guns that are bad are glaringly fucking awful dumpster fires. But, there are actually a lot more "good" guns that people had initially thought. I'd say most non-shotguns from the Falcon up perform pretty well when used on appropriate kits. The shotguns would probably be fine as well if not bugged as fuck.
The Crusader makes me wanna cry though. Shit accuracy and bad damage.
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Post by kpeter on Apr 17, 2017 17:35:54 GMT
According to these stats hesh is 2nd best gun in the game. Tried it out and its beyond terrible. And now you know the difference between theoretical dps and applied dps. I always knew, but still.
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Post by SalMasRac on Apr 17, 2017 17:54:15 GMT
Not that it matters but might as well tag Tiberius so at least someone from Bioware sees this
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Post by unclemonster on Apr 17, 2017 18:51:18 GMT
Thank you SO much for this!
Can you please also chart this with the magazine mod. DONE!
Thank you again! You always had the best info in ME3 and are greatly appreciated!
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Post by hardcoresalmon on Apr 17, 2017 20:16:27 GMT
Thanks a bunch for this! Does the Lanat include charge time? My Lanat I felt quite a bit stronger than that, but maybe that's down to the mostly using it on Infils so far. Otherwise, this confirms that the guns that are bad are glaringly fucking awful dumpster fires. But, there are actually a lot more "good" guns that people had initially thought. I'd say most non-shotguns from the Falcon up perform pretty well when used on appropriate kits. The shotguns would probably be fine as well if not bugged as fuck. The Crusader makes me wanna cry though. Shit accuracy and bad damage. I don't know the damage of the lanat when charged so I can't include it. Here it is just with regular shots. The lanat is a pain to use on infiltrators if you want to charge it. Having to cloak and then charge is extremely inconvenient. The table just shows potential dps if all bullets hit the target. Guns like the soned/thokin/revenant will never get the listed dps because most of the bullets will miss. It's the main problem with assault rifle and shotguns - their accuracy.
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Post by mrfuddyduddy on Apr 17, 2017 21:15:53 GMT
According to these stats hesh is 2nd best gun in the game. Tried it out and its beyond terrible. That's because its accuracy is horrendous, what good is 10000 DPS when 2/3's of your shots miss anything smaller than a Hydra?
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Post by LemurFromTheId on Apr 17, 2017 21:39:35 GMT
According to these stats hesh is 2nd best gun in the game. Tried it out and its beyond terrible. That's because its accuracy is horrendous, what good is 10000 DPS when 2/3's of your shots miss anything smaller than a Hydra? 10000 DPS * (1 - 2/3) = 3333 DPS
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Post by mrfuddyduddy on Apr 18, 2017 5:19:36 GMT
That's because its accuracy is horrendous, what good is 10000 DPS when 2/3's of your shots miss anything smaller than a Hydra? 10000 DPS * (1 - 2/3) = 3333 DPS His chart showed 20 seconds for the Hesh as 9500, you cut that by 2/3's and your damage is 2800, that's worse than the Carnifex which has the lowest sustained DPS over 20 seconds. I don't know if your just showing math like these numbers are somehow not still completely terrible as even your most basic of basic mook on Gold has close to 2000 health it seems like.
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