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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 20:06:41 GMT
I don't remember them ever using that language (CO, commander) in the game - you're carrying that over from the trilogy. The Ai is a civilian organization. The game isn't clear about reporting structure, but the only people who might be direct reports to Ryder are Cora and Liam. The services of the rest of the crew are either Nexus related (provided by Tann) or volunteers. [...] Not sure if trolling or serious. If serious, you might want to check out what the GENERAL term CO mean. General term? I don't know where you come from, but my familiarity with the term CO is strictly military. People who work with civilian organizations are not typically subject to military rules and regs. Yes, Suvi is the science officer assigned to travel with and support the human Pathfinder. She works very closely with the science team on the Nexus - and in terms of organizational hierarchy, probably reports to them. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 3, 2017 20:27:48 GMT
Wait, people think pathfinders are milatary? ....ha
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Post by colfoley on May 3, 2017 20:48:30 GMT
It would be really interesting...perhaps worthy of its own thread...to examine the contrasting leadership styles of Ryder and Shepard.
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Post by erikson on May 3, 2017 20:55:00 GMT
It would be really interesting...perhaps worthy of its own thread...to examine the contrasting leadership styles of Ryder and Shepard. It would take multiple threads to cover that. Some of the Shepards people here describe feel like complete and utter strangers to me.  |
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Post by dm04 on May 3, 2017 20:55:01 GMT
Wait, people think pathfinders are milatary? ....ha No, but the knowledge of some people is abysmal and/or they take a "non perfect" choice of words as an excuse to attack. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 3, 2017 20:58:25 GMT
Wait, people think pathfinders are milatary? ....ha No, but the knowledge of some people is abysmal and/or they take an "non perfect" choice of words as an excute to attack. on point even cruse ships have military terms for titles for their essential personal. It just classification. Yet people have the urge to turn into Stalin if given any form of authority. |
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Post by dm04 on May 3, 2017 21:03:12 GMT
It would be really interesting...perhaps worthy of its own thread...to examine the contrasting leadership styles of Ryder and Shepard. It would take multiple threads to cover that. Some of the Shepards people here describe feel like complete and utter strangers to me. Way too much stuff taken out of context and way too many people are reduced to "kill on sight, ask questions later 'renegade' Shepards". |
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Post by dreman999 on May 3, 2017 21:03:40 GMT
We'll have to agree to disagree. Ok, I just hope you will never have to deal with a serious situation and kids are going to be your biggest wories. If s... starts to boil, hope you will nerver get a Ryder as leader  . seriously Ryder is not a bad leader. He's just a new one learning the ropes. For someone with no past leadership abilities to do what they have done speaks volumes. It's also kind of a shocked to me that people expect for someone who is new leadership should somehow magically know how to lead with no issues. I think it's more of a case that people need to understand that Ryder is a character written to be learning to be a leader and they should stop expecting him to know what it is to be a leader. Eventually Ryder that Rally's the entire heel is cluster the takedown the archon. You don't need to be that strict as you expect to be to be a leader. In short Ryder may be rough around the edges but he eventually becomes a good leader. |
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Post by erikson on May 3, 2017 21:05:04 GMT
It would take multiple threads to cover that. Some of the Shepards people here describe feel like complete and utter strangers to me. Way too much stuff taken out of context and way too many people are reduced to "kill on sight, ask questions later 'renegade' Shepards". Too many people comoplaining how they can't murder everyone in the Andromeda system. I can't be blamed for the context. |
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 21:06:47 GMT
Wait, people think pathfinders are milatary? ....ha No, but the knowledge of some people is abysmal and/or they take a "non perfect" choice of words as an excuse to attack. Who attacked you? Word choice can enhance or obfuscate meaning. It's a lot easier to engage in meaningful discussion when we can communicate with greater clarity. And, as a side note - I think it's important to recognize that the Ai is not a military organization. There are a lot of comparisons being made between Ryder and Shepard, but their roles, organizational objectives, and organizational structures are vastly different. And I feel that the civilian versus military distinction is very pertinent in a discussion about leadership skills. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 3, 2017 21:14:28 GMT
Way too much stuff taken out of context and way too many people are reduced to "kill on sight, ask questions later 'renegade' Shepards". Too many people comoplaining how they can't murder everyone in the Andromeda system. I can't be blamed for the context. people been doing that from me2. Do you know how many topics that have been made about venting character x out into space because they did so minor thing people have made? |
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Post by kotoreffect3 on May 3, 2017 21:27:40 GMT
Got annoyed that I couldn't get back in Addison's face the way she got in my face. I remember in the trilogy when Udina or Sparatus gave Shepard crap Shepard could give it right back.
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Post by dm04 on May 3, 2017 21:29:37 GMT
Way too much stuff taken out of context and way too many people are reduced to "kill on sight, ask questions later 'renegade' Shepards". Too many people comoplaining how they can't murder everyone in the Andromeda system. I can't be blamed for the context. A lot of people do not know how to give the proper words to their wishes. Basicaly, "noone" is asking for Tann to end in an airlock, or Peebee with a bullet in her head, but for an option that is NOT "yes sir/mam, you are my cuddlebear and I want to cuddle you so hard, it will take your breath". Peebees "loyalty" missions goes like this: 1) Peebee: Ryder help me 2) Ryder: ok 3) Peebee disengages the escape pod 4) on the way down Ryder is slightl friendly to neutral 5) on landfall Ryder can be very hostile (or very friendly) 6) during the mission Ryder is again mostly slightly friendly to neutral 7) at the end Peebee says thanks As Ryder I would like to say now "you are welcome, but you screwed, you will have a hard time earning any trust back". No headshot. No airlock. No boot in the ass and out of the team. |
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Post by erikson on May 3, 2017 21:36:04 GMT
Too many people comoplaining how they can't murder everyone in the Andromeda system. I can't be blamed for the context. A lot of people do not know how to give the proper words to their wishes. Basicaly, "noone" is asking for Tann to end in an airlock, or Peebee with a bullet in her head, but for an option that is NOT "yes sir/mam, you are my cuddlebear and I want to cuddle you so hard, it will take your breath". Peebees "loyalty" missions goes like this: 1) Peebee: Ryder help me 2) Ryder: ok 3) Peebee disengages the escape pod 4) on the way down Ryder is slightl friendly to neutral 5) on landfall Ryder can be very hostile (or very friendly) 6) during the mission Ryder is again mostly slightly friendly to neutral 7) at the end Peebee says thanks As Ryder I would like to say now "you are welcome, but you screwed, you will have a hard time earning any trust back". No headshot. No airlock. No boot in the ass and out of the team. Then people are responsable for the context they create. Less homicidal fantasies would go a long way as a corrective. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 3, 2017 21:38:52 GMT
Got annoyed that I couldn't get back in Addison's face the way she got in my face. I remember in the trilogy when Udina or Sparatus gave Shepard crap Shepard could give it right back. ok, i'll give you that. but Shepard had actual accomplishments to back that bark. |
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Post by fygee on May 3, 2017 21:42:14 GMT
Different characters, different personalities, different situations.
I like and appreciate the Ryders and Shepards fairly equally, and I like that the Ryders aren't Shepard 2.0. The fact that they have a sense of humor and aren't always hard asses is actually pretty refreshing. Those kinds of characters are really cliche in RPGs, and games in general.
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Post by dreman999 on May 3, 2017 21:42:34 GMT
Too many people comoplaining how they can't murder everyone in the Andromeda system. I can't be blamed for the context. A lot of people do not know how to give the proper words to their wishes. Basicaly, "noone" is asking for Tann to end in an airlock, or Peebee with a bullet in her head, but for an option that is NOT "yes sir/mam, you are my cuddlebear and I want to cuddle you so hard, it will take your breath". Peebees "loyalty" missions goes like this: 1) Peebee: Ryder help me 2) Ryder: ok 3) Peebee disengages the escape pod 4) on the way down Ryder is slightl friendly to neutral 5) on landfall Ryder can be very hostile (or very friendly) 6) during the mission Ryder is again mostly slightly friendly to neutral 7) at the end Peebee says thanks As Ryder I would like to say now "you are welcome, but you screwed, you will have a hard time earning any trust back". No headshot. No airlock. No boot in the ass and out of the team. You can put any character in that and the issue would be the same result. Zaeed could pull an actually gun on Shepard and threaten to kill them and Shepard could do jack because the sc mission was not done yet and the plot did not allow it. Sorry but ME never was a murder knife game. What were you expecting? |
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Post by dreman999 on May 3, 2017 21:43:22 GMT
Different characters, different personalities, different situations. I like and appreciate the Ryders and Shepards fairly equally, and I like that the Ryders aren't Shepard 2.0. The fact that they have a sense of humor and aren't always hard asses is actually pretty refreshing. Those kinds of characters are really cliche in RPGs, and games in general. Of topic your avatar is waaaaay toooo distracting.....I aprove. |
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Post by dm04 on May 3, 2017 21:47:04 GMT
A lot of people do not know how to give the proper words to their wishes. Basicaly, "noone" is asking for Tann to end in an airlock, or Peebee with a bullet in her head, but for an option that is NOT "yes sir/mam, you are my cuddlebear and I want to cuddle you so hard, it will take your breath". Peebees "loyalty" missions goes like this: 1) Peebee: Ryder help me 2) Ryder: ok 3) Peebee disengages the escape pod 4) on the way down Ryder is slightl friendly to neutral 5) on landfall Ryder can be very hostile (or very friendly) 6) during the mission Ryder is again mostly slightly friendly to neutral 7) at the end Peebee says thanks As Ryder I would like to say now "you are welcome, but you screwed, you will have a hard time earning any trust back". No headshot. No airlock. No boot in the ass and out of the team. You can put any character in that and the issue would be the same result. Zaeed could pull an actually gun on Shepard and threaten to kill them and Shepard could do jack because the sc mission was not done yet and the plot did not allow it. Sorry but ME never was a murder knife game. What were you expecting? To tell her I am not amused, how hard is this to understand???????????? And this is MEA and not ME2, so because I couldnt do shit about such behavior in ME2 it is somehow ok now? Never said it was ok in ME2. Besides, after Zaeed pulls out that stunt, he gets some hard words from Shepard. Peebee gets a pat on the back. |
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 3, 2017 21:55:43 GMT
A lot of people do not know how to give the proper words to their wishes. Basicaly, "noone" is asking for Tann to end in an airlock, or Peebee with a bullet in her head, but for an option that is NOT "yes sir/mam, you are my cuddlebear and I want to cuddle you so hard, it will take your breath". Peebees "loyalty" missions goes like this: 1) Peebee: Ryder help me 2) Ryder: ok 3) Peebee disengages the escape pod 4) on the way down Ryder is slightl friendly to neutral 5) on landfall Ryder can be very hostile (or very friendly) 6) during the mission Ryder is again mostly slightly friendly to neutral 7) at the end Peebee says thanks As Ryder I would like to say now "you are welcome, but you screwed, you will have a hard time earning any trust back". No headshot. No airlock. No boot in the ass and out of the team. You can put any character in that and the issue would be the same result. Zaeed could pull an actually gun on Shepard and threaten to kill them and Shepard could do jack because the sc mission was not done yet and the plot did not allow it. Sorry but ME never was a murder knife game. What were you expecting? For the record: you can actually leavezaeed to burn after he pulls the gun on you. |
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Post by dreman999 on May 3, 2017 21:58:24 GMT
You can put any character in that and the issue would be the same result. Zaeed could pull an actually gun on Shepard and threaten to kill them and Shepard could do jack because the sc mission was not done yet and the plot did not allow it. Sorry but ME never was a murder knife game. What were you expecting? To tell her I am not amused, how hard is this to understand???????????? And this is MEA and not ME2, so because I couldnt do shit about such behavior in ME2 it is somehow ok now? Never said it was ok in ME2. Besides, after Zaeed pulls out that stunt, he gets some hard words from Shepard. Peebee gets a pat on the back. we are what we repeatedly do. Add bioware did that with ME 3 times then.... |
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Post by dreman999 on May 3, 2017 21:59:55 GMT
You can put any character in that and the issue would be the same result. Zaeed could pull an actually gun on Shepard and threaten to kill them and Shepard could do jack because the sc mission was not done yet and the plot did not allow it. Sorry but ME never was a murder knife game. What were you expecting? For the record: you can actually leavezaeed to burn after he pulls the gun on you. I covered that when I said " shepard could not do jack because the sc mission was not done yet and the plot did not allow it." |
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Post by ShadowAngel on May 3, 2017 22:08:44 GMT
For the record: you can actually leavezaeed to burn after he pulls the gun on you. I covered that when I said " shepard could not do jack because the sc mission was not done yet and the plot did not allow it."Then exactly how could Shepard "not do jack"? When you can leave him after him doing so? You can also argue vs him in various points in his loyalty mission as well as smacking him with your weapon in one of them telling him to get his shit together. guess I'm missing the point then. |
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Post by mmoblitz on May 3, 2017 22:10:53 GMT
Wrong. Both Shepard and Ryder should be who WE want to be. That's the meaning of a roleplay game. Give us a choice, this is all we wanted. You mean who you want to be? Everyone has different tastes. Also, haven't we already played the badass space marine? Do people just want more of the same but just with different targets? People want the option to, but that was taken away. Just like other things in MEA. It's now a more streamlined game with fewer options in the areas that I care about. |
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Post by kumazan on May 3, 2017 22:14:42 GMT
You mean who you want to be? Everyone has different tastes. Also, haven't we already played the badass space marine? Do people just want more of the same but just with different targets? People want the option to, but that was taken away. Just like other things in MEA. It's now a more streamlined game with fewer options in the areas that I care about. No, it's exactly as streamlined as the OT was, only in a different way. I get people may prefer the OT way though. |
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