So...why did BW completely rewrite Krogan society?

Shiagur didnt change Krogan society she was a part of it.

I don't know why people think shes a counter argument at all. Shes a perfect example of a female relying on the males being males.

...because they left for the Andromeda galaxy.

No, the lore is that there were female Krogan warriors. So, no, not "sparkling away" at all.

What does that have to do with what you quoted? In any way at all?

If this is abput Shiagur being a warrior.

HAHAHAHAHA

Shiagur wasnt a particularly skilled warlord she used fertility to gather male warriors around her.

Try reading about it.

does it mention specifically by what?

The fact that she is a warlord and a leader and female is the counter part of the argument. The op's point is the females arn't warriors or warlord in krogan society, which is not true. It's just that after the genophage to could not anymore because they needed to focus on breeding.

Now that fact I won't argue against. Even Wrex mentions that females that can produce a clutch have to be protected. However, my point is that females in Krogan society weren't always "stay at home". Warlord Shiagur parlayed her ability to breed into a position of power but the key point there is that she was a Warlord, not just some breeder.

I'm on your side. That's a pro to your argument.

oh that's right now that i think about that. Still either A. It was a borderline lie. The krogan probably considered them destroyed for leaving. Or B. All of clan nakmor didn't leave. The survivors were then destroyed by Urdnot.

@at this little argument of krogan females not being involved in things and such: shiagur was before the genophage got implemented and that was a time when females weren't needing to be restricted as there was no need to. However after the genophage fertility rates dropped where females became to valuable to lose, so obviously you'd want to restrict them from fighting and being exposed to the public. So being how this initiative group left before the genophage cure, it seems unlikely other krogans would accept this action of risking females to a whole new Galaxy regardless if they wanted change or not. You need to remember a cure for the genophage was the krogans #1 interest, and they wouldn't chance losing females to an expedition. It would've been better for bioware to just drop the krogans from the andromeda story to retain krogan nature. Instead, now you have these constant debates how "it makes no sense why/how the krogan are doing this"

@darr: I'm hoping you don't seriously think females were never warriors or leaders as that's false. Before the genophage they were much more common, after the genophage (ME1-3) you only hear of them being restricted because of the effect of the genophage and it making them targets to weaken the krogan further(you even see data that krogans would have to use decoys when moving their females as that's how valuable they are and how big of a target they really are), hence why we never see one untill the time came to cure it, and you see Eve be a clear cut leader that demanded respect over the males trying to start another pointless and unnecessary fight.

So I do indeed find it odd that females would even be allowed to come to Andromeda, I would expect krogans to actually step in the way and flat out deny that action because of how important the females are to them. Furthermore it's even more odd that a female is taking lead being how it puts her out in public and you already have some krogan wanting said leader out of the way. Is that 3% mortality gain really enough for the krogans to put their females in higher roles that will put them at more of a risk?

The fact it says she used her ferility to rally powerful males doesnt speak volumes to you about the difference between her and what Morda is supposed to be?

Eve is essentially the same thing, not fertile used a runner.

Becomes immune to the Genophage all of a sudden shes commanding Krogan into battle against Reapers.


This is the REAL Krogan.

Shiagurs fertility was a huge bargaining chip to gather males on her side. Even the ME wiki will show that, it doesn't reference her fighting prowess at all and actually says her band wasn't all that powerful. It was her sweet talk that made things work for her.