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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 19, 2017 22:41:06 GMT
I have not played MEA. Mass Effect isn't really my cup of tea, really. I like watching some of the game footage, but overall I'm not into shooters.
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Post by solomace on Apr 19, 2017 22:47:29 GMT
Well I'm not a Witcher fan either. From what I've seen, it's just not my cup of tea (sorry, I just can't play as an old white guy). But I usually just *don't* mention it or compare anything to it, and people leave me alone I'm confused by a lot of people on here. I understand not playing games because you don't like the game, but it seems alot of people hung up on race/gender in their gaming. Red Dead Redemption Tomb Raider Assassins Creed Metal Gear Kratos Nathan Drake The Last of us. Daley Thompsons Decathalon Gordon Freeman All these have different characters looks and if I was to stop and think I cannot play these characters because... well it would be me missing out People are way hung up on toons and think they have to reflect them. Because I'm playing a game, I tend not be so much worried about the the main toons looks but more what they do or allow me to do. Now when I'm playing any games with a Character Creator, then yes I have a look I like and a skin tone, but I would never not play a game just because it's an "old white guy". Horses for courses I know but I find it a bit sad.
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Post by thats1evildude on Apr 19, 2017 22:49:10 GMT
To be clear, I don't care that Geralt is white. I don't like Geralt because he's an asshole with a grating voice.
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Post by mikeymoonshine on Apr 19, 2017 22:50:03 GMT
Dragon Age Origins didn't have many non white characters for the same reason The Witcher series doesn't have many, the DA series changed over time though. Maybe there will be another Witcher game one day that explores other parts of the world where white people are not the vast majority.
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Post by solomace on Apr 19, 2017 22:53:20 GMT
To be clear, I don't care that Geralt is white. I don't like Geralt because he's an asshole with a grating voice. I don't have an issue with you thinking Geralts is an asshole with a grating voice as that is your opinion. To me he's a great character that lets you decide to a large degree what you want him to do such as fight, kill, sleep with etc. And I love his voice. It's not Kevin Mclouds from Grand Designs or Brian Cox the physicist (my wife says I have a bro love for them), but it's still great
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 19, 2017 23:00:55 GMT
Well I'm not a Witcher fan either. From what I've seen, it's just not my cup of tea (sorry, I just can't play as an old white guy). But I usually just *don't* mention it or compare anything to it, and people leave me alone I'm confused by a lot of people on here. I understand not playing games because you don't like the game, but it seems alot of people hung up on race/gender in their gaming. Red Dead Redemption Tomb Raider Assassins Creed Metal Gear Kratos Nathan Drake The Last of us. Daley Thompsons Decathalon Gordon Freeman All these have different characters looks and if I was to stop and think I cannot play these characters because... well it would be me missing out People are way hung up on toons and think they have to reflect them. Because I'm playing a game, I tend not be so much worried about the the main toons looks but more what they do or allow me to do. Now when I'm playing any games with a Character Creator, then yes I have a look I like and a skin tone, but I would never not play a game just because it's an "old white guy". Horses for courses I know but I find it a bit sad. A lot of people like to personalize a character. It makes it "their character" and not someone that is already defined with you just playing the story through their eyes. its why I never go back to do a second playthrough of TW3, it's a great game but not my style to where I'll replay it various times when In a game by bioware I can make various characters (more so the older bioware games as I feel the newer ones are slowly getting away from various options) with the various choices for each character.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 19, 2017 23:03:06 GMT
Oh and to make you happier, those black/eastern folk are highly respected in the world of the witcher. Not respected enough to be included in any of the game footage I've ever watched, apparently. But y'know, I could give two shits about The Witcher or the fact that the setting is whiter than a salt mine at a cracker factory. My whole point was, "No, I really don't like the Witcher, and would rather prefer not to make Dragon Age a Witcher clone." At which point, the rabid fanboys started coming out of the woodwork to exclaim, "Well, clearly you haven't seen enough of the game to appreciate the richness of the setting! Gather 'round, and let us sing you a song of the Bloody Baron and our convoluted crafting system!" I've seen what The Witcher has to offer. Accept that not everyone regards it as the pinnacle of RPGs. "I havent seen it therefore it doesn't exist!" If you must have the info, look up the Koviri from the Hearts of Stone DLC
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Post by solomace on Apr 19, 2017 23:12:20 GMT
I'm confused by a lot of people on here. I understand not playing games because you don't like the game, but it seems alot of people hung up on race/gender in their gaming. Red Dead Redemption Tomb Raider Assassins Creed Metal Gear Kratos Nathan Drake The Last of us. Daley Thompsons Decathalon Gordon Freeman All these have different characters looks and if I was to stop and think I cannot play these characters because... well it would be me missing out People are way hung up on toons and think they have to reflect them. Because I'm playing a game, I tend not be so much worried about the the main toons looks but more what they do or allow me to do. Now when I'm playing any games with a Character Creator, then yes I have a look I like and a skin tone, but I would never not play a game just because it's an "old white guy". Horses for courses I know but I find it a bit sad. A lot of people like to personalize a character. It makes it "their character" and not someone that is already defined with you just playing the story through their eyes. I understand that and I too like to play me when playing any game and if there's a CC all the better, however it seems I can look past this when I'm having to play a ready made character and I can also personalise that character to act like I would in games. I have no problem playing white guys/girls/monsters/elves and in most cases I forget when playing what they actually look like as they become an extension of me and this is usually down to some great writing and game experience that makes you think it is you. Some seem to hung up on no CC in any game they play and miss out on some truly epic games. TW3 being one of them
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 19, 2017 23:33:32 GMT
Well I'm not a Witcher fan either. From what I've seen, it's just not my cup of tea (sorry, I just can't play as an old white guy). But I usually just *don't* mention it or compare anything to it, and people leave me alone I'm confused by a lot of people on here. I understand not playing games because you don't like the game, but it seems alot of people hung up on race/gender in their gaming. Red Dead Redemption Tomb Raider Assassins Creed Metal Gear Kratos Nathan Drake The Last of us. Daley Thompsons Decathalon Gordon Freeman All these have different characters looks and if I was to stop and think I cannot play these characters because... well it would be me missing out People are way hung up on toons and think they have to reflect them. Because I'm playing a game, I tend not be so much worried about the the main toons looks but more what they do or allow me to do. Now when I'm playing any games with a Character Creator, then yes I have a look I like and a skin tone, but I would never not play a game just because it's an "old white guy". Horses for courses I know but I find it a bit sad. Well, I've never played any of those games, so.... At least I'm consistent? I only listed that as one reason why I'm not into Witcher; it's not the only reason.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 19, 2017 23:35:40 GMT
Well, the animation of Leliana's song was terrible, but The Dawn Will Come was great. The dawn will come was corny as fuck. So much cringe and cancer.
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 19, 2017 23:38:06 GMT
Women were, at least in the Elizabethan theatre tradition, not allowed on stage until the mid-1600s. That was the whole friggin' plot of Shakespeare in Love. I thought the big reason why the Witcher can't have non-whites is because "historical accuracy, man." What kind of pseudo-medieval bullshit is this? There are non-whites in the Witcher series. They're just in faraway lands, this isn't modern day Europe...
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Post by dutchsghost7 on Apr 19, 2017 23:44:43 GMT
To be clear, I don't care that Geralt is white. I don't like Geralt because he's an asshole with a grating voice. >Geralt an asshole >hasn't even played the fucking game Geralt's too much of a good guy sometimes.
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Post by isaidlunch on Apr 19, 2017 23:46:15 GMT
its always quite amusing to read people's opinions on TW games as compared to BiOWare games, who haven't played TW games And it's always quite amusing to see Witcher super fans always invading forums talking about how the Witcher 3 is the greatest game of all time and how Bioware should die as a company.
Not that this directs at you, but it's funny to observe.
I consider myself a TW3 fan, I prefer it over any Bioware game, but I sure get sick of seeing the same posters unwilling to admit that anything is wrong with it. These discussions would be a lot less obnoxious if TW3 posters would show some humility and stop pretending that TW3 is a perfect game.
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Post by duckley on Apr 19, 2017 23:50:57 GMT
Guys, let's not get this threat locked, mmkay? Open World has its good points. It can also have downsides. Linear has its good points. It also has downsides. Bioware needs to find a balance between their semi-open-world butthair and excessively linear dungeons. We know they can do this, because they have done it before (Jade Empire, parts of DA:I). ME:A to me, kind of managed to pull the worst of both worlds--large open spaces with nothing interesting to do other than head-scratchinger fetch quests, combined with a few small linear dungeons (I really liked Liam's mission and the asari ark, but the turian ark was ridiculous). Add in a butt-ton of auto-dialogue, and that Character Creator, and the unskippable cutscenes, plus the numerous game-breaking bugs, and well, this is why people are underwhelmed. I am not critical of your comments, but for me, here is the challenge. I personally don't think Bioware needs to find a balance - to me - their games are pretty darn fabulous the way they are.... I am enjoying MEA - the open spaces, the tasks, quests, scenery etc. pretty much loving it. I cant tell you how many times I played DA:I - definitely in the double digits! So what is Bioware to do - create games that you prefer or games that I prefer? Do they incorporate your critique or mine? There are obvious technical problems for sure - those need to be fixed IMO - but i think some of the criticism is about personal preference, and i think that is a tough one for a company to sort out. I hope Bioware keeps on doing what they are doing.... Having said that - diversity is the spice of life, - I guess it would be boring if we all liked the same thing.
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Post by Warrick on Apr 20, 2017 0:19:24 GMT
Guys stop harassing the witcher fans. They get defensive and start throwing about cuck this, snowflake that, and the conversation becomes unenjoyable.
@witcher fans: yes you're right and the snowflakes are wrong. Haha, they're so silly aren't they?
@rest: Okay now let's go back to open worlds and the polygon article.
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Post by slimgrin on Apr 20, 2017 0:23:04 GMT
And it's always quite amusing to see Witcher super fans always invading forums talking about how the Witcher 3 is the greatest game of all time and how Bioware should die as a company.
Not that this directs at you, but it's funny to observe.
I consider myself a TW3 fan, I prefer it over any Bioware game, but I sure get sick of seeing the same posters unwilling to admit that anything is wrong with it. These discussions would be a lot less obnoxious if TW3 posters would show some humility and stop pretending that TW3 is a perfect game. Many TW fans don't bother with these topics, which are more of a BSN phenomena. And many ( including yours truly) tore CDPR a new asshole for some of the plot holes/weak villains in the game. It's still become a seminal title in the genre just like Skyrim before it, and so journos are still opining about it.
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Post by solomace on Apr 20, 2017 0:27:02 GMT
Guys stop harassing the witcher fans. They get defensive and start throwing about cuck this, snowflake that, and the conversation becomes unenjoyable. @witcher fans: yes you're right and the snowflakes are wrong. Haha, they're so silly aren't they? @rest: Okay now let's go back to open worlds and the polygon article. Guys, stop harassing the MEA fans. They get defensive and start throwing about cuck this, snowflake that and the conversation becomes unenjoyable. @mea fans : yes you're right and the snowflakes are wrong. Haha, they're so silly aren't they? @rest : Okay now let's go back to open worlds and the polygon article. See, I can also produce a post that is witty and truthful and is not a complete waste of time.
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 20, 2017 0:37:27 GMT
I'm confused by a lot of people on here. I understand not playing games because you don't like the game, but it seems alot of people hung up on race/gender in their gaming. Red Dead Redemption Tomb Raider Assassins Creed Metal Gear Kratos Nathan Drake The Last of us. Daley Thompsons Decathalon Gordon Freeman All these have different characters looks and if I was to stop and think I cannot play these characters because... well it would be me missing out People are way hung up on toons and think they have to reflect them. Because I'm playing a game, I tend not be so much worried about the the main toons looks but more what they do or allow me to do. Now when I'm playing any games with a Character Creator, then yes I have a look I like and a skin tone, but I would never not play a game just because it's an "old white guy". Horses for courses I know but I find it a bit sad. A lot of people like to personalize a character. It makes it "their character" and not someone that is already defined with you just playing the story through their eyes. its why I never go back to do a second playthrough of TW3, it's a great game but not my style to where I'll replay it various times when In a game by bioware I can make various characters (more so the older bioware games as I feel the newer ones are slowly getting away from various options) with the various choices for each character. You should go play Saints Row 2-4 you can make the character male, female, skinny, fat, attractive, ugly, straight, gay, bisexual, transgender and in part 4 you can make them pretty make them any color of the spectrum that you want and can have 6-7 different voices you can also change your appearance and voice once you get to Steelport. You can play the character as a puckish rouge to a murderous sociopath to all points in between. The story is actually pretty good if you like real good and occasionally very dark satire although part 4 probably goes way overboard on the humor to point where major serious dramatic moments really feel out of place.
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Post by ShadowAngel on Apr 20, 2017 0:44:13 GMT
A lot of people like to personalize a character. It makes it "their character" and not someone that is already defined with you just playing the story through their eyes. its why I never go back to do a second playthrough of TW3, it's a great game but not my style to where I'll replay it various times when In a game by bioware I can make various characters (more so the older bioware games as I feel the newer ones are slowly getting away from various options) with the various choices for each character. Oh for fuck's sake go play Saints Row 2-4 you can make the character male, female, skinny, fat, attractive, ugly, straight, gay, bisexual, transgender, in part 4 you can make them pretty make them any color of the damn spectrum that you want and can have 6-7 different voices. And?? I've played the saints row games and know it's custimzation level.
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Post by solomace on Apr 20, 2017 0:56:09 GMT
Guys, let's not get this threat locked, mmkay? Open World has its good points. It can also have downsides. Linear has its good points. It also has downsides. Bioware needs to find a balance between their semi-open-world butthair and excessively linear dungeons. We know they can do this, because they have done it before (Jade Empire, parts of DA:I). ME:A to me, kind of managed to pull the worst of both worlds--large open spaces with nothing interesting to do other than head-scratchinger fetch quests, combined with a few small linear dungeons (I really liked Liam's mission and the asari ark, but the turian ark was ridiculous). Add in a butt-ton of auto-dialogue, and that Character Creator, and the unskippable cutscenes, plus the numerous game-breaking bugs, and well, this is why people are underwhelmed. So what is Bioware to do - create games that you prefer or games that I prefer? Do they incorporate your critique or mine? There are obvious technical problems for sure - those need to be fixed IMO - but i think some of the criticism is about personal preference, and i think that is a tough one for a company to sort out. I hope Bioware keeps on doing what they are doing.... Having said that - diversity is the spice of life, - I guess it would be boring if we all liked the same thing. Bioware should make games they want to make and we the gamers need to decide if the game is good enough to play. Simple as that. They know they're own history and they should be able to make some great games including new IPs by looking at what they did in the past, what was good and what they can improve on. Unfortunately with EA at the helm, this isn't going to happen. MEA isn't crap and isn't very good by general consensus in the media, forums, reviewers and any other place that MEA is discussed. MEA is just meh. Just because people on here think it's an 8 or a 9 doesn't change the fact that the general view is the game is a 6 or 7 at best. Even Bioware kinda admit to this hence why we had a splashy announcement so soon after release about whats coming next and that they hear us blah blah blah. To say you hope Bioware keeps on doing what they're doing, then you must be living in a bubble because if they continue down the path of openworld with little in it, poor animation, poor writing and releasing games that are still in Alpha/Beta, then they will go the way of the other great houses that EA has acquired and dissolved (bye bye Westwood) as people will simply stop buying their games. All the negative press on MEA hasn't helped one jot and even though it's probably made it's money back, behind close doors I'm sure EA is not happy at all with the reaction the games got and I doubt it's reached it's own projections. There again, maybe it did as people were lured in by the words Mass Effect. They made the same mistake with Star Wars Battlefront and from what I'm reading it seems they acknowledge the faults and SWBF 2 looks to be going someway to rectify the issues of the first one, specifically that hardly anyone played it after a few weeks but I'm waiting for reviews before I even think of buying it. Will MEA get the same treatment and we get an MEA 2? Who knows but sorry to burst your Bioware bubble of love, but the Bioware you loved that produced MET and JE and DAO no longer exists except in name only the dreck that is left are the ones that tow the EA party line. EA wants games that can make them money not just on buying the game but packs. If MP on MEA doesn't make them enough money, then I can see them scrapping the whole ME universe and if they make any more games like MEA or DAI then I would rather they just stopped. Don't worry though, I think some people forget they were great games before MET and great games after. I for one still play MET and I hate the thought that 6/10 games are going to be what we get from now on. £40 mil budget isn't that much for the type of game I would want my ME universe to have. Pay top dollar for better writers, devs and leaders and then maybe we could get something. EA isn't gonna do that because ME isn't Fifa or Madden.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 20, 2017 1:02:54 GMT
Well I'm not a Witcher fan either. From what I've seen, it's just not my cup of tea (sorry, I just can't play as an old white guy). But I usually just *don't* mention it or compare anything to it, and people leave me alone :) I'm confused by a lot of people on here. I understand not playing games because you don't like the game, but it seems alot of people hung up on race/gender in their gaming. Red Dead Redemption Tomb Raider Assassins Creed Metal Gear Kratos Nathan Drake The Last of us. Daley Thompsons Decathalon Gordon Freeman All these have different characters looks and if I was to stop and think I cannot play these characters because... well it would be me missing out People are way hung up on toons and think they have to reflect them. Because I'm playing a game, I tend not be so much worried about the the main toons looks but more what they do or allow me to do. Now when I'm playing any games with a Character Creator, then yes I have a look I like and a skin tone, but I would never not play a game just because it's an "old white guy". Horses for courses I know but I find it a bit sad. It is about how I play the game. For me co-creation and simulation of fellowship/companionship is the most important aspect of the video-games. If it is taken out of it, I'd rather read than play a game. This includes the hero creation process and the building of ties and liaisons with the party. I have named the MP characters I've liked, and thinking about writing character bios for them. I most certainly get the attachment going for the SP lead as well. If I play as a male in the game, it is by choice, and I need to really like him. Also, I think W3 is rather fine with the whole SJW thing, because pretty much every quest description features a liberated medieval female overcoming the social conventions, class oppression and ageism in order to have a free-spirited one-night stand with Geralt. True triumph right there. Sorry could not resist. I know, it is a cheap shot, but after my few months detailed study of Korean wet dreams, courtesy of Hyung-Tae Kim, I am weary of a tour-de-force of the Polish ones. I know, people cringe at the "agendas", but I was not gaming between 2006 and 2013, and left before trying DA/ME, and well, it was quite nice to see more than one romance for a female PC, and gay romances.
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Post by alix626 on Apr 20, 2017 1:11:46 GMT
I tried to play The Witcher 3 but couldn't finish it. It does seem like it's mainly catered to men. A male acquaintance of mine (a man in his late 40's) said 'I killed that bitch (Keira Metz) after I fucked her ass' with such savagery in his voice that just turned me off the game completely. I can't get behind a game that brings out the worst in people.
I come across victims of domestic violence at work and that one just cuts too close to the bone.
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Post by Steelcan on Apr 20, 2017 1:21:49 GMT
I tried to play The Witcher 3 but couldn't finish it. It does seem like it's mainly catered to men. A male acquaintance of mine (a man in his late 40's) said 'I killed that bitch (Keira Metz) after I fucked her ass' with such savagery in his voice that just turned me off the game completely. I can't get behind a game that brings out the worst in people. I come across victims of domestic violence at work and that one just cuts too close to the bone.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 20, 2017 1:25:04 GMT
I tried to play The Witcher 3 but couldn't finish it. It does seem like it's mainly catered to men. A male acquaintance of mine (a man in his late 40's) said 'I killed that bitch (Keira Metz) after I fucked her ass' with such savagery in his voice that just turned me off the game completely. I can't get behind a game that brings out the worst in people. I come across victims of domestic violence at work and that one just cuts too close to the bone. I guess it could be. My problem is I hold western developers to a higher standard then eastern developers. I expect JRPGS like Persona series and Final Fantasy to have set characters and stories because they have always been that way. It's what they excel at, so I don't mind playing those games because it is what I expect of them. Western Developers on the other hand I expect much more out of. I expect to see CC in their games like BioWare and Bethseda. No western developer is exempt from me in this regard.
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Post by solomace on Apr 20, 2017 1:27:34 GMT
I tried to play The Witcher 3 but couldn't finish it. It does seem like it's mainly catered to men. A male acquaintance of mine (a man in his late 40's) said 'I killed that bitch (Keira Metz) after I fucked her ass' with such savagery in his voice that just turned me off the game completely. I can't get behind a game that brings out the worst in people. I come across victims of domestic violence at work and that one just cuts too close to the bone. I know this will get me flamed but here goes. Gaming in general does cater to men. I know a lot more women play games then ever before, but in my 40+ years plus of gaming experience, most games are made with boys/men in mind. Being a male, I'm glad too. Sorry but I don't care if most games are not made with girls or women in mind. Nothing stopping them from playing them. Selfish? Yep. I would be more concerned about your male acquaintance than I would of witcher 3. Yes you can sleep with Keira but it isn't as he said and if i remember it's a romantic seen in the woods and then you get a choice of killing her later in the story but it's only after you make the choice and it isn't like it's a simple kill her or not. If people are going to be looking deeper into games like Witcher 3, then domestic violence is the least of it (is there any tbh. I don't recall). Killing people, slicing them up, burning them, sleeping with prostitutes, in a nutshell they're all nasty. The difference is I love it however unlike some there is no blur for me between fantasy and reality and I know it's only a game At least Witcher 3 has some powerful females to go with the powerful males if that's any consolation.
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