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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 14:42:40 GMT
For MEA, scrap the whole entire game. Because I have no idea where to even begin to salvage it. So yeah, sorry I can't add more to this. How about your top three problems? Right now it's not very clear what you're talking about. We'll let's look at Omega dlc and compare it to Omega rip off in Andromeda. Despite being badly written, the sci-fi feels atmosphere were strong with Omega dlc. Meanwhile Sloane's place did nothing for me and she's a cheap Aria knockoff to boot. Next the planets. Even the cheap off world planets in ME1 were rich in sci-fi feels and that you really felt lIke on the moon and such. In Andromeda, nothing and fake feeling. How about the music? Remember Garrus' mission in ME1 where you guys finally track the mad sci-fi feels doctor and when you finally arrive at his ship, the music and atmosphere is sci-fi feels excellence? Meanwhile the music in Andromeda you don't even notice, let alone feel anything from it. Writing stuff I'll use Garrus again in the story he told in ME1 about the doctor. Or that feeling and revelations when your arive and explore Collector or Reaper ship and everything that transpires there. What do we get in Andromeda? Why space magic scanner that can see the dead chatting in the past and reincarnation hocus pocus. And an alien ship that don't even feel alien or anything at all.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 14:54:06 GMT
A lot of real good talent quit BioWare, so I doubt you don't miss them. I miss them every day I see another nail in the BioWare coffin. Or that they didn't have good reasons to quit. I mean, if you had a job and it started turning bad, wouldn't you quit? Quitting because you can't handle criticism is a deep character flaw and he probably knew EA would devour him eventually. I also don't think he just quit, to relieve himself of the bad media. He's a charismatic guy with a lot of creative vision. He probably already had an offer from Microsoft already waiting for him. If I was a rival tech company, I would be filling my ranks with the brand-name individuals like Hudson to lead. And Terminator... I miss them. They were the nicest, most approachable people that were in the most introverted community that they lived in. Dude, I saw a Bioware badge and beers were on me. Just to sit down and listen to them talk shop was really cool. Same cool as getting a hug from New York Yankees slugger Reggie Jackson because I was one of those dumb six year-olds that didn't have something to autograph. I still remember the smell of the Jerri-curl spray on his neck. 1978. Fast forward to 6th street in Austin, and I'm at the same table as six developers who worked on KoTOR MMO RPG. 2014. I can't say much about the new Bioware. How can I? The official forums, closed. I'm not on Twitter or Facebook, so that avenue is closed. However, I am still surrounded by Bioware fans here. Whether they're disappointed with the new direction or praising it... Bioware still has two of my four beloved franchises. I've already given up on Bethesda to give me a compelling storyline and I want Randy Pitchford of Gearbox crucified upside down for killing of Brothers in Arms. Bioware, still has *it*, but damn if I'm not going to say they can do better. I'm not politically correct. I will say what I feel from the heart. If it sounds like I'm shaming them... it's because I am. However, I will knock someone the fuck out if they cross the line. I've already had my say with a few YouTubers that had no business dragging Sam Maggs into the mud. I also hate being disrespected as a customer. $75 is nothing to me, but when you give me something fundamentally broken, you're never... ever... going to stop hearing about it. Dude, you don't even know the real reason he or anybody at Bioware left. Even when they give a reason it's just some pr nonsense.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 15:00:00 GMT
So do people like Casey Hudson or not? I'm never sure what the consensus is from day to day. If a Bioware employee is working at Bioware, Bioware fans hate them. As soon as they leave, they love them and "want the old Bioware back." Who here doesn't want old Bioware back?
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 25, 2017 15:05:30 GMT
How about your top three problems? Right now it's not very clear what you're talking about. We'll let's look at Omega dlc and compare it to Omega rip off in Andromeda. Despite being badly written, the sci-fi feels atmosphere were strong with Omega dlc. Meanwhile Sloane's place did nothing for me and she's a cheap Aria knockoff to boot. Next the planets. Even the cheap off world planets in ME1 were rich in sci-fi feels and that you really felt lIke on the moon and such. In Andromeda, nothing and fake feeling. How about the music? Remember Garrus' mission in ME1 where you guys finally track the mad sci-fi feels doctor and when you finally arrive at his ship, the music and atmosphere is sci-fi feels excellence? Meanwhile the music in Andromeda you don't even notice, let alone feel anything from it. Writing stuff I'll use Garrus again in the story he told in ME1 about the doctor. Or that feeling and revelations when your arive and explore Collector or Reaper ship and everything that transpires there. What do we get in Andromeda? Why space magic scanner that can see the dead chatting in the past and reincarnation hocus pocus. And an alien ship that don't even feel alien or anything at all. I would not call Kadara badly written. At the very least I could say is that at the least you can deal with and see the social issues of Kadara unlike with omega which you walked shot some guys and then leave. I agree that the planet are knock off but that does not mean they don't have a sci-fi feel, it just means it's not original. But then the planets in ME1 were not original ether. Also, me1-3 has scanners like what sam has, that's not out of place. And kett ships don't feel alien, ha. Nope, they are nothing but off and strangeness this there designs. And what about when you find out the truth about the angaran's?
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 25, 2017 15:06:20 GMT
If a Bioware employee is working at Bioware, Bioware fans hate them. As soon as they leave, they love them and "want the old Bioware back." Who here doesn't want old Bioware back? who of old bw wants to come back after how everyone reacted over the ending?
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Post by Cyberstrike on Apr 25, 2017 15:10:07 GMT
So do people like Casey Hudson or not? I'm never sure what the consensus is from day to day. Truth. Fickleness has always been strong in the BSN. It is an old tale: People hated ME2 when it came out for not being like ME1. People hated ME3 when it came out for the endings then suddenly liked ME2. People hate ME:A because it's not like ME3 and they now suddenly like it. People hated DA2 because it wasn't like DA:O. People hated DA:I because it wasn't like DA2 and now suddenly they like it. I wouldn't be surprised if people hated ME1 and DA:O for being a Babylon 5 and a Dragonslayer rip-off respectfully. I prominence you that the same damn people will hate DA4 and ME:A2 (if they're made) will then suddenly like DA:I and ME:A.
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Post by kotoreffect3 on Apr 25, 2017 15:10:46 GMT
I bet the fan base is regretting driving him away now. I guarantee MEA would have been tighter, more polished, and would have maintained more of a Mass Effect feel if he were still running the show. There is a lesson here gamers need to learn even though we know it is one they refuse to learn. The lesson for gamers is this. DON'T BE A DICK
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Post by CrutchCricket on Apr 25, 2017 15:32:32 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if people hated ME1 and DA:O for being a Babylon 5 and a Dragonslayer rip-off respectfully. I don't hate ME1 for being a B5 ripoff. I just hate that they didn't finish the job right.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 15:39:56 GMT
We'll let's look at Omega dlc and compare it to Omega rip off in Andromeda. Despite being badly written, the sci-fi feels atmosphere were strong with Omega dlc. Meanwhile Sloane's place did nothing for me and she's a cheap Aria knockoff to boot. Next the planets. Even the cheap off world planets in ME1 were rich in sci-fi feels and that you really felt lIke on the moon and such. In Andromeda, nothing and fake feeling. How about the music? Remember Garrus' mission in ME1 where you guys finally track the mad sci-fi feels doctor and when you finally arrive at his ship, the music and atmosphere is sci-fi feels excellence? Meanwhile the music in Andromeda you don't even notice, let alone feel anything from it. Writing stuff I'll use Garrus again in the story he told in ME1 about the doctor. Or that feeling and revelations when your arive and explore Collector or Reaper ship and everything that transpires there. What do we get in Andromeda? Why space magic scanner that can see the dead chatting in the past and reincarnation hocus pocus. And an alien ship that don't even feel alien or anything at all. I would not call Kadara badly written. At the very least I could say is that at the least you can deal with and see the social issues of Kadara unlike with omega which you walked shot some guys and then leave. I agree that the planet are knock off but that does not mean they don't have a sci-fi feel, it just means it's not original. But then the planets in ME1 were not original ether. Also, me1-3 has scanners like what sam has, that's not out of place. And kett ships don't feel alien, ha. Nope, they are nothing but off and strangeness this there designs. And what about when you find out the truth about the angaran's? Not talking if Omega ripoff is original or not. Just saying I don't feels it's sci-fi. When I was talking about Andromeda scanner I meant that it's space magic instead of sci-fi. Yes, that one Kettle ship tied to Salarian ark did nothing for me. However the Kett ship in multiplayer did something in the sci-fi department, it gave me the feels of the ME2 Reaper ship. In fact it was the one thing that made me want to give sp a chance. When I found out about the Angarians I was like "This again, only done much worse." Plus I actually predicted it. So I had a dull face on throughout.
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Post by alanc9 on Apr 25, 2017 16:48:05 GMT
The problem with this kind of argument is that feels are, by nature, highly subjective. I didn't have the same ones that Terminator Force did (might have for Omega, but I never bought the DLC,)
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 16:50:40 GMT
How does it not give you the feels? I get the Farscape, Andromeda(Tv Show), Firefly vibe from MEA. There is a lot more sci-fi then Blade Runner and the like.
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Post by bizantura on Apr 25, 2017 16:52:08 GMT
That is what you get when society swaps intuition for emotion and individualism with egoism and think it produces mature individuals. When you get those collective baggage thrown at you, you run fast and hard.
Casey got a lot of "emotional baggage" thrown at him masquerading as criticisms. The ending was personal for many players and not seen as a bad/good ending of a digital game. Emotions swept very high and was all but benign.
Collective emotions are underestimated when aimed at one person. It must be detrimental for ones health. I don't blame him for leaving and don't think he is a coward for doing so. I wish him the best.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 25, 2017 16:52:20 GMT
If a Bioware employee is working at Bioware, Bioware fans hate them. As soon as they leave, they love them and "want the old Bioware back." Who here doesn't want old Bioware back? If, by "old Bioware" you mean the folks that gave us the abominations that were ME2 and ME3, I'm certainly one of those who do NOT want the "old" Bioware back. For the record, "abominations" are a bit harsh. But those two games are pretty low on my list of "favorite Bioware games" of all time. Good games in their own right, terrible sequels to ME1.
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Post by revanshep78 on Apr 25, 2017 16:54:50 GMT
Truth. Fickleness has always been strong in the BSN. It is an old tale: People hated ME2 when it came out for not being like ME1. People hated ME3 when it came out for the endings then suddenly liked ME2. People hate ME:A because it's not like ME3 and they now suddenly like it. People hated DA2 because it wasn't like DA:O. People hated DA:I because it wasn't like DA2 and now suddenly they like it. I wouldn't be surprised if people hated ME1 and DA:O for being a Babylon 5 and a Dragonslayer rip-off respectfully. I prominence you that the same damn people will hate DA4 and ME:A2 (if they're made) will then suddenly like DA:I and ME:A. Quite honestly there are worse things out there to model after so I'm ok with this I was a huge B5 fan back in the day. I'm still hoping for that Vorlon reveal moment in ME:A. And seconded to your second point. We've seen the perception shift with every single game in each of those series.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 16:57:30 GMT
It is an old tale: People hated ME2 when it came out for not being like ME1. People hated ME3 when it came out for the endings then suddenly liked ME2. People hate ME:A because it's not like ME3 and they now suddenly like it. People hated DA2 because it wasn't like DA:O. People hated DA:I because it wasn't like DA2 and now suddenly they like it. I wouldn't be surprised if people hated ME1 and DA:O for being a Babylon 5 and a Dragonslayer rip-off respectfully. I prominence you that the same damn people will hate DA4 and ME:A2 (if they're made) will then suddenly like DA:I and ME:A. Quite honestly there are worse things out there to model after so I'm ok with this I was a huge B5 fan back in the day. I'm still hoping for that Vorlon reveal moment in ME:A. And seconded to your second point. We've seen the perception shift with every single game in each of those series. Serious question. Is Babylon 5 a slow show? I want to watch it since it is one of the few sci-fi shows I haven't scene, but if it is like a the Battlestar Galactica remake, I don't know if I can take the slowness.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 17:01:37 GMT
The problem with this kind of argument is that feels are, by nature, highly subjective. I didn't have the same ones that Terminator Force did (might have for Omega, but I never bought the DLC,) Well then compare it to ME2 Omega. And yes, it is a subjective opinion too. But doesn't have to mean it all subjective either.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 17:04:00 GMT
How does it not give you the feels? I get the Farscape, Andromeda(Tv Show), Firefly vibe from MEA. There is a lot more sci-fi then Blade Runner and the like. Well that's nice that you do, but I and others dont. Also, can you agree that the sci-fi feels of OT are missing in Andromeda?
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 17:06:33 GMT
How does it not give you the feels? I get the Farscape, Andromeda(Tv Show), Firefly vibe from MEA. There is a lot more sci-fi then Blade Runner and the like. Well that's nice that you do, but I and others dont. Also, can you agree that the sci-fi feels of OT are missing in Andromeda? The OT also had sci-fi feels as well. It was more Star Trek/Star Wars feeling to me though. Basically the Star Trek/Star Wars is a more serious kind of sci-fi like Blade Runner while Farscape, Firefly, Andromeda is more a tongue in cheek kind of sci-fi. More about the fun journey then anything else.
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Post by kumazan on Apr 25, 2017 17:07:27 GMT
Truth. Fickleness has always been strong in the BSN. It is an old tale: People hated ME2 when it came out for not being like ME1. People hated ME3 when it came out for the endings then suddenly liked ME2. People hate ME:A because it's not like ME3 and they now suddenly like it. People hated DA2 because it wasn't like DA:O. People hated DA:I because it wasn't like DA2 and now suddenly they like it. I wouldn't be surprised if people hated ME1 and DA:O for being a Babylon 5 and a Dragonslayer rip-off respectfully. I prominence you that the same damn people will hate DA4 and ME:A2 (if they're made) will then suddenly like DA:I and ME:A. Year 2021, BioWare releases ME:A2 and everyone complains that they ditched the open world and went back to corridors. "It wasn't that bad" some say. "BioWare overcompensating again" you hear from others. Meanwhile people open a dozen threads about how big a mistake it was to let Mac Walters go. I can see it.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 17:08:55 GMT
That is what you get when society swaps intuition for emotion and individualism with egoism and think it produces mature individuals. When you get those collective baggage thrown at you, you run fast and hard. Casey got a lot of "emotional baggage" thrown at him masquerading as criticisms. The ending was personal for many players and not seen as a bad/good ending of a digital game. Emotions swept very high and was all but benign. Collective emotions are underestimated when aimed at one person. It must be detrimental for ones health. I don't blame him for leaving and don't think he is a coward for doing so. I wish him the best. Then why didn't he leave sooner if u believe that's the reason he left? You see, to me he having left during Andromeda development supports my theory more that it was creative differences and work politics that made him leave.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 17:10:34 GMT
Who here doesn't want old Bioware back? If, by "old Bioware" you mean the folks that gave us the abominations that were ME2 and ME3, I'm certainly one of those who do NOT want the "old" Bioware back. For the record, "abominations" are a bit harsh. But those two games are pretty low on my list of "favorite Bioware games" of all time. Good games in their own right, terrible sequels to ME1. We'll then older bioware, for ducks sakes.
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 25, 2017 17:12:27 GMT
Well that's nice that you do, but I and others dont. Also, can you agree that the sci-fi feels of OT are missing in Andromeda? The OT also had sci-fi feels as well. It was more Star Trek/Star Wars feeling to me though. Basically the Star Trek/Star Wars is a more serious kind of sci-fi like Blade Runner while Farscape, Firefly, Andromeda is more a tongue in cheek kind of sci-fi. More about the fun journey then anything else. Which do you prefer?
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 25, 2017 17:12:36 GMT
If, by "old Bioware" you mean the folks that gave us the abominations that were ME2 and ME3, I'm certainly one of those who do NOT want the "old" Bioware back. For the record, "abominations" are a bit harsh. But those two games are pretty low on my list of "favorite Bioware games" of all time. Good games in their own right, terrible sequels to ME1. We'll then older bioware, for ducks sakes. Considering that ME:A took, in my opinion, a very welcome step back towards the promise that ME1 gave, I'm willing to see where "this" Bioware is gonna take the IP.
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Post by revanshep78 on Apr 25, 2017 17:14:22 GMT
Quite honestly there are worse things out there to model after so I'm ok with this I was a huge B5 fan back in the day. I'm still hoping for that Vorlon reveal moment in ME:A. And seconded to your second point. We've seen the perception shift with every single game in each of those series. Serious question. Is Babylon 5 a slow show? I want to watch it since it is one of the few sci-fi shows I haven't scene, but if it is like a the Battlestar Galactica remake, I don't know if I can take the slowness. Doctor Fumbles I wouldn't say it's a slow show. There are a lot of world building episodes and major characters come and go throughout all the seasons. However, the major overarching plot that drives the show doesn't really start until midway season 2. Season 3 is when the plot and action really starts to get going and the viewing time is worth the investment. It's a show from the mid 1990's so the FX aren't going to be stellar according to today's standards. However, the character development and growth is second to none.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 25, 2017 17:17:40 GMT
The OT also had sci-fi feels as well. It was more Star Trek/Star Wars feeling to me though. Basically the Star Trek/Star Wars is a more serious kind of sci-fi like Blade Runner while Farscape, Firefly, Andromeda is more a tongue in cheek kind of sci-fi. More about the fun journey then anything else. Which do you prefer? Did that explanation make sense though on the different types of sci-fi? For my preference even though I grew up Star Trek (DS9), I prefer the Farscape, Firefly, Andromeda, Stargate sci-fi type. I would rather watch and have a fun adventure with humour, laughs, and sadness then a giant space opera.
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