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Post by Qui-Gon GlenN7 on Apr 27, 2017 17:57:16 GMT
You should run and hide. I will find you. Ridiculous fucking post holy shit.   In truth, the even numbered movies are exceptional and I will be triggered significantly by anything contrary. TMP is.... For real fans, I guess. 3 & 5 are abysmal, with 5 being one of the worst movies of all time. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 18:09:12 GMT
Atleast 3 senior writers worked on it and 2 of them have worked at Bioware for over 10 years. The right approach would be helping the new writers get better, not fire them. Nah - you fail to execute at your job to this extent - you should be fired. If anything, hiring standards need to be reviewed, and the person in charge of the new hires should be fired as well. If I fuck up at my job, my boss isn't going to help me get better - lol. I don't follow your logic. When a surgeon messes up on a procedure they've done a thousand times before, they will not lose their job. Again these are writers that wrote a story you don't like and therefore you want them fired? Your logic is flawed. It is rather the leadership that failed to guide them and have a certain vision of what they wanted to accomplish. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 27, 2017 18:13:39 GMT
It could just as well be argued that having a fully established civilization that spanned the cluster with multiple alien races littered throughout would undermine the frontier aspect that could have been the game's intended design from the start, rather than just another way to cut corners. What's that, more conflict in a story is bad? News to me. Well how about to hell with the frontier and give me a whole entire new galaxy of possibilities and imagination instead. Whether or not there's more conflict as a result is neither here or there. All I'm saying is that the current story wouldn't mesh with a cluster that is already teeming with established settlements on the level of Illium, Eden Prime or Bekenstein, and that the assumption that the current story is simply a result of corner cutting is not one with a really solid basis. Whether or not someone likes the story is a separate matter. As for a new galaxy of possibilities, we already have that. As for imagination, well, that's never really worth discussing since people have wildly different takes on what's imaginative and what isn't. I can't help but note the slight contradiction in saying "to hell with the frontier" while following that with the suggestion of getting a galaxy of possibilities though. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2017 18:19:30 GMT
OK i'll humor you...what would hiring a writer who 'has a couple of novels under their belt' do...what for BioWare exactly? They are two entirely different mediums. And not all people who write 'novels' are good at it to begin with. And, at least over in the DA side of things, they have writers who have written for both novels and games. And while I am unfamiliar with the writing resume of the entire staff for MEA I find it hard to believe they haven't at least...dabbled. I shall expand........... A GOOD writer. given Andromedas plot and characters I'd say they already have great writers. |
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Post by Terminator Force on Apr 27, 2017 18:21:26 GMT
What's that, more conflict in a story is bad? News to me. Well how about to hell with the frontier and give me a whole entire new galaxy of possibilities and imagination instead. Whether or not there's more conflict as a result is neither here or there. All I'm saying is that the current story wouldn't mesh with a cluster that is already teeming with established settlements on the level of Illium, Eden Prime or Bekenstein, and that the assumption that the current story is simply a result of corner cutting is not one with a really solid basis. Whether or not someone likes the story is a separate matter. As for a new galaxy of possibilities, we already have that. As for imagination, well, that's never really worth discussing since people have wildly different takes on what's imaginative and what isn't. I can't help but note the slight contradiction in saying "to hell with the frontier" while following that with the suggestion of getting a galaxy of possibilities though. So what passes for imagination these days is pulling a Jar Jar Abrams Star Wars the Force Awakens. ... I want out of this galaxy.  |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 27, 2017 18:22:11 GMT
I shall expand........... A GOOD writer. given Andromedas plot and characters I'd say they already have great writers. I think as a concept it's pretty grand overall, but they could use a great deal of tightening up the regular dialogue/banter. There are instances when I love what characters are saying, but others where I feel that someone just wrote those lines down really quickly and decided "Screw it moving on." |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2017 18:22:46 GMT
Yeah, there are alot of similarities to the Collectors in the Kett. The Kett just have more backstory with info on the Senate, and dissension in the ranks quest, and other things that point to them being more than simple mindless drones. This wasn't tapped into all that much in ME:A, but it hints at more going on than what we've seen so far. Which is why I call the Kett "Collectors done right." Collectors done "better" might be more accurate, though. IF Bioware uses these threads to create more plot points in any future sequels, the Kett could really shine. That's obviously speculation, but what we got in ME:A already gives more backstory stuff to the Kett than the Collectors ever had, which makes them more interesting to me as antagonists. Yanno... I can't help but wonder if BioWare was trying to re-create ME2, to a degree. For reasons I'll never fully understand, that game was wildly popular. Parallels between the collectors and the kett. Abbreviated main plot. Loyalty missions, w/ additional personal vignettes. Side content more focused on world-building than bearing any relationship to the main plot. Hacking puzzles. Scanning for resources. Enhancements bought with research and resources. A collection of short stories, rather than a focused excursion through a single specific narrative. Just a thought. they said they were taking the best parts of 1,2 and 3 so that's a given. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 27, 2017 18:24:27 GMT
Whether or not there's more conflict as a result is neither here or there. All I'm saying is that the current story wouldn't mesh with a cluster that is already teeming with established settlements on the level of Illium, Eden Prime or Bekenstein, and that the assumption that the current story is simply a result of corner cutting is not one with a really solid basis. Whether or not someone likes the story is a separate matter. As for a new galaxy of possibilities, we already have that. As for imagination, well, that's never really worth discussing since people have wildly different takes on what's imaginative and what isn't. I can't help but note the slight contradiction in saying "to hell with the frontier" while following that with the suggestion of getting a galaxy of possibilities though. So what passes for imagination these days is pulling a Jar Jar Abrams Star Wars the Force Awakens. ... I want out of this galaxy. Well, it's like I said... |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2017 18:25:27 GMT
given Andromedas plot and characters I'd say they already have great writers. I think as a concept it's pretty grand overall, but they could use a great deal of tightening up the regular dialogue/banter. There are instances when I love what characters are saying, but others where I feel that someone just wrote those lines down really quickly and decided "Screw it moving on." indeed. I think MEA could probably use a better LEAD writer. A Patrick Weekes or David Gaider type. Someone who can not only write...but lead. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2017 18:26:40 GMT
Whether or not there's more conflict as a result is neither here or there. All I'm saying is that the current story wouldn't mesh with a cluster that is already teeming with established settlements on the level of Illium, Eden Prime or Bekenstein, and that the assumption that the current story is simply a result of corner cutting is not one with a really solid basis. Whether or not someone likes the story is a separate matter. As for a new galaxy of possibilities, we already have that. As for imagination, well, that's never really worth discussing since people have wildly different takes on what's imaginative and what isn't. I can't help but note the slight contradiction in saying "to hell with the frontier" while following that with the suggestion of getting a galaxy of possibilities though. So what passes for imagination these days is pulling a Jar Jar Abrams Star Wars the Force Awakens. ... I want out of this galaxy. hey leave force awakens out of this. |
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 27, 2017 18:26:58 GMT
Just get Steven Moffat to write it, He will fit in perfectly with BioWare.  |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 27, 2017 18:27:48 GMT
Just get Steven Moffat to write it, He will fit in perfectly with BioWare. I honestly stopped caring after Series 6. That guy has been showrunner for way too long, and I'm not looking forward to the joker that's following him. |
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 27, 2017 18:28:55 GMT
Just get Steven Moffat to write it, He will fit in perfectly with BioWare. I honestly stopped caring after Series 6. That guy has been showrunner for way too long, and I'm not looking forward to the joker that's following him. Please tell me you at least get the joke. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2017 18:29:42 GMT
Just get Steven Moffat to write it, He will fit in perfectly with BioWare. snort....wait he will?...how? Don't get me wrong i love the moff but i detect a trap. |
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Post by Papa Franku on Apr 27, 2017 18:31:49 GMT
Yet its a game that had far more effort put into its side quests. They were often fully fleshed out stories or part of a larger story arc. Oh yeah, the one sidequest that involved flying from system to system for ten minutes followed by an excursion to a planet we already explored, scanning some things in the environment, and culminating in an anti-climactic cutscene involving characters we haven't been given reason to care about was really something Why are you even here? |
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on Apr 27, 2017 18:33:08 GMT
Just get Steven Moffat to write it, He will fit in perfectly with BioWare. snort....wait he will?...how? Don't get me wrong i love the moff but i detect a trap. A lot of SJW consider him a male chauvinistic pig, and you know how BW is. The fireworks would be amazing to watch. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2017 18:34:42 GMT
snort....wait he will?...how? Don't get me wrong i love the moff but i detect a trap. A lot of SJW consider him a male chauvinistic pig, and you know how BW is. The fireworks would be amazing to watch. they do? Oh that's right they do! That'd indeed be glorious. |
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Post by suikoden on Apr 27, 2017 18:34:52 GMT
Whenever I see mention of fetch quests, I always wish that people would point one out so I can remember if I ever fetched something specific. Honestly, if youre this blind to the problem of fetch quests in Andromeda, there's no point arguing with you - youre set in your viewpoint. It'd be like trying to reason with a Trump supporter. |
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Post by KaiserShep on Apr 27, 2017 18:37:08 GMT
Whenever I see mention of fetch quests, I always wish that people would point one out so I can remember if I ever fetched something specific. Honestly, if youre this blind to the problem of fetch quests in Andromeda, there's no point arguing with you - youre set in your viewpoint. It'd be like trying to reason with a Trump supporter. Partly I'm being pedantic for fun, but really, "fetch quest" just seems like crappy shorthand and isn't really helpful for discussion. Anyway, let's not get this twisted. I'm certainly not blind to Andromeda's many issues and have explained my own gripes here and there; I just enjoy butting against what can easily turn into a fandom-addled circlejerk of naysaying, and of course the instances of enjoyable irony where something seen as bad now was somehow good in the past. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2017 18:39:09 GMT
Honestly, if youre this blind to the problem of fetch quests in Andromeda, there's no point arguing with you - youre set in your viewpoint. It'd be like trying to reason with a Trump supporter. Partly I'm being pedantic for fun, but really, "fetch quest" just seems like crappy shorthand and isn't really helpful for discussion. fetch quest has gone from the useful definition of 'quest where you fetch things' to the useless 'quest i do not like' |
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Post by suikoden on Apr 27, 2017 18:57:34 GMT
Nah - you fail to execute at your job to this extent - you should be fired. If anything, hiring standards need to be reviewed, and the person in charge of the new hires should be fired as well. If I fuck up at my job, my boss isn't going to help me get better - lol. I don't follow your logic. When a surgeon messes up on a procedure they've done a thousand times before, they will not lose their job. Again these are writers that wrote a story you don't like and therefore you want them fired? Your logic is flawed. It is rather the leadership that failed to guide them and have a certain vision of what they wanted to accomplish. Team is full of new hires - they haven't done it before. They have no proven track recored (fanfiction doesn't count)... If a surgeon fucks up badly enough - say he/she cuts off the wrong persons leg, I'm pretty sure he's going to be fired. Andromedas writers just happened to cut off an arm and a leg, and threw in a vasectomy while they were at it. |
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Post by colfoley on Apr 27, 2017 19:00:49 GMT
I don't follow your logic. When a surgeon messes up on a procedure they've done a thousand times before, they will not lose their job. Again these are writers that wrote a story you don't like and therefore you want them fired? Your logic is flawed. It is rather the leadership that failed to guide them and have a certain vision of what they wanted to accomplish. Team is full of new hires - they haven't done it before. They have no proven track recored (fanfiction doesn't count)... If a surgeon fucks up badly enough - say he/she cuts off the wrong persons leg, I'm pretty sure he's going to be fired. Andromedas writers just happened to cut off an arm and a leg, and threw in a vasectomy while they were at it. if that's true then the trilogy writers did two decapitations and botched up a foot or two. |
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Post by Deleted on Apr 27, 2017 19:07:02 GMT
I don't follow your logic. When a surgeon messes up on a procedure they've done a thousand times before, they will not lose their job. Again these are writers that wrote a story you don't like and therefore you want them fired? Your logic is flawed. It is rather the leadership that failed to guide them and have a certain vision of what they wanted to accomplish. Team is full of new hires - they haven't done it before. They have no proven track recored (fanfiction doesn't count)... If a surgeon fucks up badly enough - say he/she cuts off the wrong persons leg, I'm pretty sure he's going to be fired. Andromedas writers just happened to cut off an arm and a leg, and threw in a vasectomy while they were at it. John Dombrow ... (lead writer) Cathleen Rootsaert ... (lead writer) Chris Schlerf ... (lead writer) Joanna Berry ... (writer) Sheryl Chee ... (writer) Hall Hood ... (writer) Lukas Kristjanson ... (writer) Ann Lemay ... (writer) Neil Pollner ... (writer) Samantha Wallschlaeger ... (writer) Jay Watamaniuk ... (writer) Courtney Woods ... (writer) These are all the writing credits on the game, according to IMDB. The only new one out of this bunch as far as I know is Courtney Woods. She used to work as a community manager on Swtor. My main issue is the three credits at the top. This game had three different lead writers, four if you count that Mac had to step in for a few weeks when Chris Schlerf left. The vision for what they wanted to do with the story is lacking and that is on the leads. However i have faith in the current leadwriter. That would be Cathleen Rootsaert. What she has contributed so far is pretty solid, to bad she wasn't lead on the project from the start. |
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Post by Iakus on Apr 27, 2017 19:20:13 GMT
With the exception of Wrath of Khan, the reboot Star Trek movies are better than the originals. *runs and hides* You should run and hide. I will find you. Ridiculous fucking post holy shit.  |
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Post by Iakus on Apr 27, 2017 19:23:29 GMT
Team is full of new hires - they haven't done it before. They have no proven track recored (fanfiction doesn't count)... If a surgeon fucks up badly enough - say he/she cuts off the wrong persons leg, I'm pretty sure he's going to be fired. Andromedas writers just happened to cut off an arm and a leg, and threw in a vasectomy while they were at it. if that's true then the trilogy writers did two decapitations and botched up a foot or two. ...Yes? |
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