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Post by piratesnugglecakes on Apr 19, 2017 16:00:00 GMT
No, Ryder isn't terrible. He just doesn't belong in this game. What was that last Leisure Suit Larry game? The one where you played him at college?
I thought Shephard was fine as a character and his voice acting fit the tone of the game. Ryder to me, sounds like a college kid on a spring break trip. There is no sense of urgency or danger; it's all way cool bro; look, a tree! He doesn't take anything seriously. I think it's partially the voice actor and partially the writing. They traveled 600 odd years; they're in the middle of nowhere; the ship almost was destroyed by some weird space stuff; the other arcs are missing and your weird looking twin is in a coma. No problem bro; let's go for a drive in the space camper and run over some hostile aliens, dude. There's no sense of wonder; no sense of urgency. There's some Nexus political blah blah but nobody seems unduly stressed. I'm 110 hours in and I'm just playing out of curiosity. Every other Mass Effect game, even ME3, before they patched the ending, I replayed after my first play through. When I finished ME3 the second time, I started the whole series over. That is getting hooked on a story; that is getting hooked on a character and wanting to feel it all again from the top.
ME:A? I'm just waiting for it to be over. Ryder wants to park the shaggin wagon and play some beer pong next to the obelisk!
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 19, 2017 16:28:18 GMT
Maybe people should pick the 'logical' and 'professional' dialogue options more often... Oh you think it's that simple, do you? |
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 19, 2017 18:52:49 GMT
Shepard was awesome due to plot armor more than anything.
Revan was gutted as a character in SWTOR.
Ryder isn't equipped to lead.
Cora should've been the Pathfinder and after playing the game it's pretty obvious why.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 19, 2017 18:57:57 GMT
Shepard was awesome due to plot armor more than anything. Revan was gutted as a character in SWTOR. Ryder isn't equipped to lead. Cora should've been the Pathfinder and after playing the game it's pretty obvious why. She may have been groomed for it, but I would have quit the game if she was because she is too damn annoying for my liking. |
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Post by raikas on Apr 19, 2017 19:09:42 GMT
No, Ryder isn't terrible. He just doesn't belong in this game. What was that last Leisure Suit Larry game? The one where you played him at college? I thought Shephard was fine as a character and his voice acting fit the tone of the game. Ryder to me, sounds like a college kid on a spring break trip. There is no sense of urgency or danger; it's all way cool bro; look, a tree! He doesn't take anything seriously. I think it's partially the voice actor and partially the writing. They traveled 600 odd years; they're in the middle of nowhere; the ship almost was destroyed by some weird space stuff; the other arcs are missing and your weird looking twin is in a coma. No problem bro; let's go for a drive in the space camper and run over some hostile aliens, dude. There's no sense of wonder; no sense of urgency. There's some Nexus political blah blah but nobody seems unduly stressed. I'm 110 hours in and I'm just playing out of curiosity. Every other Mass Effect game, even ME3, before they patched the ending, I replayed after my first play through. When I finished ME3 the second time, I started the whole series over. That is getting hooked on a story; that is getting hooked on a character and wanting to feel it all again from the top. ME:A? I'm just waiting for it to be over. Ryder wants to park the shaggin wagon and play some beer pong next to the obelisk! I really like the Leisure Suit Larry comparison. I spent the first 15 or so hours of MEA being annoyed with Ryder. I don't remember exactly what point it was where I realized that if I started thinking of this as humour instead of drama (in the same way that Leisure Suit Larry was never going to be Conquests of the Longbow), I actually started enjoying it more. I still don't think it's a great game, but as soon as I started seeing Ryder as a kid, promoted out of nepotism and just not mature enough to make good decisions I did end up being more amused than annoyed. I realize that's not going to work for everyone, but I genuinely had more fun when I stopped taking it seriously. I don't feel any great drive to replay it, but I don't regret the time I put into it either. |
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Post by setokaiba on Apr 19, 2017 21:44:29 GMT
Man my spring breaks were pretty boring. I didn't kill anyone at all. Speaking of killing - that alone is enough of a reason why Ryder does not make sense as a character, not to mention being a protagonist. Killing dozens of both aliens, robots and humans alike supposedly should bring one on the level of the seriousness of situation, no matter how green or young one is. So seeing Ryder mowing down dozen enemies with machine gun and few minutes later acting like 3rd grader while talking with scavengers looting fresh body is alone enough to make that character unredeemable and unwanted for next games. Clearly he either have some very serious mental disorder, or simply an idiot with IQ of a cork to properly understand what happens around him. Certainly such person can not be pathfinder and have thousands of lives depend on him/her, as well as does not provide an interesting player character one can relate to. That's hardly new in video games. Just look at some RPG character over the years: The Grey Warden, Inquisitor, every Fallout protagonist besides the male sole survivor in Fallout 4 are all very inexperienced. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 19, 2017 22:07:52 GMT
Heh, yeah I picked the wife in FO4 and she's a murder machine that literally eats deathclaws for breakfast.
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Post by Deana on Apr 20, 2017 0:08:23 GMT
I think Shepard had better companions but Ryder is the better protagonist. He/She isn't shoe horned into being someone else's character.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 20, 2017 1:21:42 GMT
Speaking of killing - that alone is enough of a reason why Ryder does not make sense as a character, not to mention being a protagonist. Killing dozens of both aliens, robots and humans alike supposedly should bring one on the level of the seriousness of situation, no matter how green or young one is. So seeing Ryder mowing down dozen enemies with machine gun and few minutes later acting like 3rd grader while talking with scavengers looting fresh body is alone enough to make that character unredeemable and unwanted for next games. Clearly he either have some very serious mental disorder, or simply an idiot with IQ of a cork to properly understand what happens around him. Certainly such person can not be pathfinder and have thousands of lives depend on him/her, as well as does not provide an interesting player character one can relate to. That's hardly new in video games. Just look at some RPG character over the years: The Grey Warden, Inquisitor, every Fallout protagonist besides the male sole survivor in Fallout 4 are all very inexperienced. Actually, in case of Fallout 1 and 2, protagonist would start as relatively experienced in a certain fields, depending on your initial SPECIAL, Perk and skill allocation. Its just that by the midgame player character becomes godlike in certain areas of expertise, and by the endgame in pretty much everything. |
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Post by cooldude on Apr 21, 2017 20:53:01 GMT
I hope Ryder doesn't return if there's a sequel to Andromeda. Let Bioware do their thing and wrap Ryder's story in a DLC. I personally would like to see a mass effect, where we can be Turian, Asari, Salarian, or human. |
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Post by cooldude on Apr 21, 2017 21:18:43 GMT
There is no canonical Shepard, just like there's no canonical ending to the trilogy, and never will be. I don't think there is canon, but there is "canon";Take Kotor for example. In Kotor, Revan could be a man or woman, and he or she could romance Juhani, Carth, or Bastila. But, it was heavily implied that Bastila was the canon romance, and Revan was a man. Later on, it was made canon that Revan was a man that married Bastila, and had children with her; they even made one of the appearance choices from Kotor canon. In a game like Mass Effect, Kotor, whatever, there is no official canon, but there is obviously a certain vision that exists with the writers, and the writers only, that is canon, and if there ever were an official canon, that vision would actually be the official one. |
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 21, 2017 21:28:56 GMT
Say what you want about Ryder, at least she isn't a zombie cyborg. She's got at least that much going for her. For now anyway...
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 21, 2017 21:33:20 GMT
I doubt they'd ever bring that Lazarus crap back. Let's not even speak of it. It's a bad omen.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 21, 2017 21:45:29 GMT
I doubt they'd ever bring that Lazarus crap back. Let's not even speak of it. It's a bad omen. You don't want to talk about "meat and tubes?" |
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 21, 2017 21:51:30 GMT
I doubt they'd ever bring that Lazarus crap back. Let's not even speak of it. It's a bad omen. You don't want to talk about "meat and tubes?" Because that can totally be turned back into a cow...   |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 21, 2017 23:30:55 GMT
I doubt they'd ever bring that Lazarus crap back. Let's not even speak of it. It's a bad omen. You don't want to talk about "meat and tubes?" Gorram Jacob. That sombitch always has to make it weird. Almost makes me wanna go back to ME2 and kill him. |
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 21, 2017 23:32:29 GMT
You don't want to talk about "meat and tubes?" Gorram Jacob. That sombitch always has to make it weird. Almost makes me wanna go back to ME2 and kill him. Kill him? Like dead as dead can be? |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 21, 2017 23:35:23 GMT
Sure why not? Then there won't be a baby cursed with "Shepard" as a first name, then Space Hawke can find someone more interesting.
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Post by danishgambit on Apr 22, 2017 0:16:10 GMT
You don't want to talk about "meat and tubes?" Gorram Jacob. That sombitch always has to make it weird. Almost makes me wanna go back to ME2 and kill him. |
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Post by themikefest on Apr 22, 2017 1:33:56 GMT
Gorram Jacob. That sombitch always has to make it weird. Almost makes me wanna go back to ME2 and kill him. I wouldn't do that. I want him in ME3 to show the ME3 squadmates how to provide cover fire for Shepard  |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 22, 2017 1:42:05 GMT
No, Ryder isn't terrible. He just doesn't belong in this game. What was that last Leisure Suit Larry game? The one where you played him at college? I thought Shephard was fine as a character and his voice acting fit the tone of the game. Ryder to me, sounds like a college kid on a spring break trip. There is no sense of urgency or danger; it's all way cool bro; look, a tree! He doesn't take anything seriously. I think it's partially the voice actor and partially the writing. They traveled 600 odd years; they're in the middle of nowhere; the ship almost was destroyed by some weird space stuff; the other arcs are missing and your weird looking twin is in a coma. No problem bro; let's go for a drive in the space camper and run over some hostile aliens, dude. There's no sense of wonder; no sense of urgency. There's some Nexus political blah blah but nobody seems unduly stressed. I'm 110 hours in and I'm just playing out of curiosity. Every other Mass Effect game, even ME3, before they patched the ending, I replayed after my first play through. When I finished ME3 the second time, I started the whole series over. That is getting hooked on a story; that is getting hooked on a character and wanting to feel it all again from the top. ME:A? I'm just waiting for it to be over. Ryder wants to park the shaggin wagon and play some beer pong next to the obelisk! I really like the Leisure Suit Larry comparison. I spent the first 15 or so hours of MEA being annoyed with Ryder. I don't remember exactly what point it was where I realized that if I started thinking of this as humour instead of drama (in the same way that Leisure Suit Larry was never going to be Conquests of the Longbow), I actually started enjoying it more. I still don't think it's a great game, but as soon as I started seeing Ryder as a kid, promoted out of nepotism and just not mature enough to make good decisions I did end up being more amused than annoyed. I realize that's not going to work for everyone, but I genuinely had more fun when I stopped taking it seriously. I don't feel any great drive to replay it, but I don't regret the time I put into it either. nope. sounds more of an aspect of taste then the issue of the pc. More case of the limit how you can rp ryder. Ryder is a great pc but not for people who like serious pc. |
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Post by raikas on Apr 22, 2017 2:28:24 GMT
I really like the Leisure Suit Larry comparison. I spent the first 15 or so hours of MEA being annoyed with Ryder. I don't remember exactly what point it was where I realized that if I started thinking of this as humour instead of drama (in the same way that Leisure Suit Larry was never going to be Conquests of the Longbow), I actually started enjoying it more. I still don't think it's a great game, but as soon as I started seeing Ryder as a kid, promoted out of nepotism and just not mature enough to make good decisions I did end up being more amused than annoyed. I realize that's not going to work for everyone, but I genuinely had more fun when I stopped taking it seriously. I don't feel any great drive to replay it, but I don't regret the time I put into it either. nope. sounds more of an aspect of taste then the issue of the pc. More case of the limit how you can rp ryder. Ryder is a great pc but not for people who like serious pc." Considering that I was very specifically describing Ryder as a non-serious style of character that's going to appeal to specific tastes and not to others, and then my specific reaction to it, where does the "nope" come from? You might hate the character (or the limitations of it) and fair enough, but you just said yourself that he's not a serious character, and that's the same point I was making. Unless you just mean that Ryder doesn't remind you of Leisure Suit Larry? |
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 22, 2017 4:45:37 GMT
nope. sounds more of an aspect of taste then the issue of the pc. More case of the limit how you can rp ryder. Ryder is a great pc but not for people who like serious pc." Considering that I was very specifically describing Ryder as a non-serious style of character that's going to appeal to specific tastes and not to others, and then my specific reaction to it, where does the "nope" come from? You might hate the character (or the limitations of it) and fair enough, but you just said yourself that he's not a serious character, and that's the same point I was making. Unless you just mean that Ryder doesn't remind you of Leisure Suit Larry? the pc does not need to be seriois. Not even all the time. It's not like Ryder is cracking jokes in the most darkest and dire of moment. At the very lease when thing get serious Ryder does get serious like with choice of the Archon's ship or finding remains of lost colonists. |
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Post by Redhead on Apr 22, 2017 7:40:43 GMT
I must say, I like Ryder - as a person, or rather the way I shaped her: young, emotional woman, excited for new life, adventures and discoveries, who suddenly has to deal with family tragedy and responsibility she didn't expect and definitely doesn't want, but still trying her best to become a professional Pathfinder, to fit in this new role.
But I don't like her as protagonist.
SAM ruined Ryder for me, just as Anchor ruined Inquisitor - idea of being "the one and only to save a day", and not because of personal skills, experience and feats, but because of some "gift", some "accident", is just not appealing to me at all, it cheapens the whole experience.
When we first met Shepard in ME1, she was already Spectre candidate, and she definitely deserved it: about 10 years in military, N7 - elite commando, some extraordinaire feat in her career - it all made her believable, a right person to be first human agent of Council. Prothean beacon didn't gave her a key to save a world, just a vision she didn't even fully understood.
In the end, everything Shepard accomplished was because of who she were. Ryder without SAM is nothing special, not a Pathfinder material for sure - Shepard without a beacon still would be a Spectre, a great soldier, a respected commander.
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Post by mfr001 on Apr 22, 2017 11:01:23 GMT
May be it is a generational thing. I am 60+ I just can not seem to connect to the 'kid' No matter how I play and no matter the dialog choices. It also doesn't help that he never seems to lose that goofy look and the feeling that this is just some kind of college fraternity initiation. I don't hate him but I certainly do not like the 'kid' and I am suppose to be playing someone I don't like? It just does not work for me. It is more likely a reflection of the ways in which different people view life. For the record I am in the same age group. I don't yet know about male Ryder but female Ryder is great fun. In general, I don't remember taking life too seriously at that stage, even though it had its ups and downs. Starting out as a character with limited experience of the world (compared to Shepherd in ME1) is quite refreshing, possibly because I have tended to revert to a more relaxed approach to life over time. (<Full scale grump mode.>Just don't get me started on threads with titles including "we". I am not part of this "we" which they claim exists.</Full scale grump mode.> ) |
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