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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 16, 2017 22:54:30 GMT
And that's the thing with Andromeda as well. It's not bad, it's ok-ish. But ok-ish is not what made KoTOR and Mass Effect legendary games. It not what made Revan and Shepard so memorable. And this saddens me. To think that Bioware is just no capable of doing games like that anymore... Oh well... the scene in the bar with Not-Wrex was pretty cool though.
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Post by shechinah on Apr 16, 2017 22:59:44 GMT
It might benefit your intended point if you could elaborate on why it is you feel that Ryder does not belong?
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Post by Warrior DM on Apr 16, 2017 23:01:36 GMT
Sorry, but I straight up disagree.
I personally enjoyed Andromeda more than the first Mass Effect, and I'm ready for more. Ryder has far more personality than Shepard, and it's a refreshing take on the typical BioWare protagonist.
The game is far from greatness, but shouldn't be so readily dismissed.
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 16, 2017 23:02:51 GMT
It might benefit your intended point if you could elaborate on why it is you feel that Ryder does not belong? Ryder is not bad, she is ok-ish. That's how I felt playing Andromeda. She doesn't stand out to me, the dialogue feels flat and she doesn't have any defining or memorable moments.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 16, 2017 23:05:15 GMT
I gave you a like for having posted femshep. excellent
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Post by FeralEwok on Apr 16, 2017 23:07:55 GMT
Your opinion is not a terrible opinion. It's ok-ish but it's not what makes for a great thread discussion. It's not what makes the BSN so memorable.
And this saddens me. To think you're just no capable of posting like that anymore.
Oh well...that painting with Not-Revan is pretty cool.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 16, 2017 23:08:34 GMT
I disagree.
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 16, 2017 23:08:45 GMT
Ryder grows as the story progresses. He/she was thrown into a position of leadership when the current pathfinder passed. In the beginning, Ryder is very green, but by the end of the story, Ryder is a strong leader with a loyal team.
People need to get used to the fact that Ryder isn't the stoic, experienced, military person that Shepard was. Ryder is more relate-able to the "average Joe" and he/she rises to the occasion when he/she needs to.
edit: People also need to stop comparing a brand new protagonist to a protagonist that has been with us through three game installments + DLC. There's realistically no way for Ryder to be more memorable than a character that's been around since 2007.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 23:11:07 GMT
Ryder grows as the story progresses. He/she was thrown into a position of leadership when the current pathfinder passed. In the beginning, Ryder is very green, but by the end of the story, Ryder is a strong leader with a loyal team. People need to get used to the fact that Ryder isn't the stoic, experienced, military person that Shepard was. Ryder is more relate-able the the "average Joe" and he/she rises to the occasion when he/she needs to. Very relateable. Shepard was not. Ryder is someone I can shape and connect with and grew as attached to as my squad and crew. Shepard was just a PC I felt in control of, but not truly attached enough to care about her story.
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 16, 2017 23:13:18 GMT
Ryder grows as the story progresses. He/she was thrown into a position of leadership when the current pathfinder passed. In the beginning, Ryder is very green, but by the end of the story, Ryder is a strong leader with a loyal team. People need to get used to the fact that Ryder isn't the stoic, experienced, military person that Shepard was. Ryder is more relate-able the the "average Joe" and he/she rises to the occasion when he/she needs to. I actually see no rise for Ryder at all. One hour into the game you're already a killing machine capable of wiping out entire Keth bases and the only person actively doing stuff to advance the Ai. Although I felt restricted a lot of times when it came to Ryder's character, it was never because of inexperience or lack of military training.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 16, 2017 23:14:51 GMT
Ryder is a phenomenal character and phenomenally well written. Ryder is fulfilling the promise of Hawk. Best RPG protagonist ever. And been a pure joy to play.
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 16, 2017 23:15:07 GMT
edit: People also need to stop comparing a brand new protagonist to a protagonist that has been with us through three game installments + DLC. There's realistically no way for Ryder to be more memorable than a character that's been around since 2007. Revan had one game.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 16, 2017 23:17:48 GMT
Ryder grows as the story progresses. He/she was thrown into a position of leadership when the current pathfinder passed. In the beginning, Ryder is very green, but by the end of the story, Ryder is a strong leader with a loyal team. People need to get used to the fact that Ryder isn't the stoic, experienced, military person that Shepard was. Ryder is more relate-able the the "average Joe" and he/she rises to the occasion when he/she needs to. I actually see no rise for Ryder at all. One hour into the game you're already a killing machine capable of wiping out entire Keth bases and the only person actively doing stuff to advance the Ai. Although I felt restricted a lot of times when it came to Ryder's character, it was never because of inexperience or lack of military training. This is more a gameplay issue. The only way to get around this is to either leave enemies few and far between, or make them all extremely difficult bullet sponges that you need to have lots of allies to defeat. I don't think either are particularly compelling things to have.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 16, 2017 23:18:18 GMT
edit: People also need to stop comparing a brand new protagonist to a protagonist that has been with us through three game installments + DLC. There's realistically no way for Ryder to be more memorable than a character that's been around since 2007. Revan had one game. Actually, he had books and an entire story arc too in SWTOR.
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Post by Warrior DM on Apr 16, 2017 23:19:38 GMT
edit: People also need to stop comparing a brand new protagonist to a protagonist that has been with us through three game installments + DLC. There's realistically no way for Ryder to be more memorable than a character that's been around since 2007. Revan had one game. As well as a sequel that talked about how great Revan was, an entire MMO expansion/Raid, comic books, novels, and plans to be included in the Clone Wars show.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 23:19:52 GMT
I really, really, really strongly disagree, most particularly in respect to Revan. The flip-flopping DS/LS neurotic character is certainly in no way overshadows anyone. And, Andromeda, is actually a very close successor of KOTOR in what it does, and how it does things. Really, probably the two most closely alike games in their SP bundle.
They both are simplified, streamlined version of the games that came before then (in KOTOR's case BG series), with much reduced, but better developed casts, and emphasis on a balanced game presentation, the story, the world and the character interactions. The graphics in KOTOR were also not the best for its time but Okay.
As for being memorable, the Exile could stand shoulder to shoulder with Shepard, and tbh, Ryder. Revan was rather boring character in the game before the slew of fanfiction was published for his EU in books and SWTOR. Which made him even crappier.
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Post by SofNascimento on Apr 16, 2017 23:20:58 GMT
Actually, he had books and an entire story arc too in SWTOR. Most people actually think that hurted the character.
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Post by R1Outcast on Apr 16, 2017 23:21:39 GMT
edit: People also need to stop comparing a brand new protagonist to a protagonist that has been with us through three game installments + DLC. There's realistically no way for Ryder to be more memorable than a character that's been around since 2007. Revan had one game. I thought we were comparing Ryder to Shepard? I guess I'm not really understanding the point of this thread.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 16, 2017 23:26:26 GMT
I actually see no rise for Ryder at all. One hour into the game you're already a killing machine capable of wiping out entire Keth bases and the only person actively doing stuff to advance the Ai. Although I felt restricted a lot of times when it came to Ryder's character, it was never because of inexperience or lack of military training. This is more a gameplay issue. The only way to get around this is to either leave enemies few and far between, or make them all extremely difficult bullet sponges that you need to have lots of allies to defeat. I don't think either are particularly compelling things to have. on this issue too i think they did alright. Earlier levels it felt like Ryder...while being able to defeat the enemy...was barely holding their own. It's only been the last ten levels or so that she has felt like a true bad ass.
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Post by Obsidian Gryphon on Apr 16, 2017 23:28:52 GMT
If the intention is to evaluate the acclaim of Bioware's game chars; Revan, Shepard and Ryder, I suggest taking the game that introduced them. Forget about the rest; books, sequels, etc. That's just lopsided contrasting since Ryder has only the one game to go by.
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Post by kenshen19 on Apr 16, 2017 23:31:06 GMT
I liked female Ryder and at times she even sounded like Shepherd when she yells GO GO GO!! But I just can not get past the male Ryder's VO. It doesn't even sound like he is trying at times and I don't remember ever thinking that with either Shepherd. However one thing I noticed when looking at the timeline is IF there was more than one Shep clone it could be possible the other made the trip to Andromeda. The uproar that would cause brings a smile to my face.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 16, 2017 23:32:37 GMT
If the intention is to evaluate the acclaim of Bioware's game chars; Revan, Shepard and Ryder, I suggest taking the game that introduced them. Forget about the rest; books, sequels, etc. That's just lopsided contrasting since Ryder has only the game to go by. Revan - KOTOR Shepard - ME 1 Ryder - MEA can't speak for Revan since i haven't played kotor but Ryder is legions better then ME 1 Shepard.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 23:32:56 GMT
I liked female Ryder and at times she even sounded like Shepherd when she yells GO GO GO!! But I just can not get past the male Ryder's VO. It doesn't even sound like he is trying at times and I don't remember ever thinking that with either Shepherd. However one thing I noticed when looking at the timeline is IF there was more than one Shep clone it could be possible the other made the trip to Andromeda. The uproar that would cause brings a smile to my face. Tom said he held back and Fryda was more forceful. It helped shaped how different the twins are too. Shepard was one person, but the Ryder twins have different personalities.
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Post by kenshen19 on Apr 16, 2017 23:37:05 GMT
I liked female Ryder and at times she even sounded like Shepherd when she yells GO GO GO!! But I just can not get past the male Ryder's VO. It doesn't even sound like he is trying at times and I don't remember ever thinking that with either Shepherd. However one thing I noticed when looking at the timeline is IF there was more than one Shep clone it could be possible the other made the trip to Andromeda. The uproar that would cause brings a smile to my face. Tom said he held back and Fryda was more forceful. It helped shaped how different the twins are too. Shepard was one person, but the Ryder twins have different personalities. Pretty sure it is purely me not liking the voice acting at all.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 16, 2017 23:37:45 GMT
Tom said he held back and Fryda was more forceful. It helped shaped how different the twins are too. Shepard was one person, but the Ryder twins have different personalities. Pretty sure it is purely me not liking the voice acting at all. Tom himself would agree.
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