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Post by RoboticWater on May 1, 2017 23:23:15 GMT
Spoiler Warning! I know we have an abundance of analysis for Andromeda, but Noah Gervais one of my favorite critics. He's lovably lo-fi, increadibly well-read, and exceptionally thorough. He's also the guy who got me to play Inquisition despite the tepid reception it received from my other trusted review sources. Having viewed most of the review right now, I can say that it hasn't yet covered any topic that most people here haven't already discussed ad nausaem, but he's made some unique comments about said topics (not to make this it's own thing, but the fact that I've yet to find any critique that singles out an especially unique flaw or feature in Andromeda really speaks to the game's overall design). And given that it's an extensive spoiler review, he's able to cite specific scenes more so than other critical media. If nothing else, I just want to make people aware of Noah. He's a great critic, and I think he deserves a larger audience. Some of his other works include A Thorough Look at Mass Effect, which speaks for itself, this unique take on Obsidian's Tyranny, a c ritique of the entire Call of Duty series, and a number of other retrospectives on popular franchises.
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Post by linksocarina on May 1, 2017 23:48:33 GMT
hes basically right, Andromeda played it safe, much to its detriment at times. I don't necessarily agree with some of the criticism presented but it is the fact that the game is shackled by it's past and so risk adverse it was problematic ultimately. Not bad, but not necessarily great either.
This should be with Gervais' other videos in the archive we have on here.
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Post by colfoley on May 1, 2017 23:50:26 GMT
...Well if his opinion is that 'Andromeda played it safe' kind of glad I elected not to watch it.
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Post by linksocarina on May 1, 2017 23:51:45 GMT
...Well if his opinion is that 'Andromeda played it safe' kind of glad I elected not to watch it. Honestly, I would. He is basically what I try to be in my own work, scholarly minded in the critique and where the ball lies in what the game is trying to accomplish, and present both good and bad to our perspective and give it context. Unlike the smudboys in the world, this is what good academic takes on a piece of video game medium are. Critique over review.
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Post by cypherj on May 2, 2017 0:11:51 GMT
His entire summary at the end sums up my feeling on the game, but the one part that does it best was when he was talking about how the enemy stealing genetic material and turning us into them has already been used in every ME game so far, and ended with:
"Andromeda is a fresh start, to be this stale and uncreative is a choice that was deliberately made."
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Post by NUM13ER on May 2, 2017 0:29:52 GMT
Ouch...calling it the Blues Brothers 2000 of videogame RPG's is as harsh a statement I've heard. However, whilst I think it's too hyperbolic, I do get what he's aiming at.
This game really only exists because there's a franchise to make money off and it's too often an imitation of something we love without ever reaching the same heights. It does feel like Mass Effect by committee rather than the bold, ambitious venture the first game set out to be.
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Post by timebean on May 2, 2017 0:53:56 GMT
This is my new favorite reviewer. Thanks so much for sharing! I am going to check out more of his videos. Edited to add my favorite highlights. - Just went back and skimmed through it, and watched with my boyfriend who also enjoyed it (and laughed alot). - One of his best points was the way he described the tonal dialogue in MEA versus the paragon/renegade dialogue in MET as "emotional complexity versus player identity". Very true. I preferred P/R system, because I preferred the extreme differences in identity. On the other hand, I can totally understand why some folks would prefer to play the same character with different tones (which I found very effective in DAI, but not so much in MEA). - Every thing he said about the inventory/crafting system is spot on. - He mentioned Cool Runnings. - and vat-grown hamburger (ouch!) - He focuses the first 1/2 of the video on my major gripe, which is the lack of risk in the story and emotional weight in the characters (and he does it eloquently, without emotional foot-stamping). I found it refreshing (especially considering that emotional foot-stamping is about all I can do to try to explain what I didn't like!).
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Post by suikoden on May 2, 2017 1:33:47 GMT
Quality review - lotta details left out by most reviewers included in his review.
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Post by mugwump v1 on May 2, 2017 2:24:48 GMT
That was a really interesting listen - thanks for the share.
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Post by linksocarina on May 2, 2017 2:29:33 GMT
His entire summary at the end sums up my feeling on the game, but the one part that does it best was when he was talking about how the enemy stealing genetic material and turning us into them has already been used in every ME game so far, and ended with: " Andromeda is a fresh start, to be this stale and uncreative is a choice that was deliberately made." They played it safe. That is ultimately the problem.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 2, 2017 2:57:05 GMT
Don't care to know about him. The only reviewer I have liked over the years is Totalbiscuit, and I plan to keep it that way. I don't need to hear the same bla bla stuff repeated over again other reviewers like to point out. I just don't care for it anymore.
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Post by linksocarina on May 2, 2017 3:29:26 GMT
Don't care to know about him. The only reviewer I have liked over the years is Totalbiscuit, and I plan to keep it that way. I don't need to hear the same bla bla stuff repeated over again other reviewers like to point out. I just don't care for it anymore. More critique than review. Frankly he's better than john bain
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Post by RoboticWater on May 2, 2017 3:39:08 GMT
Don't care to know about him. The only reviewer I have liked over the years is Totalbiscuit, and I plan to keep it that way. I don't need to hear the same bla bla stuff repeated over again other reviewers like to point out. I just don't care for it anymore. Then at least consider checking out his non- Mass Effect content. Not that you need to, of course, but if you really care about games critique, there's no need to swear off a reviewer just because they disagree with you on a particular product. Noah's retrospectives are some of the best (and in some cases, only) in the field. And for what its worth, his stuff isn't "bla bla," and he (as with many other reviewers) doesn't like to point out the same old things. He just kinda has to, because that's how the game is.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 3:40:55 GMT
Don't care to know about him. The only reviewer I have liked over the years is Totalbiscuit, and I plan to keep it that way. I don't need to hear the same bla bla stuff repeated over again other reviewers like to point out. I just don't care for it anymore. Then at least consider checking out his non- Mass Effect content. Not that you need to, of course, but if you really care about games critique, there's no need to swear off a reviewer just because they disagree with you on a particular product. Noah's retrospectives are some of the best (and in some cases, only) in the field. And for what its worth, his stuff isn't "bla bla," and he (as with many other reviewers) doesn't like to point out the same old things. He just kinda has to, because that's how the game is. Do you follow Lorerunner aswell? Or Raycevick?
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 2, 2017 3:42:20 GMT
Don't care to know about him. The only reviewer I have liked over the years is Totalbiscuit, and I plan to keep it that way. I don't need to hear the same bla bla stuff repeated over again other reviewers like to point out. I just don't care for it anymore. Then at least consider checking out his non- Mass Effect content. Not that you need to, of course, but if you really care about games critique, there's no need to swear off a reviewer just because they disagree with you on a particular product. Noah's retrospectives are some of the best (and in some cases, only) in the field. And for what its worth, his stuff isn't "bla bla," and he (as with many other reviewers) doesn't like to point out the same old things. He just kinda has to, because that's how the game is. Sorry, the more you push for him; the more I don't want to or care too. I don't like it when people try to push their opinion on me whether it is like this or reviews.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 3:44:13 GMT
Then at least consider checking out his non- Mass Effect content. Not that you need to, of course, but if you really care about games critique, there's no need to swear off a reviewer just because they disagree with you on a particular product. Noah's retrospectives are some of the best (and in some cases, only) in the field. And for what its worth, his stuff isn't "bla bla," and he (as with many other reviewers) doesn't like to point out the same old things. He just kinda has to, because that's how the game is. Sorry, the more you push for him; the more I don't want to or care too. I don't like it when people try to push their opinion on me whether it is like this or reviews. He is not pushing his opinion. He suggest that you watch good critique and analysis of videogames. Something fans of the medium should be Interested in.
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Post by Doctor Fumbles on May 2, 2017 3:48:14 GMT
Sorry, the more you push for him; the more I don't want to or care too. I don't like it when people try to push their opinion on me whether it is like this or reviews. He is not pushing his opinion. He suggest that you watch good critique and analysis of videogames. Something fans of the medium should be Interested in. It is pushing the way he keeps mentioning it and how he does it. You are pushing it as well. Let me put it more bluntly, I don't give two fucks about his opinion, nor will I ever give two fucks about that guys opinion. Frankly, I am fucking tired of seeing no name youtubers be brought up here, but that is another matter entirely. This conversation is now over. I am out of here. /peace
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Post by suikoden on May 2, 2017 3:51:20 GMT
Don't care to know about him. The only reviewer I have liked over the years is Totalbiscuit, and I plan to keep it that way. I don't need to hear the same bla bla stuff repeated over again other reviewers like to point out. I just don't care for it anymore. So you and colfoley just posted to say you didn't bother listening to the review? Lol - you're like ostriches with you heads in the sand.
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Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 3:51:34 GMT
He is not pushing his opinion. He suggest that you watch good critique and analysis of videogames. Something fans of the medium should be Interested in. It is pushing the way he keeps mentioning it and how he does it. You are pushing it as well. Let me put it more bluntly, I don't give two fucks about his opinion, nor will I ever give two fucks about that guys opinion. Frankly, I am fucking tired of seeing no name youtubers be brought up here, but that is another matter entirely. This conversation is now over. I am out of here. /peace Well that is your loss then. If you never wanted to watch the guy anyway, why did you even post in the thread? So uh, take care, and calm down, mayhap.
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Post by RoboticWater on May 2, 2017 3:51:54 GMT
Then at least consider checking out his non- Mass Effect content. Not that you need to, of course, but if you really care about games critique, there's no need to swear off a reviewer just because they disagree with you on a particular product. Noah's retrospectives are some of the best (and in some cases, only) in the field. And for what its worth, his stuff isn't "bla bla," and he (as with many other reviewers) doesn't like to point out the same old things. He just kinda has to, because that's how the game is. Sorry, the more you push for him; the more I don't want to or care too. I don't like it when people try to push their opinion on me whether it is like this or reviews. But I'm not pushing an opinion onto you, I'm pushing you towards an opinion so you might just consider it. You don't have to agree, it's just good to expose yourself to opinions. This doesn't need to be a standoff; I just think Noah does a good job presenting a side of games I don't often consider. It didn't happen in this case due to the nature of Andromeda, but this is an anomaly within the entirety of his work. His videos are usually well over an hour, so I can't blame anyone for saying "I just don't have time," and if you honestly don't care about games analysis I can't really blame you either; it's not for everyone. But if your only reason is: "I don't want to hear other opinions," then I think that's simply small-minded of you.
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Post by suikoden on May 2, 2017 3:56:13 GMT
He is not pushing his opinion. He suggest that you watch good critique and analysis of videogames. Something fans of the medium should be Interested in. It is pushing the way he keeps mentioning it and how he does it. You are pushing it as well. Let me put it more bluntly, I don't give two fucks about his opinion, nor will I ever give two fucks about that guys opinion. Frankly, I am fucking tired of seeing no name youtubers be brought up here, but that is another matter entirely. This conversation is now over. I am out of here. /peace What about professional reviewers' opinions then? www.metacritic.com/game/playstation-4/mass-effect-andromedaIf you don't like other people's opinions pushed on you... And you're in a Bioware forum... You're gonna have a bad time. *push.
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Post by Pearl on May 2, 2017 4:14:09 GMT
This was an excellent critique, thanks for sharing. I clicked expecting to only watch a few minutes of it to get the gist of his perspective, but wound up watching the entire thing. He does a very good job of substantiating his criticisms and balancing that out with highlighting things the games did well, and injecting humor every now and then to add some flavor to his analysis. I agree with quite a lot of what he had to say, although there were a few times where I felt that he was being a tad hyperbolic. I guess that's to be expected given the nature of this video and it's length, though, and some of them were clearly embellished for comedic effect.
The only real complaints I have about the video are related to the overall production quality and not the content itself. His microphone has a perceptible background hiss, which while it isn't distracting or overly intrusive, is undeniable. Additionally, there are a handful of times where he stumbles over his words, or takes pauses long enough to make his sentences feel disjointed, but these are relatively minor and could be fixed fairly easily if he decides to invest more time into the recording process.
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Post by erikson on May 2, 2017 4:25:48 GMT
Sorry, the more you push for him; the more I don't want to or care too. I don't like it when people try to push their opinion on me whether it is like this or reviews. But I'm not pushing an opinion onto you, I'm pushing you towards an opinion so you might just consider it. You don't have to agree, it's just good to expose yourself to opinions. This doesn't need to be a standoff; I just think Noah does a good job presenting a side of games I don't often consider. It didn't happen in this case due to the nature of Andromeda, but this is an anomaly within the entirety of his work. His videos are usually well over an hour, so I can't blame anyone for saying "I just don't have time," and if you honestly don't care about games analysis I can't really blame you either; it's not for everyone. But if your only reason is: "I don't want to hear other opinions," then I think that's simply small-minded of you. I myself would love to interact with this critique, but I have very little tolerance for videos. Evertime I am browsing the web and see an article that sounds interesting and then click on it and find a video, I immediately close it. I'm probably too old fashioned, and prefer to read, especially if the content is long in form. That said, it doesn't sound too terribly unreasonable, althought to what extent I would agree or not would depend on further analysis. A lot of the argument from people around here is that the game is too different from the trilogy, so in what ways should it have strayed further from the template is something I would have to watch the video to asses fairly. I'll ask out of curiosity, does he see Andromeda, as a franchise, going forward as salvageable or does he feel sequels will inevitably suffer coming off the game is it is currently established? Thanks for the contribution.
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Post by bryanky5 on May 2, 2017 4:38:33 GMT
He is not pushing his opinion. He suggest that you watch good critique and analysis of videogames. Something fans of the medium should be Interested in. It is pushing the way he keeps mentioning it and how he does it. You are pushing it as well. Let me put it more bluntly, I don't give two fucks about his opinion, nor will I ever give two fucks about that guys opinion. Frankly, I am fucking tired of seeing no name youtubers be brought up here, but that is another matter entirely. This conversation is now over. I am out of here. /peace You know you can simply ignore this if it annoys you so much right? You didn't have to respond I frankly don't care about 99% reviews either.
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Post by CatcheJagger on May 2, 2017 4:46:11 GMT
I'm a big fan of Gervais' content, thanks for posting!
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