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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 9:48:16 GMT
Lucky Alec Ryder is dead then because you just described the original human Pathfinder perfectly. Ehmm.. No. Even Alec has to ask permission to go planet side remember? He can order people around in habitat 7, because it's a crysis situation, and somebody must take the lead. However, back on the Nexus (or ark), he has to thread lightly, because he has no authority. Jep - He has a military training, but he's no Spectre, and he is kicked out of his job because he was messing around with AI. This makes him effectively an ex-military, that has to adapt to a civilian operation (and the clash between him and the ark's captain illustrate he's not very good at that). But indeed - maybe it's for the better he's dead, because chances are big he would clash with civilian authority at a certain point. I think the writers understood that very well. The writers created Alec to be symbolic of Shepard dude. Thats why you accidentally described him in your post. A vet N7 with his own squad of military specialists off on a new mission.....dies and hands over his N7 helmet to the person who would follow in his legacy? Didn't trigger anything at all?
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Post by Sailears on Apr 17, 2017 9:51:48 GMT
Sorry, but I straight up disagree. I personally enjoyed Andromeda more than the first Mass Effect, and I'm ready for more. Ryder has far more personality than Shepard, and it's a refreshing take on the typical BioWare protagonist. The game is far from greatness, but shouldn't be so readily dismissed. While I still consider ME1 the best, MEA is very close behind as all the characters including Ryder are very good. Actually I don't even get the complaints about writing - I think the writing is great and am loving it. Yes it's more light-hearted and "chatty" but given the context and background of several characters, it works. Ryder is extremely relatable (unless I suppose if you're a military veteran then maybe Shepard is more relatable) and has good lines and nuance - both VAs have done a fantastic job here and should be commended.
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Post by cotheer on Apr 17, 2017 10:04:26 GMT
Hyperboles on both sides.
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Post by cooldude on Apr 17, 2017 10:08:04 GMT
Ehmm.. No. Even Alec has to ask permission to go planet side remember? He can order people around in habitat 7, because it's a crysis situation, and somebody must take the lead. However, back on the Nexus (or ark), he has to thread lightly, because he has no authority. Jep - He has a military training, but he's no Spectre, and he is kicked out of his job because he was messing around with AI. This makes him effectively an ex-military, that has to adapt to a civilian operation (and the clash between him and the ark's captain illustrate he's not very good at that). But indeed - maybe it's for the better he's dead, because chances are big he would clash with civilian authority at a certain point. I think the writers understood that very well. The writers created Alec to be symbolic of Shepard dude. Thats why you accidentally described him in your post. A vet N7 with his own squad of military specialists off on a new mission.....dies and hands over his N7 helmet to the person who would follow in his legacy? Didn't trigger anything at all? I never thought about that. good catch.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 17, 2017 10:40:11 GMT
I like both Shepard and Ryder for different reasons. Is that not allowed? I more appreciate that Ryder is not a copy/paste of Shepard and I enjoy his personality much more. Can't speak to fem Ryder, but I'm a dude. I don't normally dress in women's clothing and hang around in bars. (Not a lumberjack either) So why would I play as chick in a game? If you're treating it like an insert. Personally I never do that. I treat Ryder, Shepard, the Warden, Hawke etc. all as characters separate from myself, just as I would, say, Geralt or Lara Croft.
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Post by zipzap2000 on Apr 17, 2017 10:46:26 GMT
The writers created Alec to be symbolic of Shepard dude. Thats why you accidentally described him in your post. A vet N7 with his own squad of military specialists off on a new mission.....dies and hands over his N7 helmet to the person who would follow in his legacy? Didn't trigger anything at all? I never thought about that. good catch. I thought it was a nice touch anyway.
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Post by cheeseandonion on Apr 17, 2017 11:14:23 GMT
Can't stand the Ryders; the frogthroat yank accent, the tumblr humour, the "wit", the inability to take anything seriously. Doesn't help that almost all the companions have Ryder's personality crammed into a different body.
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Post by jediguardian on Apr 17, 2017 11:47:27 GMT
You know Shepard and role play him/her for what... 3 game. But you official know/play Ryder just a month. It's not fair to compare them at all.
And some of us still can't get over Shepard that why they have bias against Ryder.
Revan have only one game BUT don't forget that his/her character/story is part of STAR WARS universe. And we know how huge of STAR WARS fandom. I am not surprise that Revan become legendary for them (and me).
Funny thing is We can have only one Shepard and One Revan (Male or Female) BUT we have both male and female Ryder at the same time.
Scott Ryder and Sara Ryder are not Shepard or Revan. Both of them are individual and they already belong to Mass Effect Universe.
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Post by FireAndBlood on Apr 17, 2017 12:13:29 GMT
I like both Shepard and Ryder for different reasons. Is that not allowed? No you filthy whore!
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Post by nocticolor on Apr 17, 2017 12:43:44 GMT
I liked female Ryder and at times she even sounded like Shepherd when she yells GO GO GO!! But I just can not get past the male Ryder's VO. It doesn't even sound like he is trying at times and I don't remember ever thinking that with either Shepherd. However one thing I noticed when looking at the timeline is IF there was more than one Shep clone it could be possible the other made the trip to Andromeda. The uproar that would cause brings a smile to my face. I remember hearing Sheploo for the first time—I couldn't understand how people managed to stay awake listening to his voice. Tried to suck it up because I wanted to romance Jack, and just couldn't. I do have to say I'm not the biggest fan of male Ryder's voice, either. In any case, I'm one of those people who couldn't imagine Mass Effect without Shepard. And now I absolutely love Ryder. So there's that.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 17, 2017 14:11:30 GMT
Can't stand the Ryders; the frogthroat yank accent, the tumblr humour, the "wit", the inability to take anything seriously. Doesn't help that almost all the companions have Ryder's personality crammed into a different body. Spot on post.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 17, 2017 14:36:52 GMT
Can't stand the Ryders; the frogthroat yank accent, the tumblr humour, the "wit", the inability to take anything seriously. Doesn't help that almost all the companions have Ryder's personality crammed into a different body. The part in bold 1000% I realized that I don't think I would have as much of an issue with Ryder if the entire crew didn't seem to not take anything seriously as well. Everyone got along, everyone was always joking about everything, no tension on the ship. You never got into it with a squadmate, at least I never saw an instance of friction. They had a perfect opportunity with Cora, she just accepts getting leapfrogged right away and that's it. They could have had her resent you for a while, question your decisions, tell you you're inexperienced. Then you could just tell her 'then help me instead of criticizing me," or more bluntly "it is what it is, either deal with it or walk." They could have taken that so many different ways. But they didn't do anywhere near as much as they could have with that. You could have had some points on contention with Jaal about issues that pertained to both your races, how the Angara did some things. Had an entire feeling out process. You don't have an Ashley and her humans first mentality, not liking the whole alliance idea to the point where she tells you its time to put one of your squadmates down for the good of the mission and has no issue doing it. You don't have a Jack/Miranda feud, or the ability to argue with Mordin about the genophage, and go as far as to call him a murderer. Everyone just got along, and everything was always a joke and it just gets corny after a while. I did Liam's loyalty mission last night and the part where you're arguing and the enemy is trying to talk to you, and you keep cutting him off, and he's screaming I won't be ignored. I literally yelled out loud, "who wrote this nonsense?"
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 17, 2017 15:18:43 GMT
Ryder grows as the story progresses. He/she was thrown into a position of leadership when the current pathfinder passed. In the beginning, Ryder is very green, but by the end of the story, Ryder is a strong leader with a loyal team. People need to get used to the fact that Ryder isn't the stoic, experienced, military person that Shepard was. Ryder is more relate-able to the "average Joe" and he/she rises to the occasion when he/she needs to. edit: People also need to stop comparing a brand new protagonist to a protagonist that has been with us through three game installments + DLC. There's realistically no way for Ryder to be more memorable than a character that's been around since 2007. So Shepard is the original Optimus Prime and Ryder is original Rodimus Prime?
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Post by vonuber on Apr 17, 2017 15:21:52 GMT
I literally yelled out loud, "who wrote this nonsense?" Someone with a sense of humour?
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 17, 2017 15:33:00 GMT
I literally yelled out loud, "who wrote this nonsense?" Someone with a sense of humour? Some people think that a sense of humor equals stupid, because they think that people is serious situations who don't seem to be able to take serious things as seriously as they would (or think they would) are just idiots. I look at the world we currently live in I've realized that I can only do 3 things: Laugh, Cry, or go insane at the madness of it. The latter two won't help the world the first could at least help others from falling into a grimdark nihilism abyss. There are others who seemingly want to fall in that abyss and they also want all of pop culture to fall into that same abyss where only a few good works of art come out a LOT of garbage comes out of. It's easy to be a gimdark cynical nihilistic asshole, it's a lot harder to be an optimistic hopeful person in a world that crushes hope.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 17, 2017 15:37:13 GMT
Funny really given how many people moaned about ME3 being all serious and depressing.
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Post by Zemgus on Apr 17, 2017 15:42:30 GMT
I hope Ryder doesn't return if there's a sequel to Andromeda. Let Bioware do their thing and wrap Ryder's story in a DLC.
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Post by rpgmaster on Apr 17, 2017 16:05:35 GMT
I literally yelled out loud, "who wrote this nonsense?" Someone with a sense of humour? That's funnier than anything in the game.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 16:46:32 GMT
I agree Ryder is great to shape if, and only if, you enjoy sarcastic, witty and funny Paragons. That's all that Ryder is. And yeah, while Shepard had a lot of autodialogue as well, they should've learned from that and improve the system. Instead they take away control for some people who wanted to play a more aggressive Ryder. I still think they should've gone with DA2's approach of altering autodialogue depending on which tone choices you used. Now THAT would've probably made me love Ryder from the get-go. I hope they at least make the dialogue system better in MEA2 and let him grow as a person. I don't hate Ryder at all and I feel there's potential there, but he's a quite weak protagonist so far for me. Ryder does have a lot more autodialog than I would have liked. I'm not entirely sure what they were going for - other than to turn up the cinematic feel a few notches. The DA2 mechanics got mixed reviews - a lot of people didn't like having Hawke locked into one of the 3 types. I vaguely remember Gaider describing that as "playing card tricks in the dark" and recognizing that mechanic was not as well-received as they would have liked (or expected) it to be. I think it's fair to say that the vast majority of the autodialog is very matter-of-fact - Ryder is just making comments about where they are and what they're doing. However, I think they screwed up the triggers and should have put a lot more conditions on them. I might drive by a quest location (en route to something else), but Ryder will talk about the pass-through location as if we are stopping there to pursue that quest. Ryder (and sometimes followers) also call out enemies in locations we're driving through, and then makes comments as if we've defeated them when we really just drove right on by without engaging them. That stuff needs to be fixed. As far as the witty or sort-of clever lines go - I think they were just trying to give Ryder a personality that would provide a lighter, more adventurous tone. I think of characters like Han Solo - his overall sense of adventure remained intact even when he was in deep doo. Shrug.
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Post by Furisco on Apr 17, 2017 16:51:57 GMT
Yes, it does. No fun allowed people. It's fun for you (role playing as a soldier) to punch a woman (who is just a reporter asking a question) in the face for no reason? Considering the stupid reason to punch the reporter, the dialogue delivery and the sound effects. Yeah, i would say that was a comic scene and that a lot of people including me thought that was funny. Oh yeah, i forgot the most important part. I t's a game.
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Post by Reorte on Apr 17, 2017 16:53:58 GMT
I realized that I don't think I would have as much of an issue with Ryder if the entire crew didn't seem to not take anything seriously as well. Everyone got along, everyone was always joking about everything, no tension on the ship. You never got into it with a squadmate, at least I never saw an instance of friction. I wouldn't say everyone got along, although the disagreements are more background stuff. There was the Kallo - Gill and Lexi - Peebee stuff, and from the Nomad banter various squadmates seem to have a pretty low opinion of Liam (Vetra and Peebee at any rate).
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Post by Furisco on Apr 17, 2017 16:56:01 GMT
It's fun for you (role playing as a soldier) to punch a woman (who is just a reporter asking a question) in the face for no reason? I punched the crazy man locked in a building ranting without his pills on Eden Prime. He was probably less of a threat than she was. "Say goodnight, Manuel." *Whack* You monster!
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 17, 2017 17:05:09 GMT
And that's the thing with Andromeda as well. It's not bad, it's ok-ish. But ok-ish is not what made KoTOR and Mass Effect legendary games. It not what made Revan and Shepard so memorable. And this saddens me. To think that Bioware is just no capable of doing games like that anymore... Oh well... the scene in the bar with Not-Wrex was pretty cool though. Don't want to nitpick, but... the picture is wrong - Shepard was male, no matter that femshep fanboys want make us to believe otherwise. Just my 0.02$.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 17, 2017 17:12:42 GMT
Don't want to nitpick, but... the picture is wrong - Shepard was male, no matter that femshep fanboys want make us to believe otherwise. Just my 0.02$. Really? Where does it say that?
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Post by Deleted on Apr 17, 2017 17:14:16 GMT
I realized that I don't think I would have as much of an issue with Ryder if the entire crew didn't seem to not take anything seriously as well. Everyone got along, everyone was always joking about everything, no tension on the ship. You never got into it with a squadmate, at least I never saw an instance of friction. Then you haven't been paying attention. In my first playthrough, there were a couple of stretches of time when Jaal would not speak to Ryder because he didn't like some choices she'd made. Drack also expresses his disappointment with certain decisions. Jaal & Gil get into a feud that Ryder can help them resolve, and if you've never taken Vetra & Liam out in the Nomad (post Vetra's LM), I'd suggest you give it a try. I don't remember ever seeing that much open hostility between followers in a BioWare game. (Maybe Tali versus Legion, Miranda versus Jack in ME2 - the circumstances for which had been laid out well in advance). Yeah, that's not true. She does go through an adjustment process and openly questions Alec's decision. They didn't raise it to the heights of full-on operatic drama because Cora is a professional. Jaal's primary reason for joining the team is to keep an eye on things and make sure you're not going to be hurting the angara. There's an entire multi-step, multi-location questline titled "Jaal Ama Darav: Friend or Foe".
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