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Post by leo3abp on Apr 19, 2017 10:55:01 GMT
What has character selection anything to do with canon gender of Shepard? Don't look for logic there, because selecting gender is just a fan service. It is on the smae level as bringing transgenders to Andromeda - no logic, just to appease certain fan demographics. So weasel and make as many excuses as you want, that doesn't change that Sheploo-Destroy is canon. It is clear if one has at least some ability to analyze the story and see between the lines. Other options just made for the sake of having a choice and fanservice. You are doing nothing but talking out of your ass. Bioware had stated several times there is no cannon Shepard. All possibilities are up to us. It does not matter what Bioware stated as long as they simply trying to pander to different audience and provide fanservice with their statements. Sheploo-Destroy is the canon, period. Denying it would be like denying that water is wet.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 19, 2017 11:03:19 GMT
You are doing nothing but talking out of your ass. Bioware had stated several times there is no cannon Shepard. All possibilities are up to us. It does not matter what Bioware stated as long as they simply trying to pander to different audience and provide fanservice with their statements. Sheploo-Destroy is the canon, period. Denying it would be like denying that water is wet. Unless you can prove it I don't think that's the case and there is nothing in MEA that says that destroy is canon at least not that I could find. Or any of the endings for that mattre so I still believe it's up to our individual Shepards to decide what the ending is for them.
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 19, 2017 11:27:04 GMT
I think he talking about Alec's message about the Milky Way not responding to them once they reached Andromeda. The last we hear from the Milky Way is Liara just before the battle on Earth.
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Post by vonuber on Apr 19, 2017 11:35:03 GMT
It does not matter what Bioware stated as long as they simply trying to pander to different audience and provide fanservice with their statements. Sheploo-Destroy is the canon, period. Denying it would be like denying that water is wet. Surely femshep is canon if bioware pander?
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 19, 2017 12:31:47 GMT
It does not matter what Bioware stated as long as they simply trying to pander to different audience and provide fanservice with their statements. Sheploo-Destroy is the canon, period. Denying it would be like denying that water is wet. Unless you can prove it I don't think that's the case and there is nothing in MEA that says that destroy is canon at least not that I could find. Or any of the endings for that mattre so I still believe it's up to our individual Shepards to decide what the ending is for them. This is not something that needs to be proved. Its an axiom. There is even a hint in a "Shepard lives" scene that devs left as a tiny bridge in case they reconsider and decide to make another sequel or dlc that takes place after final battle, but alas that never happened. Andromeda is just a poor spinoff aimed to provide fanservice and appease as wide range of audience as possible, so no wonder it completely leaves off any reference to OT ending.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 19, 2017 12:41:47 GMT
It does not matter what Bioware stated... Wew...
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Post by LogicGunn on Apr 19, 2017 12:43:40 GMT
I think it's kind of the point that Ryder doesn't belong where she is, in charge of a massive quest to resettle the milky way species in a new galaxy. She's not battle ready like Shepard was. Makes for an interesting game.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 19, 2017 12:50:00 GMT
It does not matter what Bioware stated... Wew... I hope you did read the rest of the post. Also stop quoting things that are ripped out of context.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 19, 2017 12:52:50 GMT
I think it's kind of the point that Ryder doesn't belong where she is, in charge of a massive quest to resettle the milky way species in a new galaxy. She's not battle ready like Shepard was. Makes for an interesting game. Looking at Andromdea - it doesn't. Also being green and out of place =/= acting like goofy idiot that is on his/her springbreak from high school.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 19, 2017 12:54:36 GMT
I hope you did read the rest of the post. Also stop quoting things that are ripped out of context. Heh, context. In context, you're basically saying that anything BioWare says is irrelevant and anything they say is fanservice, oh but the variable world and character states are also fan service. It's all fanservice. We've all been tricked!
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 19, 2017 12:55:52 GMT
I think it's kind of the point that Ryder doesn't belong where she is, in charge of a massive quest to resettle the milky way species in a new galaxy. She's not battle ready like Shepard was. Makes for an interesting game. Looking at Andromdea - it doesn't. Also being green and out of place =/= acting like goofy idiot that is on his/her springbreak from high school. Man my spring breaks were pretty boring. I didn't kill anyone at all.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 19, 2017 13:21:22 GMT
I think it's kind of the point that Ryder doesn't belong where she is, in charge of a massive quest to resettle the milky way species in a new galaxy. She's not battle ready like Shepard was. Makes for an interesting game. It's not like Ryder (Sara at least) was just Alec's kid along for the ride to Andromeda, and had never left Earth before. She had traveled around and seen combat, where there had to have been some sort of command structure. They just took the whole nonchalant thing too far, and it rubbed off on the entire squad it seemed.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 19, 2017 13:47:46 GMT
Looking at Andromdea - it doesn't. Also being green and out of place =/= acting like goofy idiot that is on his/her springbreak from high school. Man my spring breaks were pretty boring. I didn't kill anyone at all. Speaking of killing - that alone is enough of a reason why Ryder does not make sense as a character, not to mention being a protagonist. Killing dozens of both aliens, robots and humans alike supposedly should bring one on the level of the seriousness of situation, no matter how green or young one is. So seeing Ryder mowing down dozen enemies with machine gun and few minutes later acting like 3rd grader while talking with scavengers looting fresh body is alone enough to make that character unredeemable and unwanted for next games. Clearly he either have some very serious mental disorder, or simply an idiot with IQ of a cork to properly understand what happens around him. Certainly such person can not be pathfinder and have thousands of lives depend on him/her, as well as does not provide an interesting player character one can relate to.
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Post by sjsharp2010 on Apr 19, 2017 14:04:45 GMT
I think he talking about Alec's message about the Milky Way not responding to them once they reached Andromeda. The last we hear from the Milky Way is Liara just before the battle on Earth. exactly and we don't know or at least Ryder dosen't know what happens after that which is what I meant in that they've done it in such a way in that no ending is canon which I think was the right thing to do
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 19, 2017 14:32:17 GMT
Man my spring breaks were pretty boring. I didn't kill anyone at all. Speaking of killing - that alone is enough of a reason why Ryder does not make sense as a character, not to mention being a protagonist. Killing dozens of both aliens, robots and humans alike supposedly should bring one on the level of the seriousness of situation, no matter how green or young one is. So seeing Ryder mowing down dozen enemies with machine gun and few minutes later acting like 3rd grader while talking with scavengers looting fresh body is alone enough to make that character unredeemable and unwanted for next games. Clearly he either have some very serious mental disorder, or simply an idiot with IQ of a cork to properly understand what happens around him. Certainly such person can not be pathfinder and have thousands of lives depend on him/her, as well as does not provide an interesting player character one can relate to. Excessive use of hyperboles does your "argument" no favors. I mean, really? Looting corpses is a thing to talk about now? It's a gorram time-honored tradition in RPG's. I refuse to live in a world where I can't loot what I kill.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 19, 2017 14:47:18 GMT
Speaking of killing - that alone is enough of a reason why Ryder does not make sense as a character, not to mention being a protagonist. Killing dozens of both aliens, robots and humans alike supposedly should bring one on the level of the seriousness of situation, no matter how green or young one is. So seeing Ryder mowing down dozen enemies with machine gun and few minutes later acting like 3rd grader while talking with scavengers looting fresh body is alone enough to make that character unredeemable and unwanted for next games. Clearly he either have some very serious mental disorder, or simply an idiot with IQ of a cork to properly understand what happens around him. Certainly such person can not be pathfinder and have thousands of lives depend on him/her, as well as does not provide an interesting player character one can relate to. Excessive use of hyperboles does your "argument" no favors. I mean, really? Looting corpses is a thing to talk about now? It's a gorram time-honored tradition in RPG's. I refuse to live in a world where I can't loot what I kill. eeer... you obviously need to reread what I wrote in my post, the more the better, until you understand what exactly I was talking about when I mentioned scavengers scene. Just to make it easier for you - to put it bluntly , MEA protagonist is total crap of a character, so please you and other people need to stop making up excuses for him/her, and even worse - asking to bring Ryder into sequel. The clearer the message that Ryder is garbage of a character writing, the better chances that there will be better protagonist in then ext game, which ME fan community will only benefit from. So stop doing a disservice to everyone, yourself included.
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Post by unwanted on Apr 19, 2017 14:51:01 GMT
Wow! Op. That picture of Fem-Shep is absolutely awesome. You see that picture then look at the mashed up features of fem-Ryder and think...............Why, oh, why?
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 19, 2017 14:54:56 GMT
Lol woops my bad. Anyway, still the whole hyperbole thing makes this hard to take seriously. I think the relatable thing is getting out of hand. These are spacefaring superheroes for crying out loud. I didn't like our options for the scavengers either, but we're talking about a few seconds of dialogue.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 19, 2017 14:57:33 GMT
Lol woops my bad. Anyway, still the whole hyperbole thing makes this hard to take seriously. I think the relatable thing is getting out of hand. These are spacefaring superheroes for crying out loud. I didn't like our options for the scavengers either, but we're talking about a few seconds of dialogue. Unfortunately those few seconds of dialogue greatly illustrate Ryder character as a whole for the more or less entire game
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 19, 2017 14:58:09 GMT
Just to make it easier for you - to put it bluntly , MEA protagonist is total crap of a character, so please you and other people need to stop making up excuses for him/her, and even worse - asking to bring Ryder into sequel. The clearer the message that Ryder is garbage of a character writing, the better chances that there will be better protagonist in then ext game, which ME fan community will only benefit from. So stop doing a disservice to everyone, yourself included. Nah, I'm going to continue to vocalize my desire for Ryder to return and be a vocal defender of the character in general, and to put it bluntly you know precisely dick about what does or doesn't do me a disservice.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 19, 2017 14:58:55 GMT
Unless you can prove it I don't think that's the case and there is nothing in MEA that says that destroy is canon at least not that I could find. Or any of the endings for that mattre so I still believe it's up to our individual Shepards to decide what the ending is for them. This is not something that needs to be proved. Its an axiom. There is even a hint in a "Shepard lives" scene that devs left as a tiny bridge in case they reconsider and decide to make another sequel or dlc that takes place after final battle, but alas that never happened. Andromeda is just a poor spinoff aimed to provide fanservice and appease as wide range of audience as possible, so no wonder it completely leaves off any reference to OT ending. When someone claims something like this proof is needed. That scene you mentioned was simply a bonus if you had high ems destroy even the devs said that scene was "fan service." That does not make it the cannon ending and you can get it with Femshep as well which kinda proves you wrong.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 19, 2017 15:07:59 GMT
People stop feeding the trolls. Trying get them to admit they are wrong is no different then trying to get the catalysis to see the problem it think organics and synthetics have is not wrong.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 19, 2017 15:09:44 GMT
Since people are arguing over cannon that isn't cannon, I'm going to chime in MY femshep is "cannon" regardless what bioware or other people say, she's the ultimate badass that doesn't have a boring voice :7 sorry, that's all bro shep is, can't go two hours without falling asleep with his voice. I also picked destroy as that was the sole purpose of my fight with the reapers and the rest made no sense and I didn't like the idea of forcing everyone to be part robot and part human and my Shepard would never control the reapers after seeing what they've done, they deserved to be obliterated to dust.
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Post by Elsariel on Apr 19, 2017 15:11:56 GMT
Excessive use of hyperboles does your "argument" no favors. I mean, really? Looting corpses is a thing to talk about now? It's a gorram time-honored tradition in RPG's. I refuse to live in a world where I can't loot what I kill. eeer... you obviously need to reread what I wrote in my post, the more the better, until you understand what exactly I was talking about when I mentioned scavengers scene. Just to make it easier for you - to put it bluntly , MEA protagonist is total crap of a character, so please you and other people need to stop making up excuses for him/her, and even worse - asking to bring Ryder into sequel. The clearer the message that Ryder is garbage of a character writing, the better chances that there will be better protagonist in then ext game, which ME fan community will only benefit from. So stop doing a disservice to everyone, yourself included. So, nobody is allowed to like Ryder as a character? I get that you don't, and that's just dandy, but telling others they can't love Ryder or think they're a good character or else they're doing a disservice to everyone is, frankly, a shitty thing to say and patently false. Kindly get off your high horse, please, and realize there are actually people in the world who don't think like you do.
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Post by sgtsteel91 on Apr 19, 2017 15:17:10 GMT
Maybe people should pick the 'logical' and 'professional' dialogue options more often...
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