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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 22:10:11 GMT
How many times do we give them slack? Do we let them keep making the same mistakes and sit back and go "It's ok, you tried your best."? I've been done giving EA slack since they released Sims 3. Bioware's got one more "I'll give you some slack" in me, but after that... Waiting for Bethesda to look like this after fan outrage...still...still waiting... best free image hosting sites
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Post by qwib on Apr 30, 2017 22:13:16 GMT
Then let me assure you, I have played way more buggy and unplayable games and some of them are RPG Cult Classics. ME:A is a good game, with a couple of bugs. Most of you are drama queens. I always like the since I didn't experience them they don't exist attitude. Then you have to put on your glasses and read again. In no way shape or form did I say there are no bugs in the game.
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Post by colfoley on Apr 30, 2017 22:13:24 GMT
Indeed. I find this desire for other announcements, while understandable, a bit perposterous. They said in that original announcement that X,Y, Z were coming, we got X...we still have Y and Z. Granted they could change their mind or decide they can't do it like the MP beta...but until they make that announcement all we can do is trust they are keeping their word. A word they have not kept in ME3 and DAI? Why should it be any different here? My trust in BW was a solid 10/10 prior to ME3. Dropped to 8/10 during ME3 and 5/10 with the ME3 ending, another 4/10 with the DLCs and 3/10 after DAI, it hit 0 with MEA, I doubt they will do anything worthwhile. But as they say, hope is the last to die and so, I still have hope they still somehow hit the road. I'm sorry but BioWare has shown a remarkable degree of keeping their word. They promised they'd make changes to the ending and improve upon it. They did...granted it took a rather herculean effort...but they did. (3 DLCs, two of them paid). They promised they'd make changes and improvements to DA I, and they did. The DLCs took an already great game and turned it into something truly legendary and the patches added and changed a lot of things I personally thought were unneccessary but were nice flavor changes. And they have promised that they will make changes to MEA, given the vast improvement patch 1.05 made to an already great game I am looking forward to further patches. Yes if they cancel further patches and EA or BioWare decides to justr cut their losses with Andromeda I wll be shaken and my trust will be damaged a little. Just like my trust was shaken when they canceled the MP event. But so far BioWare has a track record of keeping their word. If you do not agree with the quality of some of their changes that is on you, but they have generally done what they said they are going to do, and they generally listen to fan critiques...too much sometimes imo. Now if your trust is shaken in BioWare because you personally feel they no longer deliver quality products, that is on you. But its a matter of personal preference rather then BioWare not keeping their word.
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Post by qwib on Apr 30, 2017 22:17:19 GMT
Then let me assure you, I have played way more buggy and unplayable games and some of them are RPG Cult Classics. ME:A is a good game, with a couple of bugs. Most of you are drama queens. Yay for people dismissing valid concerns because THEY weren't affected by the bugs! Let's see. I've had about 8 missions I've had to restart due to bugs that prevent me from continuing. I've had my entire save folder deleted, and had to use a 3rd party program do a deepscan to recover ONE, which happened to be 3 hours past. I've had a dozen quests unfinishable because the final objective either never spawns, never becomes interactable, or doesn't get marked as complete. I've had the bug where no weapons or augments drop between level 61-71. I've gotten stuck about a million times. There's also the numerous people who can't enter or exit the Nexus for some strange reason (see the EA help thread. It's very extensive and weird). Maybe you start reading, before answering. It's a great thing.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 30, 2017 22:19:59 GMT
They said that it would take the next few months to work on patches. Who is to say another patch is not on route? I am sure we will get something in a week or two. As the developers it is certainly their prerogative. To me though it just shows a lack of urgency on their part. I'm not even a terribly big fan of MEA and I still get the feeling I care more about it getting patched than they do. Maybe it is just my personality but if I pushed a product out to a customer that they either were dissatisfied with or was incredibly buggy for them to use I would certainly be doing everything in my power to get them fixes as quick as possible. Saying "oh yeah, we'll get you some patches for that in a few months" just tells me they don't even care about their own product. If BW themselves aren't going to take any pride in their work why should I? They mapped it out though. Perhaps you need patience before you claim lack of urgency. If were having this conversation in September, then you might have a point. But not two weeks out.
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Post by qwib on Apr 30, 2017 22:28:31 GMT
Then let me assure you, I have played way more buggy and unplayable games and some of them are RPG Cult Classics. ME:A is a good game, with a couple of bugs. Most of you are drama queens. I'm not being a drama queen, I'm being a customer who values Bioware and wants them to succeed by talking about my experiences. I'm not trying to blindly trash the game, I'm giving my opinion on a product they put out. When I say "buggy", I meant more so "unpolished." The facial animations (why doesn't f!Ryder have animations unique to HER face in cut scenes like m!Ryder does? No wonder why her mouth likes to jump halfway up her face) the editing of a handful of cinematic scenes containing bizarre cuts and consistency issues (it's as if they worked on the cinematics until the quality reached an *acceptable* standard), the fucking movie night scene. I was constantly taken out of the game due to these issues. And that is a huge issue for because I play Bioware games to escape and be immersed in their world. I still enjoyed the game.... but I'm back to playing FO4. Hopefully their future support will bring me back to do another playthrough. EDIT: Since we're pointing out bugs, I would like to point out that I attempted a second playthrough, but ran into a bug where Ryder's gun wouldn't load in the prologue. Reloading didn't work. I died multiple times trying to fight the kett without a pistol. I gave up after that lol. I'm glad you at least realize complaining about bugs, when you clearly meant facial animations is like talking about apples and oranges. You play FO4, but you complain about bugs in Mass Effect Andromeda being the worst game you played on release.... Are you sure, you are okay?
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Post by timebean on Apr 30, 2017 22:32:48 GMT
I have had very few bugs on my PC (just a few random things). So bugs aren't the issue for me.
The lifeless story, boring characters, and overall yawn-fest that the game turned out to be is my gripe.
I have watched PG-13 movies that are more emotionally mature than this sad lump of a game. Boobies + cusswords do not equal mature, imo. It felt like a 14-year old kids idea of a "grown-up" story. Even the outlaws were boring.
But it's cool. If this is the route they wanna take in their games, and it has an audience of folk who dig more lighthearted, easing-going narratives, then I am fine with it. There is a whole world of games out there to play, so I am seriously not even bitter about it.
I do want to know what happens with the dangling plot threads, but I'll wait before buying the next game. I will be sure to come here and read the posts from folks whose insight I trust before purchasing and I won't pre-order. Easy-peasy. Problem solved. No need to hate Bioware/EA because I personally don't like the direction they are going.
Edited to add - Jaysus...you guys are being really mean to one another about the bugs. Chill out, eh? (slinking out before it gets worse in here...)
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Post by Estaq99 on Apr 30, 2017 22:38:08 GMT
I love Bioware and love Mass Effect, but the criticism was well deserved. I waited 5 years for a broken game. I have literally never played anything as buggy as MEA was at launch. Then let me assure you, I have played way more buggy and unplayable games and some of them are RPG Cult Classics. ME:A is a good game, with a couple of bugs. Most of you are drama queens. Aww!!! So sweet, bless your heart. Keep repeating it to yourself and I'm sure you will think is true...eventually. It's called denial state of mind.
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Post by dmc1001 on Apr 30, 2017 22:45:30 GMT
Honestly, it's not worth the time to post there. I think EA has a big fail when it comes to helping people out who are experiencing problems. They don't respond to these posts for the most part. The only way to get any sort of help is a chat or phone call. The forum is only good if a solution was found by someone and that person was kind enough to share said solution. It's just as likely you'll find a solution on BSN than there. Maybe more likely finding it here.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 30, 2017 22:48:39 GMT
As the developers it is certainly their prerogative. To me though it just shows a lack of urgency on their part. I'm not even a terribly big fan of MEA and I still get the feeling I care more about it getting patched than they do. Maybe it is just my personality but if I pushed a product out to a customer that they either were dissatisfied with or was incredibly buggy for them to use I would certainly be doing everything in my power to get them fixes as quick as possible. Saying "oh yeah, we'll get you some patches for that in a few months" just tells me they don't even care about their own product. If BW themselves aren't going to take any pride in their work why should I? They mapped it out though. Perhaps you need patience before you claim lack of urgency. If were having this conversation in September, then you might have a point. But not two weeks out. First off it has been 4 weeks since the last patch, and 6 weeks since release. Not two. As for anything else, you can interpret it however you want. To me personally it speaks a lot about how they view the game and their customers. They know that the majority of people that are going to buy and play the game do so within the first couple of weeks after release. Planning fixes to come weeks and months after that you already know are going to be meaningless for the large majority of your customers. If they really felt a sense of urgency and cared about allowing players to experience the game the best they can make it they would have gotten what fixes they could have out in that window. Considering the reception this game received I'm not so sure I would have been as comfortable as they appear to be planning for fixes months and months down the road.
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Post by Seera1024 on Apr 30, 2017 22:55:59 GMT
I love Bioware and love Mass Effect, but the criticism was well deserved. I waited 5 years for a broken game. I have literally never played anything as buggy as MEA was at launch. Then let me assure you, I have played way more buggy and unplayable games and some of them are RPG Cult Classics. ME:A is a good game, with a couple of bugs. Most of you are drama queens. I haven't seen anyone in this thread be a drama queen about bugs. There are more than a couple of bugs in this game. Some of them being game breaking as they either crash the game or prevent progression of the main story line. People who have had more than the occasional rare crash or experience a bug that causes them to have to repeat several hours of game play to get around or worse, have to replay the entire game (what if the one poster who had their saves disappear hadn't been able to recover an old save?), have every right to be angry that their game doesn't work right and to post about it in such a manner that gets their anger across provided it doesn't break the rules of the location they post. And just to clear the air, I'm one of the lucky ones who hasn't experienced more than maybe one or two glitches. But I realize that sometimes it's a certain combination of things that have to happen to trigger a glitch and maybe I just didn't meet those criteria. Or it's due to a certain combination of hardware and/or software that causes the problem.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 22:56:46 GMT
Conveniently forgetting that BioWare shut down their forums last year, fucking moron. Now that was uncalled for. This is their forum and EA help. They have actually been helpfull. Oh reported. Yes because this forum is so full of chuckles and laughs, I'm sure the old one wasn't a disease ridden warren in need of flame throwers and napalm.
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Post by qwib on Apr 30, 2017 22:57:18 GMT
Then let me assure you, I have played way more buggy and unplayable games and some of them are RPG Cult Classics. ME:A is a good game, with a couple of bugs. Most of you are drama queens. Aww!!! So sweet, bless your heart. Keep repeating it to yourself and I'm sure you will think is true...eventually. It's called denial state of mind. No I just play games for two decades now and I know what a total disaster looks like. Mass Effect Andromeda is no Daikatana, not even close.
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Post by griffith82 on Apr 30, 2017 22:59:28 GMT
Now that was uncalled for. This is their forum and EA help. They have actually been helpfull. Oh reported. Yes because this forum is so full of chuckles and laughs, I'm sure the old one wasn't a disease ridden warren in need of flame throwers and napalm. Doesn't excuse this place turning into the same thing. We should all be civilized not act like 2 year olds.
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Post by erikson on Apr 30, 2017 23:02:18 GMT
Yes because this forum is so full of chuckles and laughs, I'm sure the old one wasn't a disease ridden warren in need of flame throwers and napalm. Doesn't excuse this place turning into the same thing. We should all be civilized not act like 2 year olds. Agreed.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 30, 2017 23:03:41 GMT
They mapped it out though. Perhaps you need patience before you claim lack of urgency. If were having this conversation in September, then you might have a point. But not two weeks out. First off it has been 4 weeks since the last patch, and 6 weeks since release. Not two. As for anything else, you can interpret it however you want. To me personally it speaks a lot about how they view the game and their customers. They know that the majority of people that are going to buy and play the game do so within the first couple of weeks after release. Planning fixes to come weeks and months after that you already know are going to be meaningless for the large majority of your customers. If they really felt a sense of urgency and cared about allowing players to experience the game the best they can make it they would have gotten what fixes they could have out in that window. Considering the reception this game received I'm not so sure I would have been as comfortable as they appear to be planning for fixes months and months down the road. Honestly, what you personally feel is irrelevant. What you personally think is meaningless to what BioWare has already said and planned to do. That is not interpretation, that is fact. Also got to remember, a lot of these patches are coming at the expense of their timetable for most of their future content, the impressions gathered noted that the big patches fixing up content and bugs come first, DLC later with other interim fixes. That is interpreted from the posts made, so if i'm wrong there i'm wrong there, but I find it frankly disingenuous for someone to claim BioWare is not being quick enough with fixes to the fucking game, when they basically told you here is what we're going to do. So yeah, have patience. Or don't, I don't care. Still doesn't change the facts here.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 30, 2017 23:04:08 GMT
Doesn't excuse this place turning into the same thing. We should all be civilized not act like 2 year olds. Agreed. Double agreed. Having different opinions is the whole point of a forum, but name calling and insults are just uncalled for.
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First off it has been 4 weeks since the last patch, and 6 weeks since release. Not two. As for anything else, you can interpret it however you want. To me personally it speaks a lot about how they view the game and their customers. They know that the majority of people that are going to buy and play the game do so within the first couple of weeks after release. Planning fixes to come weeks and months after that you already know are going to be meaningless for the large majority of your customers. If they really felt a sense of urgency and cared about allowing players to experience the game the best they can make it they would have gotten what fixes they could have out in that window. Considering the reception this game received I'm not so sure I would have been as comfortable as they appear to be planning for fixes months and months down the road. Honestly, what you personally feel is irrelevant. What you personally think is meaningless to what BioWare has already said and planned to do. That is not interpretation, that is fact. Also got to remember, a lot of these patches are coming at the expense of their timetable for most of their future content, the impressions gathered noted that the big patches fixing up content and bugs come first, DLC later with other interim fixes. That is interpreted from the posts made, so if i'm wrong there i'm wrong there, but I find it frankly disingenuous for someone to claim BioWare is not being quick enough with fixes to the fucking game, when they basically told you here is what we're going to do. So yeah, have patience. Or don't, I don't care. Still doesn't change the facts here. Wow. Might as well tell anyone with a grievous medical emergency to "wait their turn" if the injured party dies in the next five minutes.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 30, 2017 23:06:24 GMT
Agreed. Double agreed. Having different opinions is the whole point of a forum, but name calling and insults are just uncalled for. Personally, I save the insults for those that are willfully ignorant. My recent responses were justified.
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Post by decafhigh on Apr 30, 2017 23:06:38 GMT
Honestly, what you personally feel is irrelevant. /shrug I don't really care what you think about how I feel. Its not irrelevant to me. If you can't handle me expressing an opinion than simply gloss over me.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 30, 2017 23:07:14 GMT
Honestly, what you personally feel is irrelevant. What you personally think is meaningless to what BioWare has already said and planned to do. That is not interpretation, that is fact. Also got to remember, a lot of these patches are coming at the expense of their timetable for most of their future content, the impressions gathered noted that the big patches fixing up content and bugs come first, DLC later with other interim fixes. That is interpreted from the posts made, so if i'm wrong there i'm wrong there, but I find it frankly disingenuous for someone to claim BioWare is not being quick enough with fixes to the fucking game, when they basically told you here is what we're going to do. So yeah, have patience. Or don't, I don't care. Still doesn't change the facts here. Wow. Might as well tell anyone with a grievous medical emergency to "wait their turn" if the injured party dies in the next five minutes. Apples and Oranges. One scenario is a life or death situation. The other is about a video game where the company got your money already. They don't owe you anything in the latter, while the other owes you their attention in the former.
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Post by linksocarina on Apr 30, 2017 23:08:00 GMT
Honestly, what you personally feel is irrelevant. /shrug I don't really care what you think about how I feel. Its not irrelevant to me. If you can't handle me expressing an opinion than simply gloss over me. If you can't handle me calling out why your opinion is terrible, then perhaps you should gloss over as well. As for myself, I'll continue what I do best. It is my day job to call out silly things anyway.
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Wow. Might as well tell anyone with a grievous medical emergency to "wait their turn" if the injured party dies in the next five minutes. Apples and Oranges. One scenario is a life or death situation. The other is about a video game where the company got your money already. They don't owe you anything in the latter, while the other owes you their attention in the former. And if someone is unsatisfied with the product they bought for, the customers have a right to be pissed off with the quality of said product.
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Post by Gecko on Apr 30, 2017 23:51:20 GMT
*Throws a chill pill to the thread*
Now that we've had a time out I'd like to remind everyone that personal attacks against other members will not be tolerated.
A lot of good points have been made in this thread and I would hate to nuke it because a few people couldn't help but fling insults at each other....
Please discuss and debate the topic without sinking to that level.
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Post by R'Shara on Apr 30, 2017 23:57:00 GMT
I'm not being a drama queen, I'm being a customer who values Bioware and wants them to succeed by talking about my experiences. I'm not trying to blindly trash the game, I'm giving my opinion on a product they put out. When I say "buggy", I meant more so "unpolished." The facial animations (why doesn't f!Ryder have animations unique to HER face in cut scenes like m!Ryder does? No wonder why her mouth likes to jump halfway up her face) the editing of a handful of cinematic scenes containing bizarre cuts and consistency issues (it's as if they worked on the cinematics until the quality reached an *acceptable* standard), the fucking movie night scene. I was constantly taken out of the game due to these issues. And that is a huge issue for because I play Bioware games to escape and be immersed in their world. I still enjoyed the game.... but I'm back to playing FO4. Hopefully their future support will bring me back to do another playthrough. EDIT: Since we're pointing out bugs, I would like to point out that I attempted a second playthrough, but ran into a bug where Ryder's gun wouldn't load in the prologue. Reloading didn't work. I died multiple times trying to fight the kett without a pistol. I gave up after that lol. I'm glad you at least realize complaining about bugs, when you clearly meant facial animations is like talking about apples and oranges. You play FO4, but you complain about bugs in Mass Effect Andromeda being the worst game you played on release.... Are you sure, you are okay? I mean bugs when I said bugs. As in, things that make the game unplayable. I am not being a drama queen. You continue to refuse to acknowledge there are a substantial number of them just because you didn't experience them. This is simply not true. I'd also love it if you pointed out to me where I said it was the worst game I played on release? Because I'm pretty sure I have not, and never have, said that. I love threads like this. I go away for a few hours, come back, and have a million likes. Sigh.
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