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Post by VanSinn on Apr 25, 2017 7:41:34 GMT
All subjective and my opinion but ME3 was utter crap. It was a streamlined gears of war clone playing off most of the great plots and characters of the first two games. As a stand alone game without including the ending, it was terrible. The reviews for Andromeda are certainly more polarizing but I would say MEA is much better game than ME3 overall. You would say, but reviews and scores EVERYWHERE are saying something completely different.
Are you suggesting that people who like ME:A should listen to other people's opinions over their own judgement?
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Post by dm04 on Apr 25, 2017 7:45:05 GMT
I'm saying before BioWare got bought by EA, the politics at BioWare were different because BioWare was a private company headed by two cool doctors. ie. These days EA pushed the impossible on BioWare with Andromeda and it shows. All because EA is chasing those juicy open world numbers others are enjoying. It's all statistics to EA, no soul. And lets stop hating on Hudson because of just one thing that nobody even knows the real story to. Instead remember he was a key figure in what made sci-fi epics like KotoR, ME1 and ME2 great. We, you?, can not blame this on EA. Just because some mega corproration buys a studio, that does not make them all (BioWare) slaves. And while the new "bosses" may (and do push), their "involvement" in the creative process is next to low or nothing. Are two years too little for a project like this (ME3)? Yes, most likely, but not impossible. But you can do, it is the job of the people at BW to figure this out. And if it were realy impossible? They could have said "nope, not going to happen". I wonder how people imagine how this stuff works... gues many think: EA comes to their studio BioWare and says "do this" like a big overlord and everyone has to obey and if not, fired. They invested a LOT of money to buy BioWare, they are not going to dissolve them just because something they imagine is impossible. Whatever, Hudson cut have cut ME3 and release "more" content via DLC. Omega and Leviathan are actualy quite good examples as how you add content into your game (mind, I am not talking about the quality) and fit that game. But that is unimportant, they gave us one particular ending, they could have made another. They explicitely decided for THIS. Oh and I am not hating Hudson, as far as I can tell, noone here hates Hudson, we just say Hudson is responsible for ME3 ending. Sure, some do like it (I do not understand why but alas, I do not have to understand everything), but most do not. And that is something YOU have to understand, right now (in this thread) you blame the lead write and EA and say Hudson is great and innocent. PS: Thinking about it and how this stuff works... I am pretty sure EA came to BW and said: we want ME3 in two years. And Iam pretty sure BW said: hard, but not impossible.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 25, 2017 7:46:56 GMT
You would say, but reviews and scores EVERYWHERE are saying something completely different.
Are you suggesting that people who like ME:A should listen to other people's opinions over their own judgement? No, I'm just saying that based on reviews and scores ME3 is better game than ME:A, but in you enjoy ME:A more, that's absolutely fine.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 25, 2017 7:51:31 GMT
control and destroy is not the issue. It's execution. I had not issue with the control and destroy ends as it was with in the confines of the tech and story. Added the reapers are not evil calling them that misses the point of the over all story. It how they were presented that was the issue. Only synthesis was bad because it made no sense on how it was done. I do not think we should hijack the thread and discuss this further, yah reapers are not evil per se. But here two proverbs: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. THe end justifies the means.
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Post by VanSinn on Apr 25, 2017 7:55:51 GMT
Are you suggesting that people who like ME:A should listen to other people's opinions over their own judgement? No, I'm just saying that based on reviews and scores ME3 is better game than ME:A, but in you enjoy ME:A more, that's absolutely fine. The reason I ask that was the guy you quoted specifically said that he was talking about his opinion, then you chimed in with "but did you see the reviews?" Eh, not looking to start an argument here.
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Post by mordrek on Apr 25, 2017 7:57:05 GMT
Sorry, he approved Starchild. He'll never live that shit down.
It's kind of like the Falcons in the Superbowl. The ending matters.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 25, 2017 7:57:37 GMT
It's quite funny to see that after so many years people are still angry about ME3 ending. I've never got that problem, of course ending was bit disappointing, but it was only 1-2% of whole trilogy, and it didn't kill love I got for this series.
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on Apr 25, 2017 8:26:02 GMT
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Post by aglomeracja on Apr 25, 2017 9:04:51 GMT
Even if Hudson is responsible for ME3's ending, he's also responsible for the very existence of MET which I consider the best franchise ever.
Can't really hate the guy for one mistake- even if it was a big one.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 25, 2017 9:06:11 GMT
Even if Hudson is responsible for ME3's ending, he's also responsible for the very existence of MET which I consider the best franchise ever. Can't really hate the guy for one mistake- even if it was a big one. +100
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Post by friffy on Apr 25, 2017 9:12:43 GMT
It's quite funny to see that after so many years people are still angry about ME3 ending. I've never got that problem, of course ending was bit disappointing, but it was only 1-2% of whole trilogy, and it didn't kill love I got for this series. Lucky you. Would be great if I could say that, too. I envy you - honestly. After countless ME1 and 2 runs I was so excited about ME3 that I took a few days off just to have the time to enjoy the game. And then I "experienced" the "original" ending. I was so mad, never seen something so awefull and stupid - my opinion of course!. And although I tried to start all over again after a while with a fresh ME1 run - I couldn't. It was like, na, don't, you know how aweful that will end for your Shep. I've never touched the OT again... never tested the "extended ending". Stupid, I know. But the original ending killed my Shep, literally. Call me crazy, it's ok. I know it. Edit: It started with the whole "take back earth" thing. I was so disappointed...
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Post by kumazan on Apr 25, 2017 9:17:38 GMT
I got more sci-fi feels from Andromeda than I did from ME2 or ME3, not that it was a tall order though. But I agree that it's still far from ME1.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 25, 2017 9:23:37 GMT
It's quite funny to see that after so many years people are still angry about ME3 ending. I've never got that problem, of course ending was bit disappointing, but it was only 1-2% of whole trilogy, and it didn't kill love I got for this series. Lucky you. Would be great if I could say that, too. I envy you - honestly. After countless ME1 and 2 runs I was so excited about ME3 that I took a few days off just to have the time to enjoy the game. And then I "experienced" the "original" ending. I was so mad, never seen something so awefull and stupid - my opinion of course!. And although I tried to start all over again after a while with a fresh ME1 run - I couldn't. It was like, na, don't, you know how aweful that will end for your Shep. I've never touched the OT again... never tested the "extended ending". Stupid, I know. But the original ending killed my Shep, literally. Call me crazy, it's ok. I know it. Edit: It started with the whole "take back earth" thing. I was so disappointed... Sorry you feel that way. When I finished ME3 for the very first time, I was like WTF, quite disappointed. Extended cut make it bit better, but the real feeling I got for ME3 when I finished the game together with all DLC's, Citadel especially and Expanded Galaxy MOD. Every ME game got some really silly and stupid things included in the price, this whole FTL Geth thing in Andromeda is one of them, but who cares ? If we will be pointing out every single mistake they did, we will have no time to enjoy the game at all.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 25, 2017 9:48:39 GMT
I got more sci-fi feels from Andromeda than I did from ME2 or ME3, not that it was a tall order though. But I agree that it's still far from ME1. Overall ME2 main story is bit weak, but I prefer ME2 much more than MEA because of really well written and strong characters like Miranda, Samara or Thane. Their loyalty missions also been really well done. Somehow I just like those new companions from the very beginning, I think VA is also superior to Andromeda. ME2 also got amazing soundtrack, almost non-existent in MEA. Small things sometimes are making big difference.
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Post by kumazan on Apr 25, 2017 10:01:03 GMT
I got more sci-fi feels from Andromeda than I did from ME2 or ME3, not that it was a tall order though. But I agree that it's still far from ME1. Overall ME2 main story is bit weak, but I prefer ME2 much more than MEA because of really well written and strong characters like Miranda, Samara or Thane. Their loyalty missions also been really well done. Somehow I just like those new companions from the very beginning, I think VA is also superior to Andromeda. ME2 also got amazing soundtrack, almost non-existent in MEA. Small things sometimes are making big difference. But we're talking about sci-fi feels. I'm not set on how I rank ME:A vs ME2. Right now I'm leaning towards ME2>ME:A, but it could change after bugfixing, DLCs, or even just after a couple more playthroughs that somehow compensate the advantage ME2 has from 4 years (yep, I'm a latecomer) playing it.
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Post by friffy on Apr 25, 2017 10:07:26 GMT
Sorry you feel that way. When I finished ME3 for the very first time, I was like WTF, quite disappointed. Extended cut make it bit better, but the real feeling I got for ME3 when I finished the game together with all DLC's, Citadel especially and Expanded Galaxy MOD. Every ME game got some really silly and stupid things included in the price, this whole FTL Geth thing in Andromeda is one of them, but who cares ? If we will be pointing out every single mistake they did, we will have no time to enjoy the game at all. I told you that you can call me crazy. But maybe I was too "close" to the OT and that's why the ending hit me that hard. And now and thinking back I simply can't enjoy it anymore. Looking back and without my "rose tinted glasses" the OT has lost it's charme to me for playing it again. ME1 was great despite some very stupid things like the "Thorian" and other minor annoyances. ME2 was... well, I loved my Shepard, despite the forced Cerberus alliance and ME2. And I love Mordin. ME3? Well, looking back, mixed fellings will describe it best. Some "wow!!!" and some "what?!?" moments, although the "what?!?" is in the majority. Ashley (bad habit to always have two chars running the game simultaniously. I never was a fan of Ash but omg, what have they done to her??? A whiny Miranda clone. As if one Miranda wasn't bad enough). KAI LENG. Edi. Jacob again. Shepard who is all of a sudden in a mental crackdown although she was "we can do it!" all over in the other two MEs (would have fitted better in ME2. She died, the Lazarus project sounds creepy to put it mildly, she has to side Cerberus, Kaidan/Ash called her a traitor, the alliance called her a traitor.) Running around to get useless war assets. That nothing matters in the end. Thessia. Take back earth. STARBRAT - just to name a few and out of my memory. So I guess all that made me stop playing the OT so I can look back on my Shep as the great hero she once was. And sorry for this "rant". It's just how I feel about it.
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Post by fchopin on Apr 25, 2017 10:21:53 GMT
Casey Hudson is talented so it does not matter if we like the ME3 ending or not.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 25, 2017 10:43:31 GMT
Sorry you feel that way. When I finished ME3 for the very first time, I was like WTF, quite disappointed. Extended cut make it bit better, but the real feeling I got for ME3 when I finished the game together with all DLC's, Citadel especially and Expanded Galaxy MOD. Every ME game got some really silly and stupid things included in the price, this whole FTL Geth thing in Andromeda is one of them, but who cares ? If we will be pointing out every single mistake they did, we will have no time to enjoy the game at all. I told you that you can call me crazy. But maybe I was too "close" to the OT and that's why the ending hit me that hard. And now and thinking back I simply can't enjoy it anymore. Looking back and without my "rose tinted glasses" the OT has lost it's charme to me for playing it again. ME1 was great despite some very stupid things like the "Thorian" and other minor annoyances. ME2 was... well, I loved my Shepard, despite the forced Cerberus alliance and ME2. And I love Mordin. ME3? Well, looking back, mixed fellings will describe it best. Some "wow!!!" and some "what?!?" moments, although the "what?!?" is in the majority. Ashley (bad habit to always have two chars running the game simultaniously. I never was a fan of Ash but omg, what have they done to her??? A whiny Miranda clone. As if one Miranda wasn't bad enough). KAI LENG. Edi. Jacob again. Shepard who is all of a sudden in a mental crackdown although she was "we can do it!" all over in the other two MEs (would have fitted better in ME2. She died, the Lazarus project sounds creepy to put it mildly, she has to side Cerberus, Kaidan/Ash called her a traitor, the alliance called her a traitor.) Running around to get useless war assets. That nothing matters in the end. Thessia. Take back earth. STARBRAT - just to name a few and out of my memory. So I guess all that made me stop playing the OT so I can look back on my Shep as the great hero she once was. And sorry for this "rant". It's just how I feel about it. Oh well, I go thru a lot - with a lot of people - about ME3 quality - so it's fine, words from me or anyone else will not change they way you feel. They only thing which is making me sad is that because of all that "ME3 ending hatred" a lot of good people left BioWare - people, who got a heart for this series, who could make things better in the future, who could really learn from their own mistakes. Of course almost everyone and the end gave some silly talk about new opening, looking for something different bla bla bla, but almost all those departures been connected with ME3 reception. You can dislike ME3, but remember that the same people create the whole ME universe as we know.
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Post by friffy on Apr 25, 2017 11:14:10 GMT
I told you that you can call me crazy. Oh well, I go thru a lot - with a lot of people - about ME3 quality - so it's fine, words from me or anyone else will not change they way you feel. They only thing which is making me sad is that because of all that "ME3 ending hatred" a lot of good people left BioWare - people, who got a heart for this series, who could make things better in the future, who could really learn from their own mistakes. Of course almost everyone and the end gave some silly talk about new opening, looking for something different bla bla bla, but almost all those departures been connected with ME3 reception. You can dislike ME3, but remember that the same people create the whole ME universe as we know. OMG - no! I don't hate anybody! Hell, why would I? To have a different opinion about how they handled ME3 does not mean I hate them. Sorry if you got that impression. It's just how I feel about it. My PERSONAL opinion. If I don't like a book I have read I simply don't touch it again. Or take a movie for example. That doesn't mean I hate the author, I just don't like this book/movie and that also doesn't mean I wouldn't give another book/movie ot this author/director another try when I just disagree with some aspects but think of the author/director as interesting. It's not Biowares fault that I got too attached to my Shepard. Quite the contratry I would say. That's why I play and enjoy (yes, I do) Andromeda. And I HATE that people are so reckless because they think of the internet as a great medium to "anonymously" harass and offend others. Death threats because of a game??? Seriously??? Why should I blame BW people when they have enough of their so called fans and leave. I don't blame them at all. And just browse this forum... it's quite dreatful reading posts that have no other meaning but throwing insults to each other. Edit: I'm no native english speaker and certainly my comments would been less missleading if I could write about all this in my own language. Sorry but I really try to do my best, it's just not easy.
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Post by dm04 on Apr 25, 2017 12:10:33 GMT
Same here, I do not hate anyone ... not EA, not BW and surely not Hudson. They screwed, in my opinion, with ME3, some more then others, but thats it, there is no more about it. I made enough mistakes in my own life to know about it. It is sad there were so many people threatening them, reminds me of trigglypuff, I wonder why anyone takes such people seriously.
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Post by Conquer Your Dreams on Apr 25, 2017 12:20:56 GMT
Oh well, I go thru a lot - with a lot of people - about ME3 quality - so it's fine, words from me or anyone else will not change they way you feel. They only thing which is making me sad is that because of all that "ME3 ending hatred" a lot of good people left BioWare - people, who got a heart for this series, who could make things better in the future, who could really learn from their own mistakes. Of course almost everyone and the end gave some silly talk about new opening, looking for something different bla bla bla, but almost all those departures been connected with ME3 reception. You can dislike ME3, but remember that the same people create the whole ME universe as we know. OMG - no! I don't hate anybody! Hell, why would I? To have a different opinion about how they handled ME3 does not mean I hate them. Sorry if you got that impression. It's just how I feel about it. My PERSONAL opinion. If I don't like a book I have read I simply don't touch it again. Or take a movie for example. That doesn't mean I hate the author, I just don't like this book/movie and that also doesn't mean I wouldn't give another book/movie ot this author/director another try when I just disagree with some aspects but think of the author/director as interesting. It's not Biowares fault that I got too attached to my Shepard. Quite the contratry I would say. That's why I play and enjoy (yes, I do) Andromeda. And I HATE that people are so reckless because they think of the internet as a great medium to "anonymously" harass and offend others. Death threats because of a game??? Seriously??? Why should I blame BW people when they have enough of their so called fans and leave. I don't blame them at all. And just browse this forum... it's quite dreatful reading posts that have no other meaning but throwing insults to each other. Edit: I'm no native english speaker and certainly my comments would been less missleading if I could write about all this in my own language. Sorry but I really try to do my best, it's just not easy. No, it's my fault, i know you didn't mention any hatred or something, it was just another thought about ME3. There's still too much bad blood about that game, I still remember all those fights, angry arguing, people offending each other. It's time to look forward and leave all those bad things behind. I can only hope, that one day Andromeda, expanded by all those forthcoming DLC's and properly patched by developer will be for me equally important and good as become expanded, modded and patched ME3.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 25, 2017 12:54:49 GMT
control and destroy is not the issue. It's execution. I had not issue with the control and destroy ends as it was with in the confines of the tech and story. Added the reapers are not evil calling them that misses the point of the over all story. It how they were presented that was the issue. Only synthesis was bad because it made no sense on how it was done. I do not think we should hijack the thread and discuss this further, yah reapers are not evil per se. But here two proverbs: The road to hell is paved with good intentions. THe end justifies the means. and one needs to point out part of the ending is vengeance vs saving who you can. Also, good or evil does not really apply to the reapers.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 25, 2017 12:55:08 GMT
Honestly, I don't even think it's worth talking with people who only see issues in the ending in all ME3's writing. But whatever, this topic is about the sci-fi-ness of MEA, or the lack of. Haven't you noticed every topic reverts to an ending debate.
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Post by dreman999 on Apr 25, 2017 13:05:30 GMT
I got more sci-fi feels from Andromeda than I did from ME2 or ME3, not that it was a tall order though. But I agree that it's still far from ME1. Overall ME2 main story is bit weak, but I prefer ME2 much more than MEA because of really well written and strong characters like Miranda, Samara or Thane. Their loyalty missions also been really well done. Somehow I just like those new companions from the very beginning, I think VA is also superior to Andromeda. ME2 also got amazing soundtrack, almost non-existent in MEA. Small things sometimes are making big difference. but that's the thing. ME2 has unique charaters that we unique among there own races. They all already decide what philosophies to live there lives. They already lived color live. No one there on the ship was a normal person. While in MEA, the characters are normal people. Each character is an example of the type of person that would go on a trip like this. The have alot of growth, the constantly interact with one another on and off the ship, and they learn in their own way. The charaters in MEA are learning 5o figure out who they are while the character in ME2 already know who they are mostly. The 2 sets of characters have 2 different goals. MEA characters are better versions of the type of character in ME1.
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Post by brandoftime on Apr 25, 2017 13:21:19 GMT
The characters and emotion behind them are mostly what carries ME3. It was fun to play, as such, but if you have just come from ME2, there's so much emotional investment that makes it a very powerful experience. I can see newcomers might not get that same impact, and feel it's hollow overall.
Also, the ending. I discovered Mass Effect and played the whole trilogy recently for the first time this fall. The EC helps, but by no means does it fix it. Mods help, but still something is off. This is as a relative newcomer to the series. Honestly, we needed 1. a final boss battle 2. retake earth (many battles, winning with other alien races, Krogan, Elcor) 3. see assets in action 4. emotional payoff with companions.
Was this hard to figure out? If Casey made the call to run with the original ending, including the creepy old man and the 'Shepard' story, we are well rid of him. The ending felt like having your best friend hang out with you all day, then suddenly, for no good reason slug you in the face. Out of nowhere. No reason behind it. I think I just wanted to know what the hell happened, even 5 years late to the party. And EC doesn't really fix it, it covers over it like spraying deodorant to cover up existing body odor.
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