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Post by vonuber on Apr 16, 2017 23:40:39 GMT
Yay! Another one of these theads.
Top tip: you can still go play the trilogy if you miss Shepard that much. You can still get to ask Liara about reproduction and go punch a woman who is just doing her job.
And for what it's worth, in my opinion Ryder fits the universe better because people actually treat her as a person (including telling her to fuck off) rather than some power wank fantasy demi goddess.
This is the beauty of it you see - the games are still there to be played if you desire. I might even do so once I've finished ME:A; however I suspect I'll get bored halfway through ME3 again. But we'll see, it's been a while since I've singlehandedly stopped two species wiping each other out just by shouting.
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Post by malgus on Apr 16, 2017 23:43:14 GMT
Your opinion is not a terrible opinion. It's ok-ish but it's not what makes for a great thread discussion. It's not what makes the BSN so memorable. And this saddens me. To think you're just no capable of posting like that anymore. Oh well...that painting with Not-Revan is pretty cool. Can't stop laughing
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 17, 2017 0:00:11 GMT
While it's subjective on what people consider "legendary" I myself don't view mass effect as such period. It's nothing compared to a Zelda, Mario, halo before reach-5 happened. The fact that ME3s ending is still so talked about is part of that as well as Shepard not even being as iconic as the main protagonists in the games I mentioned before. I love this franchise, but I hardly consider it a legendary one and I've never enjoyed Star Wars period so I never even bothered with the games, so can't really talk about KoToR.
That aside, who would you say would fit as the protagonist of Andromeda if you got to make them, my own Ryder to me fits the bill, I mention so much about "science and exploration" and I use military force as minimal as possible, I even put up a science outpost over a military regardless if the kett threat as to me the initiatives purpose is exploration and science, not trying to show force to foreign races and possibly give even more impressions that the Milky Way is there to invade. I don't think Ryder is an issue, I think the narrative just needs improved to refine Ryder's purpose further.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 17, 2017 0:07:35 GMT
Sorry, but I straight up disagree. I personally enjoyed Andromeda more than the first Mass Effect, and I'm ready for more. Ryder has far more personality than Shepard, and it's a refreshing take on the typical BioWare protagonist. The game is far from greatness, but shouldn't be so readily dismissed. Yeah I think in general it feels and plays better than ME1 not sure about ME2/3 though. Tbh I kind of think of MEA as a kind of modern day ME1 just set in a different galaxy.
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Post by derrame on Apr 17, 2017 0:07:45 GMT
Ryder belongs to MEA, he/she is the protagonist, made by Bioware, this character is here, it's new, but we must accept him/her
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 17, 2017 0:08:17 GMT
Actually, he had books and an entire story arc too in SWTOR. Most people actually think that hurted the character. I played SWTOR for a while and did the Revan Flashpoint and the story was terrible. It made no sense at all.
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Post by friffy on Apr 17, 2017 0:09:33 GMT
As someone who loved her Shep very much and was devastated after playing the original end of ME3 I was extremely reluctant to give another ME game a try. As someone who is far beyond her 20ies I prefer more "experienced" playing characters so I was even more reluctant to give a 22 years old "baby" a try. And what can I say? I am VERY happy that I got not just another Shepard, I got a Ryder that is so much fun and so refreshing. And I think it fits very well into Mass Effect - because I never wanted a Shepard 2.0. Although I am quite unhappy about the tons of bugs, although I would love to get a better CC and although I sometimes want a renegate interrupt because I think my Ryder should be a little less nice to some of the a..oles around her I hope BW will continue her adventures. I so much hope we'll see much more of her and see how she "grows" both in age and experience. I would love to see at least 2 or more games around this Char because this char needs time to evolve - like Shepard needed time to evolve in three games. I don't think just a ME1 would have been enough to create such a "god-like" cult status for Commander Shepard - it was good but not that impressive, Shepard grow to my because of her long jorney. So give Ryder at least another adventure and hopefully I can say at the very end of her journey: I love my Ryder as much as I love my Shepard.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 17, 2017 0:10:29 GMT
Yay! Another one of these theads. Top tip: you can still go play the trilogy if you miss Shepard that much. You can still get to ask Liara about reproduction and go punch a woman who is just doing her job. And for what it's worth, in my opinion Ryder fits the universe better because people actually treat her as a person (including telling her to fuck off) rather than some power wank fantasy demi goddess. This is the beauty of it you see - the games are still there to be played if you desire. I might even do so once I've finished ME:A; however I suspect I'll get bored halfway through ME3 again. But we'll see, it's been a while since I've singlehandedly stopped two species wiping each other out just by shouting.Yeah love that bit myself not there yet as I'm still in the first half of the game in my latest run just finished on Surkesh picking up Eve and Mordin.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 17, 2017 0:23:09 GMT
Nah Ryder is a wonderful addition to Mass Effect. Their journey from a person who had responsibility thrown at them and owning up to it, is excellent. The voice acting really helped me get into the character as well. I hope we play more as Ryder.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 1:27:28 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of.
Shepard kicks Ryders ass to high heaven we know that. The rest of the gaming world has been preaching that since launch.
The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves.
Nobody is walking around wearing AI shirts in public.
(Angry Joe yelling DAMN, I MISS SHEPARD! summed up everyones feelings)
So yes Ryder is a DB who doesn't suit the franchise. But we're stuck with them, repeating it non stop is only gonna get the fanboys going.
And you shouldve used the BroShep Femshep fistbump pic.
(Even the fan art is superior in the OT.)
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Post by smilesja on Apr 17, 2017 1:43:17 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of. Shepard kicks Ryders ass to high heaven we know that. The rest of the gaming world has been preaching that since launch. The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves. Nobody is walking around wearing AI shirts in public. (Angry Joe yelling DAMN, I MISS SHEPARD! summed up everyones feelings) So yes Ryder is a DB who doesn't suit the franchise. But we're stuck with them, repeating it non stop is only gonna get the fanboys going. And you shouldve used the BroShep Femshep fistbump pic. (Even the fan art is superior in the OT.)
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2017 2:12:41 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of. Shepard kicks Ryders ass to high heaven we know that. The rest of the gaming world has been preaching that since launch. The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves. Nobody is walking around wearing AI shirts in public. (Angry Joe yelling DAMN, I MISS SHEPARD! summed up everyones feelings) So yes Ryder is a DB who doesn't suit the franchise. But we're stuck with them, repeating it non stop is only gonna get the fanboys going. And you shouldve used the BroShep Femshep fistbump pic. (Even the fan art is superior in the OT.) uhh...first of all i think angry Joe speaks for a segment of fans who just can't let the OT go. I will never understand this unhealthy obsession that some people have in waging internal fan wars. Secondly, what is wrong with liking Ryder? I understand the Shepard love. But i prefer characters who go on a journey and change over the course of a work. Shepard didn't. Shepard competed their character arc when they became Spectre and didn't change from there.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 17, 2017 2:35:47 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of. Shepard kicks Ryders ass to high heaven we know that. The rest of the gaming world has been preaching that since launch. The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves. Nobody is walking around wearing AI shirts in public. (Angry Joe yelling DAMN, I MISS SHEPARD! summed up everyones feelings) So yes Ryder is a DB who doesn't suit the franchise. But we're stuck with them, repeating it non stop is only gonna get the fanboys going. And you shouldve used the BroShep Femshep fistbump pic. (Even the fan art is superior in the OT.) uhh...first of all i think angry Joe speaks for a segment of fans who just can't let the OT go. I will never understand this unhealthy obsession that some people have in waging internal fan wars. Secondly, what is wrong with liking Ryder? I understand the Shepard love. But i prefer characters who go on a journey and change over the course of a work. Shepard didn't. Shepard competed their character arc when they became Spectre and didn't change from there. Shepard had much more added to them even after becoming a spectre. Throughout ME2 you can piss all over Cerberus(just cuz) and the Alliance(cuz they abandoned you and made no effort retrieving your body to even confirm your death), in ME3 even the emotions start coming out as all the weight starts becoming to much. Shepard originally opposes leaving earth but only does so as it's the more logical thing to do, build up that army to reinforce earth. You can also be an ass to companions, Ashley for harping on about your Cerberus ties, vegas for being a wreckless nim rod. Hell after Thessia Shepard could barely speak (she stutters and even hesitated) on what to say)to the Asari councilor because it was a big loss (first time Shepard loses to an opponent and they lose a world in the process), furthered by if you romanced Liara as she's in tears over it being how it's her homeworld. Then you can't forget the final assault on earth, fighting on grounds that are unrecognizable and then saying one last goodbye to your companions (garrus conversation was emotional for both)before meeting star child. in short: Shepard does have a buildup to them, it's completely different than Ryder's however which is why you'll see people shit on Ryder plus some are still attatched to a character that has 3 games to them compared to one with only one. I like both characters for entirely different reasons myself.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2017 2:47:02 GMT
uhh...first of all i think angry Joe speaks for a segment of fans who just can't let the OT go. I will never understand this unhealthy obsession that some people have in waging internal fan wars. Secondly, what is wrong with liking Ryder? I understand the Shepard love. But i prefer characters who go on a journey and change over the course of a work. Shepard didn't. Shepard competed their character arc when they became Spectre and didn't change from there. Shepard had much more added to them even after becoming a spectre. Throughout ME2 you can piss all over Cerberus(just cuz) and the Alliance(cuz they abandoned you and made no effort retrieving your body to even confirm your death), in ME3 even the emotions start coming out as all the weight starts becoming to much. Shepard originally opposes leaving earth but only does so as it's the more logical thing to do, build up that army to reinforce earth. You can also be an ass to companions, Ashley for harping on about your Cerberus ties, vegas for being a wreckless nim rod. Hell after Thessia Shepard could barely speak (she stutters and even hesitated) on what to say)to the Asari councilor because it was a big loss (first time Shepard loses to an opponent and they lose a world in the process), furthered by if you romanced Liara as she's in tears over it being how it's her homeworld. Then you can't forget the final assault on earth, fighting on grounds that are unrecognizable and then saying one last goodbye to your companions (garrus conversation was emotional for both)before meeting star child. in short: Shepard does have a buildup to them, it's completely different than Ryder's however which is why you'll see people shit on Ryder plus some are still attatched to a character that has 3 games to them compared to one with only one. I like both characters for entirely different reasons myself. so do i. I do like Shepard...but i remain unconvinced about Shepards character arc. There are two problems with it: 1. That character stuff happened outside of our control in ME 3. They took control of shep away from.us to make a cheap point. 2.Even with those things Shepard never really changed. Always a Commander. Always a Spectre.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 17, 2017 2:47:45 GMT
I like Shepard but he's bland personality would have hurt this game. As for Angry Joe he didn't even know Vetra wasn't part of the Turian Military. He flat out called her a "typical Turian"
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2017 2:50:17 GMT
I like Shepard but he's bland personality would have hurt this game. As for Angry Joe he didn't even know Vetra wasn't part of the Turian Military. He flat out called her a "typical Turian" vetra is about as opposite from a typical Turian as you can get. Only people who are typical of their species is Drack.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 2:57:14 GMT
I liked female Ryder and at times she even sounded like Shepherd when she yells GO GO GO!! But I just can not get past the male Ryder's VO. It doesn't even sound like he is trying at times and I don't remember ever thinking that with either Shepherd. However one thing I noticed when looking at the timeline is IF there was more than one Shep clone it could be possible the other made the trip to Andromeda. The uproar that would cause brings a smile to my face. I need to hear M!Ryder in a romantic situation. I liked F!Ryder well enough except when she stuttered in romantic dialogues. I do like M!Ryder more than M!Inquisitor, and about as much as M!Hawke. m!Shepard I did like more, but well, he was voicing a real cool character.
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Post by mmoblitz on Apr 17, 2017 3:02:52 GMT
Ryder grows as the story progresses. He/she was thrown into a position of leadership when the current pathfinder passed. In the beginning, Ryder is very green, but by the end of the story, Ryder is a strong leader with a loyal team. People need to get used to the fact that Ryder isn't the stoic, experienced, military person that Shepard was. Ryder is more relate-able to the "average Joe" and he/she rises to the occasion when he/she needs to. edit: People also need to stop comparing a brand new protagonist to a protagonist that has been with us through three game installments + DLC. There's realistically no way for Ryder to be more memorable than a character that's been around since 2007. At the end, Ryder is still a doormat and will forever be a doormat until they bring the old dialogue system back. Ryder can't be much else except different shades of paragon with the current system.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 17, 2017 3:03:00 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of. Well, that's Star Wars for you: a bunch of random characters that people argue about who's really important. I'm just sitting back taking pleasure in people's discomfort with Disney nuking the EU. To be fair, the gaming world is also extremely petty and makes it hard to take it seriously, so what they "preach" isn't something I'd be terribly inclined to take as such. This character kicks that character's ass. This character would get shit done! My pixel dad/mom beats up your pixel dad/mom. Link x Peach slashfic is probably a thing. We should Google this. The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves. Pfff, nuts to that. No amount of sass from a bunch of nerdlingers can elicit feelings of embarrassment if I tell them I'm a Ryder fan. Only because mine hasn't arrived in the mail yet. Well, not everyone's, but that's because I prefer not to have goofy vlog neckbearding be representative of my own opinions on things. Dafuq is a DB? Wait, dingleberry? No douchebag. I got it. Damn, bitch! Oh come on. The franchise had years to gather up fan art, ya drunk. I really need to get off my lazy ass and create some though.
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Post by timebean on Apr 17, 2017 3:03:21 GMT
Ryder is growing on me in my second playthrough, tbh.
While not as impactful as Shep nor as legendary as Revan, Ryder has something pretty cool too, I think.
I would call it...tenacity.
Edited to add - I know I may get boo'ed out of the forums for this, but the Exile from KOTOR 2 was way more interesting than Revan.
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Post by timebean on Apr 17, 2017 3:04:45 GMT
Your opinion is not a terrible opinion. It's ok-ish but it's not what makes for a great thread discussion. It's not what makes the BSN so memorable. And this saddens me. To think you're just no capable of posting like that anymore. Oh well...that painting with Not-Revan is pretty cool. Gah! You are one of my favorites, FeralEwok. Can always count on you to deliver!
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