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Post by setokaiba on Apr 24, 2017 4:59:20 GMT
It does not matter what Bioware stated as long as they simply trying to pander to different audience and provide fanservice with their statements. Sheploo-Destroy is the canon, period. Denying it would be like denying that water is wet. Though that's essentially canon for me I still don't believe this is BioWare canon. Remember, they went out of their way to make the next game in another galaxy just to avoid a canon ending. If they're having a canon ending, why not just continue in the Milky Way? It makes no sense. Pretty much. If Bioware already stated or implied that destroy was the ending they could have continued the series in the Milky Way and saved themselves a lot of headache going to a new galaxy brings. I couldn't give less of a fuck if I tried about what the canon Shepard is. My canon Shepard is a black male and that's all that matters to me. But back to the canon ending thing for a second. It doesn't really matter now to be honest because we are in a whole new galaxy and unless we get a prequel to ME1 or they just scrap ME 3 all together we never going back.
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Post by jimusmc on Apr 24, 2017 5:27:57 GMT
id actually love a ME1 prequel showing the mars data cache and the first contact war.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2017 5:41:48 GMT
id actually love a ME1 prequel showing the mars data cache and the first contact war. Eh, I'd prefer that be a book or something, rather than a 30+ hour game. For the games, I prefer to move forward in the timeline rather than jump back and forth.
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Post by Ahriman on Apr 24, 2017 6:54:21 GMT
And that's the thing with Andromeda as well. It's not bad, it's ok-ish. But ok-ish is not what made KoTOR and Mass Effect legendary games. It not what made Revan and Shepard so memorable. And this saddens me. To think that Bioware is just no capable of doing games like that anymore... Oh well... the scene in the bar with Not-Wrex was pretty cool though. They're replacing the departed professionals with fanboys and fangirls and they think Joss Whedon-style dialogue/direction is great. They'll never be able to engage me emotionally again. The Expanse was written by ME fanboy and somehow doesn't consist from one-liners on 90%. So something tells me it's not about being a fanboy/fangirl.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 24, 2017 13:34:32 GMT
It does not matter what Bioware stated as long as they simply trying to pander to different audience and provide fanservice with their statements. Sheploo-Destroy is the canon, period. Denying it would be like denying that water is wet. Though that's essentially canon for me I still don't believe this is BioWare canon. Remember, they went out of their way to make the next game in another galaxy just to avoid a canon ending. If they're having a canon ending, why not just continue in the Milky Way? It makes no sense. Because canon or not, it simply easier to make a game in a more or less completely detached world. More or less same was made with KOTOR. So in Andromeda BW chose easy way, allowing for more creative freedom in already established setting, and even with all those benefitial conditions they still managed to fail miserably.
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 24, 2017 13:41:45 GMT
You clearly forgetting that Shepard is already much better and more solid protagonist than Ryder in the first ME alone, getting only better and better with each following ME installment. So Ryder chances of catching up seem to be nonexistent - it will take an entirely new character to do that, so might as well get rid of Ryder surname to reduce MEA aftertaste from any future ME games. Please stop making up excuses for MEA terrible character writing, which is all-time low in BW games. I perfectly understand that you simply trying to convince yourself that MEA is a better game that it actually is, because you need to justify those 60+ USD you spent on it, but doing so does not help ME series future in any way, only detracting from it. Fans need to make sure that BW knows how much they screwed up and that low of the lows the MEA is, will not be accepted in the future, so they must pull their shit together. When people make up excuses for Andromeda it only looks as if such low character writing quality is acceptable and will only lead to more low quality games from BW. Just stop and think about what you doing. Ryder right now is ahead of where Shepard was at the end of ME1. Shepard was just a super soldier with very little personality but Ryder at least has some personality. Clearly Shepard is more of badass than Ryder but Ryder was never meant to be one. I agree with you the writing for this could have been much better but let's not pretend like Shepard was some gaming icon after one game. If Shepard story ended after the first game they wouldn't be the beloved character he/she is now but just that character with about as much personality piece of wood. This isn't damage control because I legit like Ryder as a character and want to play with them again in the next game. Bioware just need to step up their writing is all. Following same logic, if MEA ends now, the only reason why Ryder would be less forgettable than Shepard is the amount of mems and bitter aftertaste, and that's hardly a compliment. Shepard was a solid and relatable protagonist in the first game, having enough character and personality from the start while at the same time leaving enough freedom to shape him through entire game. With Ryder we get an immature idiot who stays immature idiot, and entire story feel like a summer break from high school than anything else. That's pretty much true for the entire Tempest crew. The only thing that missing us a boombox and underlights on Nomad, so we can cruise the neighborhood with ma boyZ and get those Angaran chicks. The best course of action for BW would be abandoning MEA and Ryder completely, and pretend they never happened. Let it be just unfortunate spin off. They dont have to ruin remaining reputation of franchise by bringing forward what is essentially a most terrible protagonist ever made in BW games.
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Post by sdzald on Apr 24, 2017 15:09:27 GMT
id actually love a ME1 prequel showing the mars data cache and the first contact war. I have never been a prequel fan of books, movies or games. All I have to do is think of Jar Jar to remind myself.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 24, 2017 21:18:48 GMT
id actually love a ME1 prequel showing the mars data cache and the first contact war. I have never been a prequel fan of books, movies or games. All I have to do is think of Jar Jar to remind myself. Yes, but Jar Jar could have been left out and the prequels would still have problems. Lucas had no consistency with some significant plot threads - like, Leia remembering her mother being sad, something which would be pointless to convey to Luke if she weren't referring to their biological mother. Boring angst-filled teen romance didn't help things, either. A prequel can be done well but it would require research - research that admittedly probably wouldn't take place for an ME prequel.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2017 21:50:46 GMT
Ryder right now is ahead of where Shepard was at the end of ME1. Shepard was just a super soldier with very little personality but Ryder at least has some personality. Clearly Shepard is more of badass than Ryder but Ryder was never meant to be one. I agree with you the writing for this could have been much better but let's not pretend like Shepard was some gaming icon after one game. If Shepard story ended after the first game they wouldn't be the beloved character he/she is now but just that character with about as much personality piece of wood. This isn't damage control because I legit like Ryder as a character and want to play with them again in the next game. Bioware just need to step up their writing is all. Following same logic, if MEA ends now, the only reason why Ryder would be less forgettable than Shepard is the amount of mems and bitter aftertaste, and that's hardly a compliment. Shepard was a solid and relatable protagonist in the first game, having enough character and personality from the start while at the same time leaving enough freedom to shape him through entire game. With Ryder we get an immature idiot who stays immature idiot, and entire story feel like a summer break from high school than anything else. That's pretty much true for the entire Tempest crew. The only thing that missing us a boombox and underlights on Nomad, so we can cruise the neighborhood with ma boyZ and get those Angaran chicks. The best course of action for BW would be abandoning MEA and Ryder completely, and pretend they never happened. Let it be just unfortunate spin off. They dont have to ruin remaining reputation of franchise by bringing forward what is essentially a most terrible protagonist ever made in BW games. Man you're really trying hard to push that road trip movie parallel, to the point of peppering in a smidge of ghettofabulous. I can't wait to see the next chapter of this shit.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 24, 2017 21:57:30 GMT
Following same logic, if MEA ends now, the only reason why Ryder would be less forgettable than Shepard is the amount of mems and bitter aftertaste, and that's hardly a compliment. Shepard was a solid and relatable protagonist in the first game, having enough character and personality from the start while at the same time leaving enough freedom to shape him through entire game. With Ryder we get an immature idiot who stays immature idiot, and entire story feel like a summer break from high school than anything else. That's pretty much true for the entire Tempest crew. The only thing that missing us a boombox and underlights on Nomad, so we can cruise the neighborhood with ma boyZ and get those Angaran chicks. The best course of action for BW would be abandoning MEA and Ryder completely, and pretend they never happened. Let it be just unfortunate spin off. They dont have to ruin remaining reputation of franchise by bringing forward what is essentially a most terrible protagonist ever made in BW games. Man you're really trying hard to push that road trip movie parallel, to the point of peppering in a smidge of ghettofabulous. I can't wait to see the next chapter of this shit. Without going as over the top about it as leo I rather agree with the sentiment. If they just drop Ryder now and whatever comes next moves on to a new protagonist I would agree Ryder ranks pretty low in the list of my favorite game characters. On the other hand I think having such a low starting point gives a lot of room for the character to have some real growth over the course of the next or even multiple games. Not sure how keen I am on BW pulling that off though. If BW thinks they can pull off some better character development than Shepard being all "yeah I died", I say lets see what happens with Ryder. If the next installment is just going to be more of the same though I think it would be best to move on.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 24, 2017 23:04:35 GMT
It's occurred to me now that aside from actually liking Ryder, spite is now a factor in hoping the character returns.
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Post by friffy on Apr 24, 2017 23:10:22 GMT
It's occurred to me now that aside from actually liking Ryder, spite is now a factor in hoping the character returns.
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Post by tjmitchem on Apr 25, 2017 0:53:04 GMT
It's occurred to me now that aside from actually liking Ryder, spite is now a factor in hoping the character returns. +1
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Post by leo3abp on Apr 25, 2017 14:37:14 GMT
It's occurred to me now that aside from actually liking Ryder, spite is now a factor in hoping the character returns. Bad taste is still a taste, so yeah... I sincerely hope that Andromeda total fiasco has taught BW really well, and now they understand which opinions and demographics to completely ignore, and which to listen to closely
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 25, 2017 15:42:48 GMT
It's occurred to me now that aside from actually liking Ryder, spite is now a factor in hoping the character returns. Bad taste is still a taste, so yeah... I sincerely hope that Andromeda total fiasco has taught BW really well, and now they understand which opinions and demographics to completely ignore, and which to listen to closely Well, here's to hoping it's the ones articulated a bit better.
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Post by trinity0 on Apr 25, 2017 17:07:41 GMT
id actually love a ME1 prequel showing the mars data cache and the first contact war. I would like a prequel about the Rising of Shepard.
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 25, 2017 17:17:29 GMT
id actually love a ME1 prequel showing the mars data cache and the first contact war. I would like a prequel about the Rising of Shepard. Honestly, that sounds like a prequel add-on to the trilogy, like Leliana's Song, rather than a standalone game. Also, Shepard has multiple paths to coming into the role. War Hero is really the best one when it comes to actually having some kind of game content.
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Post by trinity0 on Apr 25, 2017 18:13:15 GMT
I would like a prequel about the Rising of Shepard. Honestly, that sounds like a prequel add-on to the trilogy, like Leliana's Song, rather than a standalone game. Also, Shepard has multiple paths to coming into the role. War Hero is really the best one when it comes to actually having some kind of game content. Why not start the Story with the three possible origins (Earth, Colony, Starship) of Shepard, before he joined the alliance. And why not give us the possibility to play all three paths of Shepards Alliance Carreer in differnet playtroughs.
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Post by vilegrim on Apr 25, 2017 19:41:29 GMT
Ryder grows as the story progresses. He/she was thrown into a position of leadership when the current pathfinder passed. In the beginning, Ryder is very green, but by the end of the story, Ryder is a strong leader with a loyal team. People need to get used to the fact that Ryder isn't the stoic, experienced, military person that Shepard was. Ryder is more relate-able to the "average Joe" and he/she rises to the occasion when he/she needs to. edit: People also need to stop comparing a brand new protagonist to a protagonist that has been with us through three game installments + DLC. There's realistically no way for Ryder to be more memorable than a character that's been around since 2007. Thing is with the lack of variety in Ryders responses, s/he feels slightly bland and flat, without any real will.
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Post by cypherj on Apr 25, 2017 19:45:35 GMT
id actually love a ME1 prequel showing the mars data cache and the first contact war. Playable Anderson and Alec Ryder.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 25, 2017 19:51:48 GMT
id actually love a ME1 prequel showing the mars data cache and the first contact war. Playable Anderson and Alec Ryder. A game about pre-ME2 Jack, joining pirate gangs, blowing up space stations, vandalism. It would be a Renegade player's wet dream.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 19:52:56 GMT
Playable Anderson and Alec Ryder. A game about pre-ME2 Jack, joining pirate gangs, blowing up space stations, vandalism. It would be a Renegade player's wet dream. What if you hate jack as a character though? I would have air locked her if I could. Her attitude got annoying.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 25, 2017 19:57:13 GMT
A game about pre-ME2 Jack, joining pirate gangs, blowing up space stations, vandalism. It would be a Renegade player's wet dream. What if you hate jack as a character though? I would have air locked her if I could. Her attitude got annoying. Then go play Hello Kitty Island. Jack is awesome. I kid, I kid. I know it wouldn't appeal to everyone but I would play the heck out of that game. Just like a game about Anderson or someone else wouldn't interest me. But really, a Jack game would be epic!
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Post by themikefest on Apr 25, 2017 19:58:01 GMT
A game about pre-ME2 Jack, joining pirate gangs, blowing up space stations, vandalism. It would be a Renegade player's wet dream. A game about Harbinger becoming the first reaper. A game about Udina becoming Ambassador. Or a game about space Hamster. What his life was like before Shepard bought him. Or better yet. A game about Shepard after she destroys the reapers. excellent
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 19:58:17 GMT
What if you hate jack as a character though? I would have air locked her if I could. Her attitude got annoying. Then go play Hello Kitty Island. Jack is awesome. I kid, I kid. I know it wouldn't appeal to everyone but I would play the heck out of that game. Just like a game about Anderson or someone else wouldn't interest me. But really, a Jack game would be epic! I would rather play pre-indoctrinated Saren leading up to ME1.
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