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Post by Nightlife on Apr 17, 2017 4:56:35 GMT
Fine, I didn't care about the new characters or circumstances yet to have it matter to me.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 17, 2017 5:01:01 GMT
Ryder has made me reassess the annoyance level of the majority of JRPG protagonists.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 17, 2017 5:02:43 GMT
Ryder has made me reassess the annoyance level of the majority of JRPG protagonists. Impossibru. The voices alone are annoying as frak.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 17, 2017 5:08:25 GMT
Ryder has made me reassess the annoyance level of the majority of JRPG protagonists. Impossibru. The voices alone are annoying as frak. Ryder's voice acting ain't exactly Orson Welles either, bud.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 17, 2017 5:23:18 GMT
Impossibru. The voices alone are annoying as frak. Ryder's voice acting ain't exactly Orson Welles either, bud. Sure as shit better than the latter though.
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Post by Furisco on Apr 17, 2017 5:46:57 GMT
Ryder is fine. But not being able to be a jerk to some people is really shitty. Not a big fan of the four shades of paragon.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 17, 2017 5:55:16 GMT
The power of Ryncol bby. Don't knock it. *Sips Zip*
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Post by maximusarael020 on Apr 17, 2017 6:16:44 GMT
I also don't really see how Revan is a great character. He/She had a fantastic plot twist. One of the best-written backstories of all time. But the character in game was very hollow. Nothing like Shep at all. I felt anyway. I'm sure others will disagree, but while I love the crap out of KOTOR, I never saw Revan as being that interesting of a person to play. Just that one big plot twist. from an external perspective Revan is one of my favorite characters from SWs/ the EU. Along with Luke Obi Wan....and fuck it too many to name. I mean don't get me wrong. He/she has a great back story and if very interesting for who he/she is, but his/her personality is not what made the game. At least not for me. It was the other characters. The companions, the NPC's you met, the story that wove itself across the Galaxy. But while I can remember distinct lines from Shep and really feel like my Shep had a unique personality, Revan did not. Revan was basically Gordon Freeman. Cool story, cool background, but I don't bond with Gordon and I don't bond with Revan.
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 17, 2017 6:38:41 GMT
I like both Shepard and Ryder for different reasons. Is that not allowed? I more appreciate that Ryder is not a copy/paste of Shepard and I enjoy his personality much more. Can't speak to fem Ryder, but I'm a dude. I don't normally dress in women's clothing and hang around in bars. (Not a lumberjack either) So why would I play as chick in a game?
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Post by projectpatdc on Apr 17, 2017 6:42:21 GMT
Sorry, but I straight up disagree. I personally enjoyed Andromeda more than the first Mass Effect, and I'm ready for more. Ryder has far more personality than Shepard, and it's a refreshing take on the typical BioWare protagonist. The game is far from greatness, but shouldn't be so readily dismissed. Yeah I think in general it feels and plays better than ME1 not sure about ME2/3 though. Tbh I kind of think of MEA as a kind of modern day ME1 just set in a different galaxy. This is why I enjoy the game so much. I don't even think about ME2 or ME3 while playing it. ME1 was my favorite game in the trilogy and MEA feels like a modern version of that game. MEA is like Zelda's Twilight Princess to Ocarina of Time for me (but with more bugs)
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Post by vonuber on Apr 17, 2017 7:09:45 GMT
Yay! Another one of these theads. Top tip: you can still go play the trilogy if you miss Shepard that much. You can still get to ask Liara about reproduction and go punch a woman who is just doing her job. Are you butthurt about a funny moment of the trilogy ? If you find it funny that says more about you than me, to be honest.
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Post by darthryder on Apr 17, 2017 7:24:38 GMT
I feel like Bioware listened to the people who said Shepard spoke for himself too much and had too much of his own personality in ME3. As a result, they didn't put too much emphasis on the lines for roleplaying purposes like people asked. I felt like I had a lot more control over my Ryder's personality than I did with my Shepard (not that Shepard's personality ever bothered me)
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Post by Furisco on Apr 17, 2017 7:55:18 GMT
Are you butthurt about a funny moment of the trilogy ? If you find it funny that says more about you than me, to be honest. Yes, it does. No fun allowed people.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 17, 2017 8:17:32 GMT
If you find it funny that says more about you than me, to be honest. Yes, it does. No fun allowed people. It's fun for you (role playing as a soldier) to punch a woman (who is just a reporter asking a question) in the face for no reason?
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Post by cooldude on Apr 17, 2017 8:29:36 GMT
If we didn't play as Shepard in three games, I doubt anyone would care about him/her. And people like Revan, because people like stories where the good guy turns evil and becomes the enemy of the galaxy *cough..Solas*cough.
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Post by fraggle on Apr 17, 2017 8:38:02 GMT
I like both Shepard and Ryder for different reasons. Is that not allowed? I more appreciate that Ryder is not a copy/paste of Shepard and I enjoy his personality much more. Can't speak to fem Ryder, but I'm a dude. I don't normally dress in women's clothing and hang around in bars. (Not a lumberjack either) So why would I play as chick in a game? Hm. Maybe because of roleplaying. I feel like Bioware listened to the people who said Shepard spoke for himself too much and had too much of his own personality in ME3. As a result, they didn't put too much emphasis on the lines for roleplaying purposes like people asked. I felt like I had a lot more control over my Ryder's personality than I did with my Shepard (not that Shepard's personality ever bothered me) But Ryder's personality is based on a lot of autodialogue too. For example I don't like him joking around in bad or dangerous situations, yet I have to swallow his crappy jokes and feel like I often have no control at all about my Ryder, who I wanted to play as professional and logical. I agree Ryder is great to shape if, and only if, you enjoy sarcastic, witty and funny Paragons. That's all that Ryder is. And yeah, while Shepard had a lot of autodialogue as well, they should've learned from that and improve the system. Instead they take away control for some people who wanted to play a more aggressive Ryder. I still think they should've gone with DA2's approach of altering autodialogue depending on which tone choices you used. Now THAT would've probably made me love Ryder from the get-go. I hope they at least make the dialogue system better in MEA2 and let him grow as a person. I don't hate Ryder at all and I feel there's potential there, but he's a quite weak protagonist so far for me.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 9:03:35 GMT
Yes, it does. No fun allowed people. It's fun for you (role playing as a soldier) to punch a woman (who is just a reporter asking a question) in the face for no reason? I punched the crazy man locked in a building ranting without his pills on Eden Prime. He was probably less of a threat than she was. "Say goodnight, Manuel." *Whack*
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Post by jclosed on Apr 17, 2017 9:07:30 GMT
I did not read all the comments in this thread (only the first few pages), but I personally think Ryder is very well "fit for the job" in ME:A.
It's Shepard who would be completely out of tone here. Just imagine. First of all - He's a hardened military, that is used to obey and being obeyed. He is used to give commands, and that people following this commands, because.. Well military. You have to obey or it's mutiny and you can face a court-martial. He is also used to be a Spectre, and knows he's above the law if needed. That makes him great in ME1,2,3, but completely "out of place" in ME:A.
Now - Compare that to Ryder. Ryder is not acting in a military environment. On the contrary - It's a complete civilian operation. That means Ryder has to behave as good as possible, or he will be stripped of his authority and replaced by another pathfinder. He is just an employer, and has to keep his superiors (somewhat) happy. His crew is also not military, so his authority has to be based on loyalty. If some of his crew does not like him or gets deeply offended, they can just walk away without being punished for it. They are no soldiers that have to obey, but civilians that can say "enough is enough, I quit".
As a result Ryder has to be careful, and make sure he does not goes "over the edge". Sure - he can afford to be rude now and then, but no too often and not too harsh. The way Shepard behaves would not be tolerated in a civilian operation. He would be kicked out very soon, and replaced by someone that acts a bit more civilized and is more of a "team player".
Like it or not. The circumstances in ME:A would make Shepard completely out of place, but makes Ryder the ideal candidate.
This is (of course) a personal opinion, but there you have it.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 9:15:47 GMT
I did not read all the comments in this thread (only the first few pages), but I personally think Ryder is very well "fit for the job" in ME:A. It's Shepard who would be completely out of tone here. Just imagine. First of all - He's a hardened military, that is used to obey and being obeyed. He is used to give commands, and that people following this commands, because.. Well military. You have to obey or it's mutiny and you can face a court-martial. He is also used to be a Spectre, and knows he's above the law if needed. Lucky Alec Ryder is dead then because you just described the original human Pathfinder perfectly.
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Post by ayenari on Apr 17, 2017 9:24:16 GMT
I also don't really see how Revan is a great character. He/She had a fantastic plot twist. One of the best-written backstories of all time. But the character in game was very hollow. Nothing like Shep at all. I felt anyway. I'm sure others will disagree, but while I love the crap out of KOTOR, I never saw Revan as being that interesting of a person to play. Just that one big plot twist. That's likely because bioware used to make games were the main player character were more like an empty vessel for self insert personality shaping and seeing the story rather than an actual character on it's own. The fond memories people have of "revan" are likely more just Kotor as a whole. The change to the style of a more defined character first came with Shepard, and hawke for DA, both introducing the dialogue wheel and voiced main characters to their respective franchise.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 17, 2017 9:27:32 GMT
On a good side - Ryder knows that asari don't need other species to reproduce. On a bad - ... uhm, do forum rules allow me to quote these two looters on Kadara? They pretty much sum up this side of Ryder. When Bioware is done with this character growth, Ryder will fit right in.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 9:35:59 GMT
On a good side - Ryder knows that asari don't need other species to reproduce. On a bad - ... uhm, do forum rules allow me to quote these two looters on Kadara? They pretty much sum up this side of Ryder. When Bioware is done with this character growth, Ryder will fit right in. Ryder: Looting is Wrong! Looters: OoOoooo looting is wrooong...what a little bitch, fuck off. SAM: Ryder is provoking them further acheiving anything? Ryder: You're right SAM lets move on...
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 17, 2017 9:36:01 GMT
Yeah I think in general it feels and plays better than ME1 not sure about ME2/3 though. Tbh I kind of think of MEA as a kind of modern day ME1 just set in a different galaxy. This is why I enjoy the game so much. I don't even think about ME2 or ME3 while playing it. ME1 was my favorite game in the trilogy and MEA feels like a modern version of that game. MEA is like Zelda's Twilight Princess to Ocarina of Time for me (but with more bugs) yeah and the worst of the bugs will eventually be dealt with I think. It was stuttering and crashing all over the p;lace for me before 1.05 came out. I tlooks lik it's fixed tha talthough I've not played it proprely yet since the nwe patch but will do again once I'm through ME3.
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Post by jclosed on Apr 17, 2017 9:39:18 GMT
I did not read all the comments in this thread (only the first few pages), but I personally think Ryder is very well "fit for the job" in ME:A. It's Shepard who would be completely out of tone here. Just imagine. First of all - He's a hardened military, that is used to obey and being obeyed. He is used to give commands, and that people following this commands, because.. Well military. You have to obey or it's mutiny and you can face a court-martial. He is also used to be a Spectre, and knows he's above the law if needed. Lucky Alec Ryder is dead then because you just described the original human Pathfinder perfectly. Ehmm.. No. Even Alec has to ask permission to go planet side remember? He can order people around in habitat 7, because it's a crysis situation, and somebody must take the lead. However, back on the Nexus (or ark), he has to thread lightly, because he has no authority. Jep - He has a military training, but he's no Spectre, and he is kicked out of his job because he was messing around with AI. This makes him effectively an ex-military, that has to adapt to a civilian operation (and the clash between him and the ark's captain illustrate he's not very good at that). But indeed - maybe it's for the better he's dead, because chances are big he would clash with civilian authority at a certain point. I think the writers understood that very well.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 17, 2017 9:40:31 GMT
On a good side - Ryder knows that asari don't need other species to reproduce. On a bad - ... uhm, do forum rules allow me to quote these two looters on Kadara? They pretty much sum up this side of Ryder. When Bioware is done with this character growth, Ryder will fit right in. Ryder: Looting is Wrong! Looters: OoOoooo looting is wrooong...what a little bitch, fuck off. SAM: Ryder is provoking them further acheiving anything? Ryder: You're right SAM lets move on... SAM: Wise decision, little bi Pathfinder.
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