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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2017 3:07:35 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of. Well, that's Star Wars for you: a bunch of random characters that people argue about who's really important. I'm just sitting back taking pleasure in people's discomfort with Disney nuking the EU. To be fair, the gaming world is also extremely petty and makes it hard to take it seriously, so what they "preach" isn't something I'd be terribly inclined to take as such. This character kicks that character's ass. This character would get shit done! My pixel dad/mom beats up your pixel dad/mom. Link x Peach slashfic is probably a thing. We should Google this. The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves. Pfff, nuts to that. No amount of sass from a bunch of nerdlingers can elicit feelings of embarrassment if I tell them I'm a Ryder fan. Only because mine hasn't arrived in the mail yet.  Well, not everyone's, but that's because I prefer not to have goofy vlog neckbearding be representative of my own opinions on things. Dafuq is a DB? Wait, dingleberry? No douchebag. I got it. Damn, bitch! Oh come on. The franchise had years to gather up fan art, ya drunk. I really need to get off my lazy ass and create some though. to be fair its only a matter of time before they re canonize Revan. |
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 17, 2017 3:08:27 GMT
I like Shepard but he's bland personality would have hurt this game. As for Angry Joe he didn't even know Vetra wasn't part of the Turian Military. He flat out called her a "typical Turian" vetra is about as opposite from a typical Turian as you can get. Only people who are typical of their species is Drack. Which is why I think he barely paid attention to the story |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 17, 2017 3:13:49 GMT
to be fair its only a matter of time before they re canonize Revan. Well, that's fine. I have no strong feelings about Revan either way since I never played any of Bio's SW games. I only know of people's dissatisfaction with what happened to that character. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2017 3:17:06 GMT
And anyone saying that Ryder can't be as 'bad ass' or 'renegade' or even as evil as Shepard just has not played the game. All the arguments against the game...this one annoys me the most.
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Post by kino on Apr 17, 2017 3:17:45 GMT
Personally, I think the Ryder twins are a perfect fit for the MEA universe. I enjoy their dialog and, more importantly, the journey of becoming a Pathfinder, instead of already being something. I do wish they were a little older but, fuck it, I'll take this. It's a good start.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 17, 2017 3:33:00 GMT
I think Ryder fit for the story they were telling. Ryder isn't supposed to be a Jedi or an N7 or a hero at all.
One can agree or disagree whether that makes for a compelling protagonist. I'm straddling the fence on this a lot with Ryder and MEA. On one hand it would be nice to be able to see this character grow over the course of several games, we can follow on the journey from nobody to superhero. On the other hand it does make Ryder feel pretty dopey.
For what its worth I'm willing to give BW a chance to see where this goes. Of course if MEA2 goes a completely different direction and Ryder doesn't return as the protagonist and MEA follows the DA format, well yeah I would definitely agree with the OP then.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 3:33:32 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of. Shepard kicks Ryders ass to high heaven we know that. The rest of the gaming world has been preaching that since launch. The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves. Nobody is walking around wearing AI shirts in public. (Angry Joe yelling DAMN, I MISS SHEPARD! summed up everyones feelings) So yes Ryder is a DB who doesn't suit the franchise. But we're stuck with them, repeating it non stop is only gonna get the fanboys going. And you shouldve used the BroShep Femshep fistbump pic. (Even the fan art is superior in the OT.) Being quoted by you of all people on this underscores the point. Nobody but the die hard BioWare can do no wrong fans are lauding it. |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 3:35:34 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of. Shepard kicks Ryders ass to high heaven we know that. The rest of the gaming world has been preaching that since launch. The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves. Nobody is walking around wearing AI shirts in public. (Angry Joe yelling DAMN, I MISS SHEPARD! summed up everyones feelings) So yes Ryder is a DB who doesn't suit the franchise. But we're stuck with them, repeating it non stop is only gonna get the fanboys going. And you shouldve used the BroShep Femshep fistbump pic. (Even the fan art is superior in the OT.) uhh...first of all i think angry Joe speaks for a segment of fans who just can't let the OT go. I will never understand this unhealthy obsession that some people have in waging internal fan wars. Secondly, what is wrong with liking Ryder? I understand the Shepard love. But i prefer characters who go on a journey and change over the course of a work. Shepard didn't. Shepard competed their character arc when they became Spectre and didn't change from there. So what your excuse for why Hrungr gave it a 5.5 for the same reasons in his review? And He was the one leading the hype train for 5 years in the twitter thread. Keep telling yourselves whatever you need to to get through. |
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Post by armass81 on Apr 17, 2017 3:36:30 GMT
It might benefit your intended point if you could elaborate on why it is you feel that Ryder does not belong? Ryder is not bad, she is ok-ish. That's how I felt playing Andromeda. She doesn't stand out to me, the dialogue feels flat and she doesn't have any defining or memorable moments. Thats kinda problem with the whole game. They played it way too safe. It really doesnt stand out that much, aside from a few things it just tastes bland. Its more Mass Effect, sure, but in the most boring, mundane way possible, almost. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2017 3:37:20 GMT
uhh...first of all i think angry Joe speaks for a segment of fans who just can't let the OT go. I will never understand this unhealthy obsession that some people have in waging internal fan wars. Secondly, what is wrong with liking Ryder? I understand the Shepard love. But i prefer characters who go on a journey and change over the course of a work. Shepard didn't. Shepard competed their character arc when they became Spectre and didn't change from there. So what your excuse for why Hrungr gave it a 5.5 for the same reasons in his review? And He was the one leading the hype train for 5 years in the twitter thread. Keep telling yourselves whatever you need to to get through. What does Hrungrs score have to do with anything? |
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 17, 2017 3:46:41 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of. Shepard kicks Ryders ass to high heaven we know that. The rest of the gaming world has been preaching that since launch. The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves. Nobody is walking around wearing AI shirts in public. (Angry Joe yelling DAMN, I MISS SHEPARD! summed up everyones feelings) So yes Ryder is a DB who doesn't suit the franchise. But we're stuck with them, repeating it non stop is only gonna get the fanboys going. And you shouldve used the BroShep Femshep fistbump pic. (Even the fan art is superior in the OT.) Um I'm alive and played KOTOR as a teenager. |
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Post by Furisco on Apr 17, 2017 3:50:36 GMT
I'll never understand what's the point of getting a "relateable" character.
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Post by Furisco on Apr 17, 2017 3:52:19 GMT
Yay! Another one of these theads. Top tip: you can still go play the trilogy if you miss Shepard that much. You can still get to ask Liara about reproduction and go punch a woman who is just doing her job. Are you butthurt about a funny moment of the trilogy ? |
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 17, 2017 3:55:32 GMT
I'll never understand what's the point of getting a "relateable" character. Helps some people feel more attatched/involved with the character. It's something I've never cared about when it comes to judging characters since I can still enjoy a character even if I can't relate, plus I'd find it boring if I were to relate to them all. |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 3:57:23 GMT
You lost this debate when you included a masked star wars character that nobody alive today ever heard of. Shepard kicks Ryders ass to high heaven we know that. The rest of the gaming world has been preaching that since launch. The Ryder fans cant leave their hidey holes to speak about him on the internet without embarassing themselves. Nobody is walking around wearing AI shirts in public. (Angry Joe yelling DAMN, I MISS SHEPARD! summed up everyones feelings) So yes Ryder is a DB who doesn't suit the franchise. But we're stuck with them, repeating it non stop is only gonna get the fanboys going. And you shouldve used the BroShep Femshep fistbump pic. (Even the fan art is superior in the OT.) Um I'm alive and played KOTOR as a teenager. And we salute you for it. *Lifts Ryncol* |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 3:59:19 GMT
I'll never understand what's the point of getting a "relateable" character. Related to all the main characters was bad enough. *Headbutt love* |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 17, 2017 3:59:19 GMT
Ryder grows as the story progresses. He/she was thrown into a position of leadership when the current pathfinder passed. In the beginning, Ryder is very green, but by the end of the story, Ryder is a strong leader with a loyal team. People need to get used to the fact that Ryder isn't the stoic, experienced, military person that Shepard was. Ryder is more relate-able the the "average Joe" and he/she rises to the occasion when he/she needs to. I actually see no rise for Ryder at all. One hour into the game you're already a killing machine capable of wiping out entire Keth bases and the only person actively doing stuff to advance the Ai. Although I felt restricted a lot of times when it came to Ryder's character, it was never because of inexperience or lack of military training. 1. No your not a killing machine capable of taking out a base. That happen well after Aya. Even then it take time. Lack of military train or not once Ryder learn to kill they get better at it that how fighting is. Just because you have a few month of train to fight does not mean you can't kill like some who has year experience.I just mean you can't do it as well. And no rise of Ryder. I call bs. Starts the first colony. First of the Nexus to have first contact with the angaran and successfully makes an alliance, and COMMANDS A FLEAT OF REMNANT WITH THEIR MIND AND IMPLANT ALONE. How is that a rise? |
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Post by Furisco on Apr 17, 2017 4:02:30 GMT
I'll never understand what's the point of getting a "relateable" character. Helps some people feel more attatched/involved with the character. It's something I've never cared about when it comes to judging characters since I can still enjoy a character even if I can't relate, plus I'd find it boring if I were to relate to them all. Exactly. I want a cool character. Doesn't matter if there's nothing about me on that character. The only thing that matters is how good he is on his own. Different tastes for different people i guess. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2017 4:04:03 GMT
Helps some people feel more attatched/involved with the character. It's something I've never cared about when it comes to judging characters since I can still enjoy a character even if I can't relate, plus I'd find it boring if I were to relate to them all. Exactly. I want a cool character. Doesn't matter if there's nothing about me on that character. The only thing that matters is how good he is on his own. Different tastes for different people i guess. Indeed. But Ryder is plenty cool on their own. |
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 17, 2017 4:05:49 GMT
Um I'm alive and played KOTOR as a teenager. And we salute you for it. *Lifts Ryncol* Romulan Ale is much better. |
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 4:08:58 GMT
And we salute you for it. *Lifts Ryncol* Romulan Ale is much better. *Narrows eyes* Star Trek is for nerds. |
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Post by smilesja on Apr 17, 2017 4:10:37 GMT
Being quoted by you of all people on this underscores the point. Nobody but the die hard BioWare can do no wrong fans are lauding it. Got a source on that? |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2017 4:10:57 GMT
Romulan Ale is much better. *Narrows eyes* Star Trek is for nerds. I've got news for you...so is mass effect. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 17, 2017 4:12:04 GMT
Being quoted by you of all people on this underscores the point. Nobody but the die hard BioWare can do no wrong fans are lauding it. Got a source on that? Damn i should have jumped on that post since i am not in the Bioware can do no wrong crowd. |
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Post by maximusarael020 on Apr 17, 2017 4:12:11 GMT
edit: People also need to stop comparing a brand new protagonist to a protagonist that has been with us through three game installments + DLC. There's realistically no way for Ryder to be more memorable than a character that's been around since 2007. Revan had one game. I also don't really see how Revan is a great character. He/She had a fantastic plot twist. One of the best-written backstories of all time. But the character in game was very hollow. Nothing like Shep at all. I felt anyway. I'm sure others will disagree, but while I love the crap out of KOTOR, I never saw Revan as being that interesting of a person to play. Just that one big plot twist. |
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