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Post by Anaan on Apr 16, 2017 20:26:34 GMT
I sympathized with Kallo, but chose Gil in the end. He's right, the Tempest needs to adapt.
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Post by Pink Ranger on Apr 16, 2017 20:27:52 GMT
I sided with Kallo. Don't be messing with a ship that's already been deployed without approval from Ryder or Kallo. If he did approach Ryder (Me) for approval I'd still tell him no.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 20:30:41 GMT
I always side with Gil. He's never let me down and since the Tempest was not prepared for the Archon, Gil's modifications are what is needed since we can't upgrade and protect ourselves. Kallo knows this. He's just trying to keep memories alive.
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Post by lurkinganon on Apr 16, 2017 20:36:08 GMT
Easily Kallo.
Not only because I like the dialogue and outcome more when you take Kallo's side. Not just because I feel that changes to the Tempest should be done carefully and not simply done on a whim. And not just because of personal bias.
But I also don't appreciate Gil's snippy attitude even when you side with him. There's no conciliatory gesture on his end. Kallo is the one to extend an olive branch in both outcomes.
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Post by leadintea on Apr 16, 2017 20:37:42 GMT
Gil is definitely right, but my petty ass chose Kallo just because of how arrogant Gil came across as. And since the situation is resolved peacefully either way, I figured it really doesn't matter who you choose in the end.
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Post by Exile Isan on Apr 16, 2017 20:52:49 GMT
I think Gil is right. Kallo and his team did a great job in designing the Tempest, but it was designed as a scouting vessel and not to be a warship or to deal with the Scourge, and now it's going to have to be a warship and deal with the scourge. Which means upgrading or retrofitting. Which is what Gil is doing. I know Kallo looks at it like Gil is disrespecting the work that his team put into the designing of the Tempest, but Gil is really just trying to keep the current crew of the Tempest from being killed by the Kett or the Scourge or whatever else Heleus decides to throw at them.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 21:00:42 GMT
Gil.
He was right overall, though he should have been checking in with Kallo and Ryder first and not making surprise changes.
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Post by Petroshenko on Apr 16, 2017 21:39:20 GMT
Prime example how the game needs to get its ass outta 2 (ocasionally 4) choices schematic. There really should be the logical middle option of telling them to work together and that they're BOTH right and wrong on certain aspects of the argument.
Kallo should understand that saftey of the mission and reacting to all the unexpected things encountered in ANdromeda requires modifications, no matter how hard someone worked on the ship before the mission.
Gil needs to understand that disrespecting someone's work ain't gonna lead anywhere in work environment and consulting one of the ship's designer is a logical thing to do when thinking about new improvements.
So I basically switch between backing Kallo and Gil. The whole thing was well written and fun lil story, makes Kallo & Gil more interesting and layered but the conclusion suffers from the mandatory 2-choice resolution.
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Post by doch on Apr 16, 2017 21:40:23 GMT
I sided with Gil ... snip... had to put safety and the needs of the Tempest first. You put safety first yet sided with the man that redesigned the navigation system while the ship was in flight? Seems madness to me. Picked Kallo, he was okay with upgrades but only while the ship was docked/landed. Sounds sane. Not sure what game you were playing, but prior to my involvement, Kallo was never ok with Gil's upgrades/improvements. Also, if you're going to quote me do it right, don't just take snip-its leaving out the rest of the context. You can bold the part you're referencing. It's Madness to side with Kallo when Gil was actually making improvements and upgrades. Kallo, as others pointed out, was just making an emotional appeal. Logically he wasn't correct and in a later discussion, pretty much admitted that. Good thing you're not a real Pathfinder.
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Post by doch on Apr 16, 2017 21:43:22 GMT
Also, wish there had been a few more options in the dialogue, exhorting Gil to be more respectful his communications to Kallo early on.
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Post by lurkinganon on Apr 16, 2017 21:56:49 GMT
You put safety first yet sided with the man that redesigned the navigation system while the ship was in flight? Seems madness to me. Picked Kallo, he was okay with upgrades but only while the ship was docked/landed. Sounds sane. Not sure what game you were playing, but prior to my involvement, Kallo was never ok with Gil's upgrades/improvements. Also, if you're going to quote me do it right, don't just take snip-its leaving out the rest of the context. You can bold the part you're referencing. It's Madness to side with Kallo when Gil was actually making improvements and upgrades. Kallo, as others pointed out, was just making an emotional appeal. Logically he wasn't correct and in a later discussion, pretty much admitted that. Good thing you're not a real Pathfinder. pfft If I was the Pathfinder I'd have fired Gil's ass the first upgrade he snuck in. You consult me on the planned upgrades of MY ship or you are gone.
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Post by doch on Apr 16, 2017 22:06:00 GMT
Not sure what game you were playing, but prior to my involvement, Kallo was never ok with Gil's upgrades/improvements. Also, if you're going to quote me do it right, don't just take snip-its leaving out the rest of the context. You can bold the part you're referencing. It's Madness to side with Kallo when Gil was actually making improvements and upgrades. Kallo, as others pointed out, was just making an emotional appeal. Logically he wasn't correct and in a later discussion, pretty much admitted that. Good thing you're not a real Pathfinder. pfft If I was the Pathfinder I'd have fired Gil's ass the first upgrade he snuck in. You consult me on the planned upgrades of MY ship or you are gone. Well technically, it's not your ship. But don't let details or facts get in way, as "your" ship goes down.
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Post by Seera1024 on Apr 16, 2017 22:08:44 GMT
Prime example how the game needs to get its ass outta 2 (ocasionally 4) choices schematic. There really should be the logical middle option of telling them to work together and that they're BOTH right and wrong on certain aspects of the argument. Kallo should understand that saftey of the mission and reacting to all the unexpected things encountered in ANdromeda requires modifications, no matter how hard someone worked on the ship before the mission. Gil needs to understand that disrespecting someone's work ain't gonna lead anywhere in work environment and consulting one of the ship's designer is a logical thing to do when thinking about new improvements. So I basically switch between backing Kallo and Gil. The whole thing was well written and fun lil story, makes Kallo & Gil more interesting and layered but the conclusion suffers from the mandatory 2-choice resolution. This! So much, this! I hated not being able to call out both of them on where they were wrong with their arguments.
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Post by lurkinganon on Apr 16, 2017 22:09:42 GMT
It's given to me as Pathfinder therefore it's mine.
Tell you whose ship it isn't, Gil's.
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Post by LogicGunn on Apr 16, 2017 22:32:03 GMT
Their arguments both have merit, I lean more towards Kallo. Not for the sentimental crap, but because we are not in Kansas any more. A failure in a system on the Tempest in the Helius Cluster is nothing like one in the Milky Way. There is no back up, resources are limited and I'm not risking my ship to human error, even in the hands of a skilled engineer. I trust Gil to fix things in a pinch, even to redesign, but alterations on the fly are a no go. Too many variables, you can't just feel your way around a system that complex. I like that either way there is an attempt to work together.
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Post by llandwynwyn on Apr 16, 2017 22:54:23 GMT
I don't care how good Gil is, safety first. It's why protocols exist, and I'm sure in ME:A universe modifying a ship while it's on air is a no no, as we can see by Kallo's reaction.
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Post by doch on Apr 16, 2017 22:54:24 GMT
Both of them Kallo and Gil, initially did not handle it well. Gil shouldn't have made the changes without meeting with Pathfinder and Kallo first. Likely, the whole conflict could've been resolved right then. Kallo's sentiment and emotions, were essentially the only reasons for his protest. Objectively, from the information the game was giving, Gil's upgrades were indeed improving the functionality/safety of the Tempest. So, it really is a no-brainer. You have to go with Gil's recommendations..or should. Kallo sharing the ship's blueprints with Gil and Gil showing him respect in that last set of dialogue was a good step forward in mending their professional relationship, as vital crew members.
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Post by parnashwind on Apr 16, 2017 23:11:50 GMT
Both needs to be slapped repeatedly for being childish.
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Post by shaqfu on Apr 16, 2017 23:16:12 GMT
I went with Kallo. I do agree with Gil that upgrades are necessary and we need to adapt. But I agreed more with Kallo that they shouldn't be done at random on the fly without giving us a heads up. Stick to while we are docked and aware of the changes
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Post by kenshen19 on Apr 16, 2017 23:43:29 GMT
I went with Kallo because Gil cheats at cards I just haven't proved it yet!!
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 16, 2017 23:43:29 GMT
In such a case, letting emotions take over centre seat is foolish. That's imo. If I had a choice, I will not side with either of them. There is no side when it comes to the safety of the crew and ship. I'll haul them up and give them a dressing down. Gill, for not respecting the chain of command and presenting a proposal for the mods to the commanding officer. Kallo, for letting the quarrel drag on and on and not bringing it to Ryder's attention since s/he is the CO. Ryder is a fail too for this situation; not stepping in at once when the quarrel was heard.
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Post by Civ on Apr 16, 2017 23:43:35 GMT
Gil, because Kallo never presented a strong argument. Gil was making his decision based on adaptability to Scourge, and Kallo was hanging onto sentimental feelings.
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Post by lurkinganon on Apr 17, 2017 0:10:16 GMT
Except you didn't pay attention to the end result.
Picking Gil results in the fight simply being dealt with and you learn why Kallo is so adament about the issue. Then they bond looking over the ship's past ie the ship specs. So Gil wins but in the end they're doing what Kallo wanted...respecting the work put into it and looking back on the ship's past.
But picking Kallo gives Kallo a little bit of character progression going forward when He talks about making new memories. So instead of the specs, Kallo wants to focus on ways to help other ships deal with the Scourge. Kallo wins but they still end up focusing on the future like Gil argued they should be doing.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 0:36:35 GMT
Gil.
If Kallo didn't want the ship to be upgraded he shouldn't have been bitching to me about the scourge.
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Post by Puberty on Apr 17, 2017 1:10:57 GMT
Both needs to be slapped repeatedly for being childish. This. The whole thing just came off as stupid to me. I especially hated how I couldn't put both of them in their place. Gil was being disrespectful and irresponsible by making high risk changes to the ship without telling Kallo or Ryder and just being blatantly rude. I sympathized with Kallo, but it was clear that he was holding on to what he and his crew created now that they're gone instead of thinking about things rationally. I hate how Bioware made it so that I had to agree with one of them completely when they were both acting like children. We're in a whole new galaxy dealing with the scourge and an already shitty situation, and they're sitting here bitching instead of being professional and acting like adults. I would've slapped them and threaten to fire them both if I were Ryder.
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