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Numerical Damage Tests Apr 30, 2017 10:27:38 GMT

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Post by poekel on Apr 30, 2017 10:27:38 GMT

Apr 30, 2017 3:33:23 GMT lennybusker said:

Powers don't break cloak, so throwing a grenade or having it explode won't break it. The damage bonus is only applied on the shot or melee that breaks cloak, and for 2 seconds afterwards. So to get damage bonus from grenades you need to throw and then decloak before it explodes.

With no delays in your button pressing, you can get two grenades out and have them both explode with damage bonus if you fire immediately.

I haven't tested it, but from my experience this seems to be another Combat Cloak issue. If you specced for combat cloak, grenades seem to get the cloak bonus only after breaking it. Without Combat Cloak though they seem to get the damage bonus while cloaked.

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Apr 28, 2017 13:06:28 GMT hardcoresalmon said:

Apr 28, 2017 12:59:16 GMT benzoright said:

Forgive me if I'm being dense, but what is "damage cloak"? Are you referring to rank 6b Combat Cloak? If so, would it be more definitive to not have that evolution selected and see if the cloak damage bonus still lasts for 2 seconds without it?

Yeah rank 6B.

I can test it again if you like but Peddro already tested this in the OP and it was 2 seconds without the evolution.

Thank you for testing.

I did a rough test in tutorial mission but get a different result, and that makes me confused.

My test character is human infiltrator with cloak 4B, munition training 1, and weapon is Inferno III.

target 1 : cloak and shoot the target -> explode
target 2 : shoot the target -> not explode, require 2nd shot.
target 3: cloak, shoot the air then shoot the target -> same as target 2

chosen 1 : cloak and shoot the body -> 1%hp left
chosen 2: cloak, shoot the air then shoot the body -> about half hp left

The result shows that cloak damage buff doesn't apply on 2nd shot after breaking cloak.
But if with cloak 6B, the result of shooting the air then target will be as same as cloak and shoot the target.
I test it with Viper X too, and the result is same as using Inferno.

I guess maybe the cloak damage buff without evo 6B will last 2 second OR until release the button in 2 second.
Maybe Combat Cloak is useless if using an automatic gun, but still useful if using a semi-auto gun.

Is it possible to ask you to test cloak again with a semi-auto gun ?

Last Edit: Apr 30, 2017 15:31:20 GMT by pdshingo

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Numerical Damage Tests Apr 30, 2017 14:30:40 GMT capn233, q5tyhj, and 5 more like this

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Post by hardcoresalmon on Apr 30, 2017 14:30:40 GMT

Testing Disrupter Rounds:

Avenger X no mods:

Sharpshooter shields

No ammo

1187.5
1140.5 Damage - 47
1093.5 Damage - 47
1046.5 Damage - 47
980.7 Damage - 65.8
940.9 Damage - 39.8 ?

Disrupter 1

1187.5
1127.28 Damage - 60.22 / body / 47 * (1+(0.025 * 11.25) = 60.218
1067.06 Damage - 60.22
1006.84 Damage - 60.22
922.53 Damage - 84.31 / head / (47 * (1+(0.025 * 11.25)) * 1.4 = 84.306
838.23 Damage - 84.3

Some inconsistency when holding the trigger

1187.5
1127.28 Damage - 60.22
1064.06 Damage - 63.22
1006.84 Damage - 57.22
922.53 Damage - 84.31
838.23 Damage - 84.3
753.92 Damage - 84.31
669.61 Damage - 84.31

Raider Health

2188.4
2140.62 Damage - 47.78
2092.45 Damage - 48.17 / body / 47 * (1 + 0.025) = 48.175
2025 Damage - 67.45
1957.56 Damage - 67.44 / head / 48.17 * 1.4 = 67.445
1890.11 Damage - 67.45

Vs Agent Armor

3562.5
3505.05 Damage - 57.45 / head / ((47 * (1 + 0.025))*1.4) - 10 = 57.445
3466.87 Damage - 38.18 / body / (47 * (1 + 0.025)) - 10 = 38.175
3439.97 Damage - 26.9 ?
3410.86 Damage - 29.11 ?
3353.41 Damage - 57.45

PAW 3

Sharpshooter shields

No ammo

1187.5
1146.09 Damage - 41.41 / body / 1.15 bonus
1104.69 Damage - 41.4
1063.29 Damage - 41.4
1005.33 Damage - 57.96 / head
947.37 Damage - 57.96
889.41 Damage - 57.96

Disrupter 1

1187.5
1134.56 Damage - 52.94 / body / 41.41 * (1+(0.025 * 11.25)) = 53.05
1081.41 Damage - 53.15
1028.36 Damage - 53.05
973.32 Damage - 55.04

1187.5
1134.45 Damage - 53.05
1060.19 Damage - 74.26 / head / (57.96 * (1+(0.025 * 11.25)) = 74.26

-Distrupter rounds get a 11.25 bonus against shields, basically the base damage * 1.28 at level 1. Theoretically level 4 disrupter rounds will do 1.4x the base against shields.
-Against health and armor they will just do the base damage of 2.5%, I did have some random results against armor that I can't explain though.

Last Edit: Apr 30, 2017 17:20:59 GMT by hardcoresalmon

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Numerical Damage Tests Apr 30, 2017 15:48:26 GMT

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Post by capn233 on Apr 30, 2017 15:48:26 GMT

Apr 30, 2017 14:30:40 GMT hardcoresalmon said:

-Distrupter rounds get a 11.25 bonus against shields, basically the base damage * 1.28 at level 1. Theoretically level 4 disrupter rounds will do 1.4x the base against shields.
-Against health and armor they will just do the base damage of 2.5x, I did have some random results against armor that I can't explain though.

That's 2.5% in the last line, right?

Also strange that they would do bonus damage to armor. Wonder if that is a broken armor multiplier of 0 or really intended.

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Numerical Damage Tests Apr 30, 2017 15:51:42 GMT peddroelm likes this

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Post by capn233 on Apr 30, 2017 15:51:42 GMT

Edited previous posts, consolidated into one long Remnant post. Some quick things:

Of course this depends a bit on how we choose to describe it, but there are apparently four levels of weakpoint bonuses against bronze Remnant depending on the target.

Not done yet, but Remnant VI seems to do more than listed damage, although still pretty wimpy.

Last Edit: Apr 30, 2017 16:56:44 GMT by capn233

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Numerical Damage Tests Apr 30, 2017 16:48:11 GMT peddroelm likes this

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Post by hardcoresalmon on Apr 30, 2017 16:48:11 GMT

Apr 30, 2017 15:48:26 GMT capn233 said:

Apr 30, 2017 14:30:40 GMT hardcoresalmon said:

-Distrupter rounds get a 11.25 bonus against shields, basically the base damage * 1.28 at level 1. Theoretically level 4 disrupter rounds will do 1.4x the base against shields.
-Against health and armor they will just do the base damage of 2.5x, I did have some random results against armor that I can't explain though.

That's 2.5% in the last line, right?

Also strange that they would do bonus damage to armor. Wonder if that is a broken armor multiplier of 0 or really intended.

yeah 2.5% sorry

It's intended to more damage against everything because it says in the description: Additionally increases weapon damage by 2.5%

It's just that value will be multiplied by 11.25 when shooting against shields.

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Post by hardcoresalmon on Apr 30, 2017 22:05:18 GMT

Finally got the god damn Ascendant's Health on Gold: 14250

Avenger:

13380.53
13333.23 Damage: 47.3 / body
13267.61 Damage: 65.62 / head
13220.31 Damage: 47.3

They have the standard headshot multiplier of most enemies, 1.4x with the avenger. They are seriously the worst thing to test against. His orb is about 3000-4000 but I couldn't find the value.

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Post by aryantes on Apr 30, 2017 22:16:27 GMT

Seeing these damage tests inspired me to try out my own debugging.

I created a cheat table here that gives damage logs for both HP and Shields.

Of course, I'm new to all of this, lua, assembly, cheat engine, etc so I can't guarantee any of it works but it seems to work for me

I used cheat engine 64 bit and i'm fairly certain it wont work on 32 bit.

So I've attached my CT file that you can load on startup after you attach to the process.

edit - removed link. please PM me if you have interest. thanks.---

I couldn't attach to this forum post for some reason, so linked my google drive. Download it as a CT file, and load it.

There are two scripts you can activate, HP Damage Log and Shield Damage Log, which directly hook the assembly functions for 'set hp' and 'set shields' logically speaking.

I wait until I'm in game to enable any scripts just in case.

In your log, you will start seeing stuff like this.
type SH = shields, type HP = HP/Armor.

type,       osTime,      osClock,  hpAddress,        hpMax,     hpBefore,      hpAfter,       hpDiff

  SH,   1493589428,      433.597,   9429C7C0,      825.000,      825.000,      346.600,     -478.400 
  SH,   1493589431,      436.197,   9429C7C0,      825.000,      346.600,      297.998,      -48.602 
  SH,   1493589431,      436.263,   9429C7C0,      825.000,      297.998,      249.396,      -48.602 
  SH,   1493589431,      436.363,   9429C7C0,      825.000,      249.396,      207.134,      -42.262 
  SH,   1493589431,      436.563,   9429C7C0,      825.000,      207.134,      164.871,      -42.262 
  SH,   1493589431,      436.664,   9429C7C0,      825.000,      164.871,      122.609,      -42.262 
  SH,   1493589431,      436.763,   9429C7C0,      825.000,      122.609,       80.346,      -42.262 
  SH,   1493589431,      436.863,   9429C7C0,      825.000,       80.346,       31.744,      -48.602 
  SH,   1493589431,      436.963,   9429C7C0,      825.000,       31.744,        0.000,      -31.744 
  HP,   1493589432,      437.264,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      495.000,      452.738,      -42.263 
  HP,   1493589432,      437.364,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      452.738,      415.988,      -36.750 
  HP,   1493589432,      437.464,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      415.988,      379.238,      -36.750 
  HP,   1493589432,      437.564,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      379.238,      342.488,      -36.750 
  HP,   1493589432,      437.664,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      342.488,      305.738,      -36.750 
  HP,   1493589432,      437.765,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      305.738,      268.988,      -36.750 
  HP,   1493589432,      437.864,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      268.988,      232.238,      -36.750 
  HP,   1493589432,      437.964,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      232.238,      189.975,      -42.262 
  HP,   1493589432,      438.064,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      189.975,      147.713,      -42.262 
  HP,   1493589433,      438.164,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      147.713,      105.450,      -42.262 
  HP,   1493589433,      438.263,   9429C0B0,      495.000,      105.450,       63.188,      -42.263 
  HP,   1493589433,      438.364,   9429C0B0,      495.000,       63.188,       20.925,      -42.263 
  HP,   1493589433,      438.464,   9429C0B0,      495.000,       20.925,        0.000,      -20.925

This is me using Lance and then using a PAW against a Bronze Observer until it died. 825 shields, 495 hp.

I tried to put comments in the scripts to educate if anyone wants to modify and continue the work.

The next thing I wanted to do trace back and see if I can pull names, weapons, abilities etc, at the time of the damage so it would be a more definitive log.

For now, this gets me started at least.

What this means is, I don't have to search for any HP address or Shield address values anymore. Just click and go. I did CSV for exporting purposes.

Destroyer has 33,000 shields on Bronze for instance.

Hopefully this helps! Fun stuff.

Last Edit: May 1, 2017 18:29:41 GMT by aryantes

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Numerical Damage Tests Apr 30, 2017 22:35:53 GMT

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Post by Nightman on Apr 30, 2017 22:35:53 GMT

4 point blank head shots to a silver raider with the Carnifex still wont kill them...........

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Apr 30, 2017 10:35:24 GMT pdshingo said:

Apr 28, 2017 13:06:28 GMT hardcoresalmon said:

Yeah rank 6B.

I can test it again if you like but Peddro already tested this in the OP and it was 2 seconds without the evolution.

...

I guess maybe the cloak damage buff without evo 6B will last 2 second OR until release the button in 2 second.
Maybe Combat Cloak is useless if using an automatic gun, but still useful if using a semi-auto gun.

Is it possible to ask you to test cloak again with a semi-auto gun ?

Ok, I did a bunch more testing of Cloak mechanics with and without Combat Cloak, with stickies, and with semi auto vs full auto guns.

- Starting information is, we know that 6B Combat Cloak evo does indeed apply a 2 second bonus to damage. That's not disputed, so we're safe there.

- Viper X, no Combat Cloak evo selected. Single Viper round does not kill a Chosen on Bronze, but a cloaked Viper round will (i.e. breaking Cloak by firing a shot).
- Doing as you did, firing into the air and then hitting the enemy does not give a kill in this setup. So the damage bonus is NOT present for 2s.

- Next test, Same Cloak setup but with an Eagle II.
- Normally takes 11 rounds to kill a Chosen on Bronze (with my class/spec)
- Firing and holding fire while cloaked will kill a Chosen in 7 rounds. So, first surprise, though we here already knew that thanks to damage log testing.
- HOWEVER, even if you tap-fire in quick succession (meaning releasing the fire button between each round), it still only took 7 rounds to kill a Chosen. So the 2s damage bonus DID apply, even though I was single-firing.

So, in summary, it's not about you holding left click or not, it's just that the 2s bonus applies from Rank 1 on full-auto weapons only.

I'm putting this all in a video that I'll post soonish. Great job nailing that discrepancy.

ed: Forgot to mention, about sticky grenade testing with vs without 6B evo - there is no way to get the bonus damage from stickies without taking 6B. Even if you decloak and hold down fire with an automatic weapon, the bonus does not apply to the grenade.

Last Edit: Apr 30, 2017 23:19:47 GMT by lennybusker

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Numerical Damage Tests May 1, 2017 0:40:00 GMT akots and peddroelm like this

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^Interesting

I was trying to do a dirty test to get bonus duration for Combat Cloak and just make sure it was two seconds, since Charger wasn't working that great. Eh, here is the stuff anyway:

Salarian Infiltrator Level 20

Tac Cloak 6
Rank 1 - 50% weapon
Rank 3 - 25% duration
Rank 4 - 40% weapon damage
Rank 5 - 50% duration
Rank 6 - Combat Cloak - 2s duration after attack

Offensive Tech 6
Rank 1 - 10% power damage
Rank 2 - 8% weapon damage
Rank 3 - 15% power damage
Rank 4 - 25% power damage, 20% effect duration
Rank 5 - 40% power damage bonus to armor
Rank 6 - Tech Synergy - 30% weapon damage bonus for 5s after tech power

Observer Shields (Bronze)

Equalizer VI

At Timediff: 8.797 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.100 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.087 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 164.969 <- tech synergy ends
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 164.969
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 164.969
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 164.969
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 164.969
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 164.969
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 164.969
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 164.969
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 164.969
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 164.969 <-cloak bonus ends 1.912s
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983 <-2.007s
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.103 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.089 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.091 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.194 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.195 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.595 Shield Damage : 78.246

63*1.15*(1+0.08+0.5+0.4+0.3)=165.186

63*1.15*(1+0.08+0.5+0.4+0.3)*1.15=189.964

63*1.15*(1+0.08+0.5+0.4)*1.15=164.969

63*1.15*(1+0.08)=78.246

63*1.15*(1+0.08)*1.15=89.983

-note that technical synergy bonus ends before cloak bonus due to waiting in cloak before breaking with fire.
-cloak bonus for 1.912 seconds, but next shot at 2.007s

At Timediff: 6.125 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 189.964
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 165.186
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 165.186 <-cloak bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 99.981
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 99.981
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 99.981
At Timediff: 0.099 Shield Damage : 114.978
At Timediff: 0.085 Shield Damage : 114.978
At Timediff: 0.088 Shield Damage : 114.978
At Timediff: 0.395 Shield Damage : 114.978
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 99.981
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 99.981
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 99.981 <-technical synergy ends
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.294 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.195 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.092 Shield Damage : 89.983
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 78.246
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 78.246

63*1.15*(1+0.08+0.5+0.4+0.3)=165.186

63*1.15*(1+0.08+0.5+0.4+0.3)*1.15=189.964

63*1.15*(1+0.08+0.5+0.4)*1.15=164.969

63*1.15*(1+0.08+0.3)=99.981

63*1.15*(1+0.08+0.3)*1.15=114.978

63*1.15*(1+0.08)=78.246

63*1.15*(1+0.08)*1.15=89.983

-again, cloak bonus for 1.91s but next shot at 2.003s

Did the same thing with the Shadow, don't really need to post bigger wall of numbers (will spoiler it maybe since it has fun math). Strangely two times the cloak bonus was slightly less than 2s at the first no-cloak-bonus shot, but the third was right. Probably frame rate variation or something. Also the Shadow III only has 40 base damage, even though it was listed as 44 on Salarian Architect and 43 on my SI.

SPOILER: Click to show

Shadow III

No Cloak

At Timediff: 8.229 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.067 Shield Damage : 57.132 <-weak point
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.196 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.029 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.196 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.027 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.063 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.100 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.091 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.092 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132

40*1.15*(1+0.08)=49.680

40*1.15*(1+0.08)*1.15=57.132

Cloak

At Timediff: 15.060 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.063 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 120.612 <-weak point
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.295 Shield Damage : 91.080 <-tech synergy ends
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 49.680 <-cloak bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132 <-weak point
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.694 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.092 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132

40*1.15*(1+0.08+0.5+0.4+0.3)=104.88

40*1.15*(1+0.08+0.5+0.4+0.3)*1.15=120.612

40*1.15*(1+0.08+0.5+0.4)=91.08

40*1.15*(1+0.08)=49.680

40*1.15*(1+0.08)*1.15=57.132

-cloak for 1.901s, next shot at 1.997s

At Timediff: 10.195 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.062 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.102 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.091 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 91.080
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.195 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.294 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 57.132

-1.895s bonus, next at 1.989s

At Timediff: 32.061 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.061 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.197 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.397 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.098 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 104.880
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 120.612
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 73.002
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 73.002
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 73.002
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 73.002
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 73.002
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 73.002
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 73.002
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 73.002
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.096 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.097 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.093 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 49.680
At Timediff: 0.094 Shield Damage : 57.132
At Timediff: 0.095 Shield Damage : 57.132

-1.912s, next at 2.009s

**Update

Asked to look at duration bonuses with respect to Combat Cloak damage. Original test had duration bonuses in passive and in cloak itself. Testing HI below with no passive, and Rank 5 Speed. Combat Cloak window is still 2 seconds, as expected.

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HI (no passive)

Cloak 6 - Damage, Speed, Combat

Equalizer VI
HP, 1494630481, 4580.644, 8DC49840, 825.000, 752.550, 632.850, -119.700
HP, 1494630481, 4580.943, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630481, 4581.042, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630481, 4581.243, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630481, 4581.345, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630481, 4581.443, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630481, 4581.542, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4581.643, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4581.742, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4581.844, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4581.943, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4582.044, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4582.145, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4582.243, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4582.342, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4582.443, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630482, 4582.542, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630483, 4582.642, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700 <-1.998s
HP, 1494630483, 4582.744, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000 <-2.100s
HP, 1494630483, 4582.843, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630483, 4583.443, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630483, 4583.543, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630484, 4583.643, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630484, 4583.743, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630484, 4584.043, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630485, 4584.643, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630485, 4584.743, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000

HP, 1494630596, 4695.586, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 687.345, -137.655
HP, 1494630596, 4695.982, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630596, 4696.081, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 687.345, -137.655
HP, 1494630596, 4696.185, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630596, 4696.282, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630596, 4696.383, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630596, 4696.482, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630597, 4696.582, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630597, 4696.685, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630597, 4696.782, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630597, 4696.882, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630597, 4697.482, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630598, 4697.582, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700 <-1.996s
HP, 1494630598, 4697.682, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000 <-2.096s
HP, 1494630598, 4697.982, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630598, 4698.082, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630598, 4698.182, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630598, 4698.282, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630598, 4698.382, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630599, 4699.282, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630599, 4699.382, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630599, 4699.482, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630600, 4699.582, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630600, 4699.681, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630600, 4699.782, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630600, 4699.882, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000

HP, 1494630632, 4731.582, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630632, 4731.686, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630632, 4731.782, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 687.345, -137.655
HP, 1494630632, 4731.883, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630632, 4731.983, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 687.345, -137.655
HP, 1494630632, 4732.082, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630632, 4732.182, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630632, 4732.282, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630632, 4732.383, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630632, 4732.483, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630633, 4732.582, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630633, 4732.683, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630633, 4732.782, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630633, 4732.881, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630633, 4733.083, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630633, 4733.182, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630633, 4733.281, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630633, 4733.382, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630633, 4733.482, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700
HP, 1494630634, 4733.582, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 705.300, -119.700 <-2.000s
HP, 1494630634, 4733.782, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000 <-2.200s
HP, 1494630634, 4733.882, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630634, 4733.983, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630634, 4734.283, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630635, 4734.582, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630635, 4734.682, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630635, 4734.782, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630635, 4734.883, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630635, 4735.182, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630635, 4735.281, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630635, 4735.382, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630635, 4735.482, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630636, 4735.582, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000
HP, 1494630636, 4735.682, 8DC49840, 825.000, 825.000, 762.000, -63.000

-Same duration as SI w/ Cloak 5 Duration and passive power duration.

Last Edit: May 14, 2017 22:43:46 GMT by capn233

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May 1, 2017 0:40:00 GMT capn233 said:

Can do the same thing for base cloak if needed. But hypothesis that base cloak only gives 2s bonus to automatics and not semi-autos isn't consistent with peddro's test since that was a Predator.

Ughghghg and I just spent like 2 hours making this video to say that the difference was auto vs. semi-auto.

Fuck it, I'm just adding an annotation to the beginning that says it might work with some semi-autos.

ed: capn233 , could the difference be between true-semi autos and bolt-action types? So the Predator and others are getting lumped in with full-autos?

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Apr 29, 2017 18:13:21 GMT capn233 said:

Apr 29, 2017 16:48:58 GMT peddroelm said:

just noticed something in SP . Past a certain long range the distance to target in viper scope goes from white to red. There's probably combat mechanics involved with when the target gets too far away ..

Yeah I think we are range capped even on the standard hitscan guns.

I believe that has something to do with the bullet drop on sniper rifles. From my quick and dirty handtesting, after about 100m or so, sniper rounds start to experience bullet drop. Completely flat up until that point, but after that, it gets ugly fast. I wonder if the same is true for other weapons, or if hitscan sniper rifles are the only class of weapon affected by this.

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Something else that a combat log would really help test - can you check to see if the listed number of rounds in a magazine are actually firing into an enemy?

It might always line up if you're hosting, but any time there's some latency you can see like, for instance, if you take the Raptor and tap fire you'll get about half as many rounds out as you should have. I'm not sure if the same happens if you just hold fire and dump the magazine - sometimes it seems like you get even more rounds than are listed in that case. It's all part of the dogshit-ass netcode for this game. But combat logs could help verify what some folks have noticed visually.

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Base Cloak Weapon Damage Bonus Duration Test

Attempting to use the time stamps from the log to get a ballpark of base cloak duration. If this methodology is flawed, please let me know.

The bottom line though is that I am seeing much closer to 0.5s bonus cloak duration for the tested weapons (Predator, Mattock, Equalizer). I tested the Predator and Mattock in the same game. But then I decided to go back and try Equalizer as well.

It didn't look like variation in the duration was based on time before breaking cloak. Some uncertainty from my less than precise manual clicking.

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Human Infiltrator Level 1 (no passive) vs Observer Shields (Bronze)

Predator X

Cloak Broken Immediately

At Timediff: 11.528 Damage : 151.200
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 108.000
At Timediff: 0.163 Damage : 108.000
At Timediff: 0.129 Damage : 108.000 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.132 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.165 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.196 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.130 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.132 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.160 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.164 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.163 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.164 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.164 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.132 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.160 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 100.800

72*(1+0.5)=108

72*(1+0.5)*1.4=151.2

72*1.4=100.8

-bonus duration 0.42s, next shot at 0.552s

At Timediff: 50.605 Damage : 151.200
At Timediff: 0.109 Damage : 151.200
At Timediff: 0.106 Damage : 108.000
At Timediff: 0.106 Damage : 151.200
At Timediff: 0.145 Damage : 100.800 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.108 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.140 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.106 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.146 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.115 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.138 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.158 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.104 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.150 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.308 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.146 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.313 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.143 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.126 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.151 Damage : 72.000

-bonus duration 0.321s, next shot at 0.466s

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Cloak, Wait ~2 seconds, Break

At Timediff: 27.876 Damage : 108.000
At Timediff: 0.160 Damage : 151.200
At Timediff: 0.130 Damage : 151.200
At Timediff: 0.163 Damage : 108.000 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.124 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.130 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.130 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.195 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.130 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.661 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.163 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.164 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.130 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.160 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 100.800

-bonus duration 0.453s, next shot at 0.577s

At Timediff: 41.896 Damage : 151.200
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 151.200
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 108.000
At Timediff: 0.130 Damage : 108.000 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.129 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.164 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.165 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.159 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.164 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.132 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.157 Damage : 100.800
At Timediff: 0.163 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.164 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 72.000
At Timediff: 0.126 Damage : 72.000

-bonus for 0.419s, next shot at 0.581s.

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Mattock IV

Cloak, Break Immediately

At Timediff: 42.662 Damage : 81.000
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 81.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 81.000 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.131 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.131 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.165 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.292 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.131 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.295 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.163 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.129 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.166 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.159 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 75.600

54*(1+0.5)=81

54*1.4=75.6

-bonus duration 0.323s, next shot at 0.454s

At Timediff: 27.728 Damage : 113.400
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 81.000
At Timediff: 0.160 Damage : 81.000
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 81.000 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.122 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.129 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.127 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.127 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.294 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.129 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.295 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.194 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.159 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.129 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.159 Damage : 54.000

54*(1+0.5)*1.4=113.4

-bonus duration 0.483s, next shot at 0.605

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Cloak, Wait 2s, Break

At Timediff: 24.994 Damage : 81.000
At Timediff: 0.160 Damage : 81.000 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.464 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.160 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.163 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.163 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.129 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.160 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.129 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.163 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.129 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.130 Damage : 54.000

-bonus duration 0.16s, next shot at 0.624 (weak finger apparently)

At Timediff: 22.528 Damage : 113.400
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 81.000
At Timediff: 0.295 Damage : 113.400 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.331 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.158 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.124 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.193 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.128 Damage : 75.600
At Timediff: 0.162 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.126 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.161 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.160 Damage : 54.000
At Timediff: 0.167 Damage : 54.000

-bonus duration 0.456s, next shot at 0.584s

***

Equalizer VI

Cloak, Break Immediately

At Timediff: 5.829 Damage : 124.976
At Timediff: 0.094 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 124.976 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 83.318
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 72.450
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 72.450
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 72.450
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 83.318
At Timediff: 0.095 Damage : 83.318
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 83.318
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 83.318
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 83.318

63*1.15*(1+0.5)=108.675

63*1.15*(1+0.5)*1.15=124.976

63*1.15=72.45

63*1.15*1.15=83.318

-bonus duration 0.481s, next shot at 0.577s

At Timediff: 9.162 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.093 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 124.976
At Timediff: 0.095 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 108.675 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.096 Damage : 83.318
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 83.318
At Timediff: 0.195 Damage : 72.450
At Timediff: 0.097 Damage : 72.450
At Timediff: 0.094 Damage : 72.450

-bonus duration 0.381s, next shot at 0.477s

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Cloak, Wait 2s, Break

At Timediff: 18.895 Damage : 124.976
At Timediff: 0.091 Damage : 124.976
At Timediff: 0.094 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.088 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.095 Damage : 108.675
At Timediff: 0.094 Damage : 124.976 <-bonus ends
At Timediff: 0.092 Damage : 83.318
At Timediff: 0.077 Damage : 72.450
At Timediff: 0.095 Damage : 72.450
At Timediff: 0.195 Damage : 72.450

-bonus duration 0.462s, next shot at 0.554s

Last Edit: May 1, 2017 2:09:13 GMT by capn233

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May 1, 2017 2:05:36 GMT misguidedworm7 said:

Does the game have a time modifier in place. IIRC in me3 silver and up ran at 1.05 speed. resulting in 2 seconds being ~1.9.

It might.

I was testing on Bronze. Not sure if it has any time compression (it didn't in ME3), but the Combat Cloak duration ended up falling into 2s most of the time, while rank 1 Cloak was much shorter.

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May 1, 2017 2:13:06 GMT capn233 said:

May 1, 2017 2:05:36 GMT misguidedworm7 said:

Does the game have a time modifier in place. IIRC in me3 silver and up ran at 1.05 speed. resulting in 2 seconds being ~1.9.

It might.

I was testing on Bronze. Not sure if it has any time compression (it didn't in ME3), but the Combat Cloak duration ended up falling into 2s most of the time, while rank 1 Cloak was much shorter.

Might consider trying with Cloak up to rank 6, just with 6A instead of Combat Cloak.

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May 1, 2017 2:16:24 GMT lennybusker said:

May 1, 2017 2:13:06 GMT capn233 said:

It might.

I was testing on Bronze. Not sure if it has any time compression (it didn't in ME3), but the Combat Cloak duration ended up falling into 2s most of the time, while rank 1 Cloak was much shorter.

Might consider trying with Cloak up to rank 6, just with 6A instead of Combat Cloak.

Perhaps, but not tonight for me.

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