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I was going to comment that they're probably talking about composition as in the art term, not composition as in what the rocks are made out of... but I looked up the tweet and saw that that particular dev is collaborating with NASA, so they're definitely talking about actual science-style rock composition. :lol:

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Nov 11, 2017 0:21:06 GMT Awkward Octopus said:

I was going to comment that they're probably talking about composition as in the art term, not composition as in what the rocks are made out of... but I looked up the tweet and saw that that particular dev is collaborating with NASA, so they're definitely talking about actual science-style rock composition. :lol:

They did rock-composition in MEA, you got that info from scanning stuff, so not that surprising some of the designer had to find that info at one point.

The weird part though is that Anthem isn't supposed to be "hard scifi", so I'm not sure why they would bother with that here.

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Nov 11, 2017 0:21:06 GMT Awkward Octopus said:

I was going to comment that they're probably talking about composition as in the art term, not composition as in what the rocks are made out of... but I looked up the tweet and saw that that particular dev is collaborating with NASA, so they're definitely talking about actual science-style rock composition. :lol:

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Nov 11, 2017 1:13:29 GMT azarhal said:

Nov 11, 2017 0:21:06 GMT Awkward Octopus said:

I was going to comment that they're probably talking about composition as in the art term, not composition as in what the rocks are made out of... but I looked up the tweet and saw that that particular dev is collaborating with NASA, so they're definitely talking about actual science-style rock composition. :lol:

They did rock-composition in MEA, you got that info from scanning stuff, so not that surprising some of the designer had to find that info at one point.

The weird part though is that Anthem isn't supposed to be "hard scifi", so I'm not sure why they would bother with that here.

Not hard sci-fi doesn't mean that the world suddenly doesn't have rules. Even fantasy worlds have ones - and that includes DA.

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Nov 11, 2017 1:55:41 GMT midnight tea said:

Nov 11, 2017 0:21:06 GMT Awkward Octopus said:

I was going to comment that they're probably talking about composition as in the art term, not composition as in what the rocks are made out of... but I looked up the tweet and saw that that particular dev is collaborating with NASA, so they're definitely talking about actual science-style rock composition. :lol:

One does not rule out another. I say that as someone who does art for a living. Sometimes it takes a ridiculous amount of time to study something in order to get a mere detail right.

Well, yes, of course. I mean, as someone who also arts for a living, and literally spent my day sculpting rocks in zbrush for a landscape composition. BELIEVE ME, I know, ha!

I was just referring to the fact that the original tweet by Jennifer Scheurle clearly was referring to the science meaning of composition, because if you look at the original tweet, she follows it up by asking for a geologist she can ask questions about moon rocks. Because she's working on a VR game with NASA. (The tweet found its way to this thread because of the response by Rachel‏, who is a BioWare dev, and was making a joke about how many freakin' rocks you gotta make for game environments.)

And now I feel like I'm just sitting here explaining a joke to people who already got it, but I wanted to make sure I wasn't miscommunicating. Apologies. I'ma go now.

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Anthem Twitter Thread Nov 11, 2017 3:26:16 GMT

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Post by azarhal on Nov 11, 2017 3:26:16 GMT

Nov 11, 2017 1:57:10 GMT midnight tea said:

Nov 11, 2017 1:13:29 GMT azarhal said:

They did rock-composition in MEA, you got that info from scanning stuff, so not that surprising some of the designer had to find that info at one point.

The weird part though is that Anthem isn't supposed to be "hard scifi", so I'm not sure why they would bother with that here.

Not hard sci-fi doesn't mean that the world suddenly doesn't have rules. Even fantasy worlds have ones - and that includes DA.

When you go and say "we don't worry too much about why they are happening or how they are happening; the science of it."*, you aren't going to bother trying to find out what rocks are made off.

Going by the previous poster, it wasn't a BioWare dev that was trying to find how rocks are made though. So all his fine.

*a direct quote of Flynn about Anthem. He also made a direct comparison with ME saying that was hard core scifi and Anthem wasn't.

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Nov 11, 2017 3:26:16 GMT azarhal said:

Nov 11, 2017 1:57:10 GMT midnight tea said:

Not hard sci-fi doesn't mean that the world suddenly doesn't have rules. Even fantasy worlds have ones - and that includes DA.

When you go and say "we don't worry too much about why they are happening or how they are happening; the science of it."*, you aren't going to bother trying to find out what rocks are made off.

Going by the previous poster, it wasn't a BioWare dev that was trying to find how rocks are made though. So all his fine.

*a direct quote of Flynn about Anthem. He also made a direct comparison with ME saying that was hard core scifi and Anthem wasn't.

"We don't worry too much about why they are happening or how they are happening". The fact that they're not concerned with trying to explain either technology or phenomenons based on our science (or rather - our world and our understanding of the world) doesn't mean that the world has no rules or that some rules form our world can't apply. Again - even fantasy worlds have them.

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Post by PapaCharlie9 on Nov 11, 2017 17:54:36 GMT

There are other reasons besides hard science that make using nature as a reference a good idea. If your Art Director says, "Your rocks look fake. Make them look more realistic," you're going to refer to nature. And if someone you trust tells you that understanding composition and formation and erosion is what's necessary to make a rock look realistic, that's what you're going to do. Look at any outdoor environment from any AAA open world game and count how many different kinds of rocks you see. HZD alone would fill a geological catalog.

It's the Art Director behind that, "it ALWAYS comes back to rocks."

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Post by Sartoz on Nov 12, 2017 6:40:15 GMT

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Hm... authentic looking rocks is it?

That's a hint of a possible Shaper Storm portal mission to a surface / cave areas or structures with heavy rock density.... ergo "make 'em look right". It might also suggest other areas like sand, beaches, forests... etc. After all, these portal have to bring us somewhere to fight / explore and a variety of mission locations adds interest.

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A bit of old news, but I found this post on Reddit by Brenon Holmes regarding the departure of the lead animator and who the new one is.

To be fair, I can understand the sentiment... there's not really a lot that is out there in the public domain - so it's natural to be curious
about what's going on...

I won't get into why Steve left, as that's his business

. I'll note that he had previously retired from games some time ago, and came back to help on an unannounced project (don't get too excited, this was a bunch of years back).

Parrish is now the Lead Animator for the project (I'm not sure if that's the official title, might be Animation Director or something along those lines). He has a ton of experience and has been with the team since ME1 - I wouldn't be concerned, we're in good hands.

As Bryan noted, it's always sad to see a colleague leave - in Steve's case particularly so, because he was a lot of fun to work with.

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Nov 14, 2017 18:35:16 GMT @carefull said:

Nov 13, 2017 9:10:12 GMT Pounce de León said:

Sounds like it's real rockers at the studio. Some feld sparring should do the trick to clean that task from their slate.

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Nov 14, 2017 17:53:33 GMT Heimdall said:

A bit of old news, but I found this post on Reddit by Brenon Holmes regarding the departure of the lead animator and who the new one is.

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To be fair, I can understand the sentiment... there's not really a lot that is out there in the public domain - so it's natural to be curious
about what's going on...

I won't get into why Steve left, as that's his business

. I'll note that he had previously retired from games some time ago, and came back to help on an unannounced project (don't get too excited, this was a bunch of years back).

Parrish is now the Lead Animator for the project (I'm not sure if that's the official title, might be Animation Director or something along those lines). He has a ton of experience and has been with the team since ME1 - I wouldn't be concerned, we're in good hands.

As Bryan noted, it's always sad to see a colleague leave - in Steve's case particularly so, because he was a lot of fun to work with.

Anyways, hopefully this helps provide some context!

There's another from more than 2 weeks ago by another dev:

Generally speaking of course we are sad when people leave, and we no longer get the opportunity to work with them. But no company is without turnover, even senior people it happens.

There is still a very large number of people that have been with the company a long time.

Lets take KotOR (came out in 2003) as an example, if you look at the credits under Core Game Design (which was literally the first list in the credits) we have the following: David Falkner, Steven Gilmour, Casey Hudson, Drew Karpyshyn, James Ohlen, Preston Watamaniuk, Derek Watts

The only person in that list that is gone is Steve, with Drew and Casey leaving and coming back.

So I know it's easy to look for any details to determine what is going on when there is little news, but I would say dont read into departures too much.

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Nov 14, 2017 19:19:05 GMT midnight tea said:

There's another from more than 2 weeks ago by another dev:

Generally speaking of course we are sad when people leave, and we no longer get the opportunity to work with them. But no company is without turnover, even senior people it happens.

There is still a very large number of people that have been with the company a long time.

Lets take KotOR (came out in 2003) as an example, if you look at the credits under Core Game Design (which was literally the first list in the credits) we have the following: David Falkner, Steven Gilmour, Casey Hudson, Drew Karpyshyn, James Ohlen, Preston Watamaniuk, Derek Watts

The only person in that list that is gone is Steve, with Drew and Casey leaving and coming back.

So I know it's easy to look for any details to determine what is going on when there is little news, but I would say dont read into departures too much.

As long as they don't rehire Billy to do the multiplayer and netcode which does not exist.

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The game awards are coming up very soon (Dec 7 ?).

Will the EA stench still linger when the international jury will select the most anticipated games for 2018? Will Anthem fail to make the list?

Bet Bio is scrambling to re-write their MT mechanics. Let DICE have the spotlight, while the studio is making the necessary changes to avoid another potential PR / game disaster. One thing in Bio's favour is that cosmetics changes to the suits are quite possible. Whereas, DICE had their hands tied to maintain the look of the Star Wars IP.

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Nov 18, 2017 11:26:35 GMT Sartoz said:

-(_ANTHEM_)-

The game awards are coming up very soon (Dec 7 ?).

Will the EA stench still linger when the international jury will select the most anticipated games for 2018? Will Anthem fail to make the list?

Bet Bio is scrambling to re-write their MT mechanics. Let DICE have the spotlight, while the studio is making the necessary changes to avoid another potential PR / game disaster. One thing in Bio's favour is that cosmetics changes to the suits are quite possible. Whereas, DICE had their hands tied to maintain the look of the Star Wars IP.

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Yeah, sadly it looks like Anthem didn't make the "Most Anticipated" nominee list for the Game Awards...
thegameawards.com/awards/

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Nov 18, 2017 19:05:31 GMT Hrungr said:

Nov 18, 2017 11:26:35 GMT Sartoz said:

-(_ANTHEM_)-

The game awards are coming up very soon (Dec 7 ?).

Will the EA stench still linger when the international jury will select the most anticipated games for 2018? Will Anthem fail to make the list?

Bet Bio is scrambling to re-write their MT mechanics. Let DICE have the spotlight, while the studio is making the necessary changes to avoid another potential PR / game disaster. One thing in Bio's favour is that cosmetics changes to the suits are quite possible. Whereas, DICE had their hands tied to maintain the look of the Star Wars IP.

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Yeah, sadly it looks like Anthem didn't make the "Most Anticipated" nominee list for the Game Awards...
thegameawards.com/awards/

:-/

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Nov 18, 2017 19:57:54 GMT midnight tea said:

Nov 18, 2017 19:05:31 GMT Hrungr said:

Yeah, sadly it looks like Anthem didn't make the "Most Anticipated" nominee list for the Game Awards...
thegameawards.com/awards/

:-/

All of them are from known franchises. No new IPs.

Yep, that's a bit sad to see. That said, Horizon made the "Most Anticipated" list last year...

Part of me wonders if Anthem has been delayed again, pushing it into 2019.

I think there's a good chance we'll see a new trailer during the awards, and find out then if they did.

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Nov 18, 2017 19:05:31 GMT Hrungr said:

Nov 18, 2017 11:26:35 GMT Sartoz said:

-(_ANTHEM_)-

The game awards are coming up very soon (Dec 7 ?).

Will the EA stench still linger when the international jury will select the most anticipated games for 2018? Will Anthem fail to make the list?

Bet Bio is scrambling to re-write their MT mechanics. Let DICE have the spotlight, while the studio is making the necessary changes to avoid another potential PR / game disaster. One thing in Bio's favour is that cosmetics changes to the suits are quite possible. Whereas, DICE had their hands tied to maintain the look of the Star Wars IP.

(🌸=◡=)

Yeah, sadly it looks like Anthem didn't make the "Most Anticipated" nominee list for the Game Awards...
thegameawards.com/awards/

:-/

I heard there's a bit of controversy (jealousy?) over PUBG having a GOTY nomination, while still being in Early Release. Mostly from Ass:Origin fans, I guess.

Very tough competition for the Indie and debut games. Great year for indies.

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Nov 18, 2017 21:37:04 GMT PapaCharlie9 said:

Nov 18, 2017 19:05:31 GMT Hrungr said:

Yeah, sadly it looks like Anthem didn't make the "Most Anticipated" nominee list for the Game Awards...
thegameawards.com/awards/

:-/

I heard there's a bit of controversy (jealousy?) over PUBG having a GOTY nomination, while still being in Early Release. Mostly from Ass:Origin fans, I guess.

Very tough competition for the Indie and debut games. Great year for indies.

I did hear a little about the PUBG controversy, and although I haven't really looked that closely at it, I think they should be careful about precedents they might set here.

And yeah, another great year for Indies. A bit disappointed Little Nightmares didn't get a nomination though.

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