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Post by colfoley on Apr 18, 2017 18:51:10 GMT
I think perhaps that speaks more toward your taste in porn(prawn)than the apparent quality of FemShep's VO. that's an image i did not need.
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Post by themikefest on Apr 18, 2017 18:53:31 GMT
I prefer Jennifer Hale's voice. She did a good job voicing femshep.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 18, 2017 19:00:45 GMT
I think perhaps that speaks more toward your taste in porn(prawn)than the apparent quality of FemShep's VO. I prefer stockings
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Post by Camel on Apr 18, 2017 20:24:57 GMT
I thought we were comparing Ryder to Shepard? I guess I'm not really understanding the point of this thread. Have you seen a tall guy with a mask behind Shepard? It kinda shows two people not only Shepard in OP.
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Post by Camel on Apr 18, 2017 20:42:48 GMT
probably. But Hale did give the vibe of military bad ass more then meer did and i just find it easier to role play with established voice. If by "military bad ass vibe" you mean the same sort of vibe that chicks in pron movies do, dressed in something representing BDU, then by all means. Otherwise Hales VO as femShep is laughable at best as she tries too hard to sound like "military bad ass" which only brings pron movies references to its vibe. Meer on the other hand sounded very natural in his role, which only added to Sheploo real badassness. So please, stop this nonsense about femShep VO being superior. It was a nice alternative for the lulz, but nothing else, and definitely not anywhere close if we try to review protagonist VO in any seriousness
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 18, 2017 20:45:22 GMT
That video never gets old.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 18, 2017 20:54:33 GMT
probably. But Hale did give the vibe of military bad ass more then meer did and i just find it easier to role play with established voice. If by "military bad ass vibe" you mean the same sort of vibe that chicks in pron movies do, dressed in something representing BDU, then by all means. Otherwise Hales VO as femShep is laughable at best as she tries too hard to sound like "military bad ass" which only brings pron movies references to its vibe. Meer on the other hand sounded very natural in his role, which only added to Sheploo real badassness. So please, stop this nonsense about femShep VO being superior. It was a nice alternative for the lulz, but nothing else, and definitely not anywhere close if we try to review protagonist VO in any seriousness
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Post by sdzald on Apr 18, 2017 20:55:17 GMT
May be it is a generational thing. I am 60+ I just can not seem to connect to the 'kid' No matter how I play and no matter the dialog choices. It also doesn't help that he never seems to lose that goofy look and the feeling that this is just some kind of college fraternity initiation. I don't hate him but I certainly do not like the 'kid' and I am suppose to be playing someone I don't like? It just does not work for me.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 18, 2017 22:49:24 GMT
what does Hale's overrated voice acting have to do with Ryder?
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Post by Lady Artifice on Apr 18, 2017 23:55:45 GMT
probably. But Hale did give the vibe of military bad ass more then meer did and i just find it easier to role play with established voice. If by "military bad ass vibe" you mean the same sort of vibe that chicks in pron movies do, dressed in something representing BDU, then by all means. Otherwise Hales VO as femShep is laughable at best as she tries too hard to sound like "military bad ass" which only brings pron movies references to its vibe. Meer on the other hand sounded very natural in his role, which only added to Sheploo real badassness. So please, stop this nonsense about femShep VO being superior. It was a nice alternative for the lulz, but nothing else, and definitely not anywhere close if we try to review protagonist VO in any seriousness I'm not a terribly big fan of either, but I do--in all seriousness--find Femshep's voice to be the more imposing, simply thanks to the fact that hers sounds more disciplined and his more laid back.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 19, 2017 2:58:17 GMT
If by "military bad ass vibe" you mean the same sort of vibe that chicks in pron movies do, dressed in something representing BDU, then by all means. Otherwise Hales VO as femShep is laughable at best as she tries too hard to sound like "military bad ass" which only brings pron movies references to its vibe. Meer on the other hand sounded very natural in his role, which only added to Sheploo real badassness. So please, stop this nonsense about femShep VO being superior. It was a nice alternative for the lulz, but nothing else, and definitely not anywhere close if we try to review protagonist VO in any seriousness I'm not a terribly big fan of either, but I do--in all seriousness--find Femshep's voice to be the more imposing, simply thanks to the fact that hers sounds more disciplined and his more laid back. I think FemShep is more laid back. MaleShep comes off as a robot with a stick up his ass sometime.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 19, 2017 3:31:47 GMT
I'm not a terribly big fan of either, but I do--in all seriousness--find Femshep's voice to be the more imposing, simply thanks to the fact that hers sounds more disciplined and his more laid back. I think FemShep is more laid back. MaleShep comes off as a robot with a stick up his ass sometime. MaleShep in ME1 is often robotic, but I find Meer made great strides in ME2 and ME3. I think he often doesn't get enough credit as he obviously made an effort to improve greatly over the course of the trilogy. Not as good as Hale with femShep, but that is nothing to feel bad about. She was great the whole way through.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 19, 2017 3:40:34 GMT
I like Ryder just fine. Ryder is an explorer. Shepard is an N7. Revan is an amnesiac Sith Lord. Their goals are all different and they're all different types of characters. I'm actually a big fan of Ryder and I loved Shepard like nobody's business. I don't expect them to look or act the same, or else we can just use Shepard instead.
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Post by fiannawolf on Apr 19, 2017 3:54:31 GMT
I mentioned this in another ryder thread: Feels like Ryder hasn't left the Shire yet, imho, so perhaps give them something bold to do, ie: Mostly Thru Ryder themselves rather then Sam-induced or deduced. I get that Ryder is green and all but due to the VO delivery, it doesnt feel like our protag grew enough in the end. Maybe some dlcs can fix that. Plus it would help if the Twin had more of a presence or role in the game. Since they are our only link to family besides the Momsicle. I think this guy was right about the writing....story spoilers for game if you havent beat it: Ryder Sr. was written pretty dang well for the parts he had. Sidenote: Liked Hale in ME1, much better in ME2/3. Meh about Meer in ME1, Very much improved in ME2/3.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 19, 2017 4:10:13 GMT
I mentioned this in another ryder thread: Feels like Ryder hasn't left the Shire yet, imho, so perhaps give them something bold to do, ie: Mostly Thru Ryder themselves rather then Sam-induced or deduced. I get that Ryder is green and all but due to the VO delivery, it doesnt feel like our protag grew enough in the end. Maybe some dlcs can fix that. Plus it would help if the Twin had more of a presence or role in the game. Since they are our only link to family besides the Momsicle. I think this guy was right about the writing....story spoilers for game if you havent beat it: Ryder Sr. was written pretty dang well for the parts he had. Sidenote: Liked Hale in ME1, much better in ME2/3. Meh about Meer in ME1, Very much improved in ME2/3. Well this is Ryder's rise as a pathfinder. So of course he comes across as green. And I found nothing wrong with the dialogue.
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Post by rasande on Apr 19, 2017 4:15:16 GMT
I never thought they'd make a character that lives up to Shepard but here we are. Love my SisRyder and the voice actress does a great job.
But you know what the difference is between the 3? Revan and Shep are larger than life bad asses, Ryder isn't. And i honestly find that a breath of fresh air in an RPG. Hell if i had my way DadRyder would've stuck around longer and we wouldn't become pathfinder until later in the story.
I liked following him on Habitat 7, i sat there and thought to myself, this is what following Shepard must've been like, and would've liked if that lasted a bit longer. But an RPG where you're essentially the companion for the first part of the game? Yeah, that's probably only me and a hand full of weirdos that would find that fun.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 19, 2017 4:27:16 GMT
I mentioned this in another ryder thread: Feels like Ryder hasn't left the Shire yet, imho, so perhaps give them something bold to do, ie: Mostly Thru Ryder themselves rather then Sam-induced or deduced. I get that Ryder is green and all but due to the VO delivery, it doesnt feel like our protag grew enough in the end. Maybe some dlcs can fix that. Plus it would help if the Twin had more of a presence or role in the game. Since they are our only link to family besides the Momsicle. I think this guy was right about the writing....story spoilers for game if you havent beat it: Agree with most of that video. The constant joking and general lack of appreciation of the task they were undertaking does diminish the narrative BW is trying to sell. There is a big difference between being a newbie and a greenhorn and just not taking anything seriously. It worked up through habitat 7 because they really didn't know how big a shit show they had all just walked into and Alec was there to keep things focused. After that though it should have been a pretty big slap in the face to everyone that 'hey this is some serious crap we just got dumped into". That's not to say there shouldn't have been any light moments but they needed a proper time and place for that. It often just feels like a constant barrage of how "look how laid back and cool we are". They really needed someone like Alec to keep things level. Drack would have served as a great balance here for the less experienced crew members, getting annoyed at all the kids and making sure they understand this is really a fight for survival they are in. Unfortunately he just kinda joins in with all the kids.
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Post by fiannawolf on Apr 19, 2017 4:35:58 GMT
I have this feeling that ME Trilogy and ME:A will turn into OT vs New Trilogy vs Prequel Trilogy fights seen in Star Wars. I suppose Ryder would have grown on me more if I had been maybe 10 years younger....maybe my tastes and needs have changed to the point that ME:A's story really didn't deliver in the way I wanted it to.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 19, 2017 4:37:00 GMT
If what you are saying is true then you would not have the option to select female Shepard as your history in the character creator in Andromeda. But I feel as though this will fall of deaf ears and you will continue to be delusional. Probably should not have bothered. What has character selection anything to do with canon gender of Shepard? Don't look for logic there, because selecting gender is just a fan service. It is on the smae level as bringing transgenders to Andromeda - no logic, just to appease certain fan demographics. So weasel and make as many excuses as you want, that doesn't change that Sheploo-Destroy is canon. It is clear if one has at least some ability to analyze the story and see between the lines. Other options just made for the sake of having a choice and fanservice. You are doing nothing but talking out of your ass. Bioware had stated several times there is no cannon Shepard. All possibilities are up to us.
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Post by Papa Franku on Apr 19, 2017 4:44:45 GMT
A picture of femshep isn't enough to convince me
I think the Ryder's was perfect for the game, I'm glad they didn't copy paste a new Shepard in the game and rather brought in something fresh into the game
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Post by smilesja on Apr 19, 2017 4:49:07 GMT
I mentioned this in another ryder thread: Feels like Ryder hasn't left the Shire yet, imho, so perhaps give them something bold to do, ie: Mostly Thru Ryder themselves rather then Sam-induced or deduced. I get that Ryder is green and all but due to the VO delivery, it doesnt feel like our protag grew enough in the end. Maybe some dlcs can fix that. Plus it would help if the Twin had more of a presence or role in the game. Since they are our only link to family besides the Momsicle. I think this guy was right about the writing....story spoilers for game if you havent beat it: Agree with most of that video. The constant joking and general lack of appreciation of the task they were undertaking does diminish the narrative BW is trying to sell. There is a big difference between being a newbie and a greenhorn and just not taking anything seriously. It worked up through habitat 7 because they really didn't know how big a shit show they had all just walked into and Alec was there to keep things focused. After that though it should have been a pretty big slap in the face to everyone that 'hey this is some serious crap we just got dumped into". That's not to say there shouldn't have been any light moments but they needed a proper time and place for that. It often just feels like a constant barrage of how "look how laid back and cool we are". They really needed someone like Alec to keep things level. Drack would have served as a great balance here for the less experienced crew members, getting annoyed at all the kids and making sure they understand this is really a fight for survival they are in. Unfortunately he just kinda joins in with all the kids. I disagree there were moments where Ryder and the crewmates got very serious. Like when they rescued the Salarian Ark and found out what the Kett were doing to them. Also Ryder, Jaal and the crewmembers reaction to the nature of the Kett in Volied. The game is just lighter in tone, but that didn't mean it did not have its dark moments where the characters reacted in a serious tone.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 19, 2017 5:02:36 GMT
Agree with most of that video. The constant joking and general lack of appreciation of the task they were undertaking does diminish the narrative BW is trying to sell. There is a big difference between being a newbie and a greenhorn and just not taking anything seriously. It worked up through habitat 7 because they really didn't know how big a shit show they had all just walked into and Alec was there to keep things focused. After that though it should have been a pretty big slap in the face to everyone that 'hey this is some serious crap we just got dumped into". That's not to say there shouldn't have been any light moments but they needed a proper time and place for that. It often just feels like a constant barrage of how "look how laid back and cool we are". They really needed someone like Alec to keep things level. Drack would have served as a great balance here for the less experienced crew members, getting annoyed at all the kids and making sure they understand this is really a fight for survival they are in. Unfortunately he just kinda joins in with all the kids. I disagree there were moments where Ryder and the crewmates got very serious. Like when they rescued the Salarian Ark and found out what the Kett were doing to them. Also Ryder, Jaal and the crewmembers reaction to the nature of the Kett in Volied. The game is just lighter in tone, but that didn't mean it did not have its dark moments where the characters reacted in a serious tone. There were moments sure. The point is the dialogue and the characterizations serve to undercut the larger narrative. The AI is literally in a fight for survival when Ryder and the team show up but the characters rarely ever reflect that. To me there is a difference in having a lighter tone and a whole ship full of people acting like they are on spring break. Just too much and too constant of a barrage of the corny jokes and situations to really sell the overarching story of the AI. Some here and there would be fine to break the tension when needed and show some fun lighthearted moments. Heck even a single character who is just not at all serious about anything happening around them (looking at you Liam) would have been fine. A whole ship full of them though just drains the larger story of any tension and importance. The only time I felt like the characters started taking anything seriously was after sibling Ryder got kidnapped. Then it was just a mad dash to the finish and they didn't really have time to fill every blank second of screen time with a joke.
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Post by smilesja on Apr 19, 2017 5:09:02 GMT
I disagree there were moments where Ryder and the crewmates got very serious. Like when they rescued the Salarian Ark and found out what the Kett were doing to them. Also Ryder, Jaal and the crewmembers reaction to the nature of the Kett in Volied. The game is just lighter in tone, but that didn't mean it did not have its dark moments where the characters reacted in a serious tone. There were moments sure. The point is the dialogue and the characterizations serve to undercut the larger narrative. The AI is literally in a fight for survival when Ryder and the team show up but the characters rarely ever reflect that. To me there is a difference in having a lighter tone and a whole ship full of people acting like they are on spring break. Just too much and too constant of a barrage of the corny jokes and situations to really sell the overarching story of the AI. Some here and there would be fine to break the tension when needed and show some fun lighthearted moments. Heck even a single character who is just not at all serious about anything happening around them (looking at you Liam) would have been fine. A whole ship full of them though just drains the larger story of any tension and importance. The only time I felt like the characters started taking anything seriously was after sibling Ryder got kidnapped. Then it was just a mad dash to the finish and they didn't really have time to fill every blank second of screen time with a joke. But the dialogue does often reflect it. An example is when SAM had to "kill" you in order to release the binders. Your squadmates and your Tempest crew were all concerned. I think the issue is that there were a lot more light hearted quests around like movie night, the main quest had a lot of dark moments where the crew reacted appropriately..... so far. Just still going through the main quests.
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Post by fiannawolf on Apr 19, 2017 5:28:54 GMT
Maybe what would have helped the tone more if more sidequests tied into fleshing out the kett, scope of their empire, having more explorations into Remenant setups, not just "vaults".
For me, it felt like I was playing 3 different games with the goals kinda at war with one another. Main story is supposed to be the foundation to the side stories or loyalty missions. Felt like Cora and Drack's were the only ones that tied into the overall main narrative.
No amount of Nomad hopping will ever make me like fetch quests.
I think Ryder Sr's moments would have had even more impact if he was able to stick around and hand off the role more organically? Someone else mentioned it would have been better to keep him around longer and take pathfinder role at a later date. That would have been interesting. Plus I genuinely liked that grumpy N7.
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Post by RakiaTime on Apr 19, 2017 5:59:12 GMT
You are right OP, Ryder doesn't belong with Revan and Shepard because he's not a terrible character but they are.
Shepard has the personality if a cardboard box and the VO to match, Revan has been pissed on by the writers for years and don't even get me started on the Warden.
I'd say Ryder, Inquisitor and Hawke are Bioware's best, Bhaalspawn is decent too
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