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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 16, 2017 3:42:04 GMT
I agree with this. Maybe the writing has to do with Ryder being a rookie and 22 years old, AND they probably didn't want to create a duplicate Shepard in terms of character, but still Ryder felt like he was getting steam-rolled in alot of conversations. It's funny you mention this because I often felt that Sheppy-poo was steamrolled as well. I think we're going to be stuck with that because these games have rails they have to ride. You speak the truth. |
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Post by colfoley on May 16, 2017 3:44:47 GMT
It's funny you mention this because I often felt that Sheppy-poo was steamrolled as well. I think we're going to be stuck with that because these games have rails they have to ride. You speak the truth. He is the incredible face of truth, if you stick a quarter in his nose he starts sprouting random wisdom...or internet memes. |
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Post by themikefest on May 16, 2017 3:45:04 GMT
Heh, well, you know BioWare villains are slave to the plot. The reapers are the greatest example of all. But in this scenario, this banks on the idea that the Archon can fully control the situation on both ends. If the Archon leaves with Sibling to use the implant, but leaves the Hyperion behind, Ryder wouldn't really have to follow him to prevent him from controlling Meridian. All Ryder has to do is repel the kett from Nexus space with the remnant fighters and whatever other fighters the Initiative and allies have, make their way to the habitation deck and disconnect SAM. The Archon would basically be pissing in the wind and I guess he just went on a long wasteful road trip with a SAMless Sibling. Really then, it comes down to whether or not you're risking the lives of tens of thousands to save a single person. The remnant forces were useless. Even Archie makes a comment about that. If it wasn't for the scourge, the kett would have destroyed whatever attack the rookie had when going after Meridian. In that case, if I was Archie, after sticking the needle in the rookie, have the forces board the tempest and take all crew as prisoners and then give them the exaltation treatment. There you go. No reason to go after Archies ship. It wasn't a priority until the rookie made it one |
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Post by Cyan_Griffonclaw on May 16, 2017 3:47:31 GMT
He is the incredible face of truth, if you stick a quarter in his nose he starts sprouting random wisdom...or internet memes. I better hit the bank. |
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Post by colfoley on May 16, 2017 3:49:48 GMT
Heh, well, you know BioWare villains are slave to the plot. The reapers are the greatest example of all. But in this scenario, this banks on the idea that the Archon can fully control the situation on both ends. If the Archon leaves with Sibling to use the implant, but leaves the Hyperion behind, Ryder wouldn't really have to follow him to prevent him from controlling Meridian. All Ryder has to do is repel the kett from Nexus space with the remnant fighters and whatever other fighters the Initiative and allies have, make their way to the habitation deck and disconnect SAM. The Archon would basically be pissing in the wind and I guess he just went on a long wasteful road trip with a SAMless Sibling. Really then, it comes down to whether or not you're risking the lives of tens of thousands to save a single person. The remnant forces were useless. Even Archie makes a comment about that. If it wasn't for the scourge, the kett would have destroyed whatever attack the rookie had when going after Meridian. In that case, if I was Archie, after sticking the needle in the rookie, have the forces board the tempest and take all crew as prisoners and then give them the exaltation treatment. There you go. No reason to go after Archies ship. It wasn't a priority until the rookie made it one Hence proving the rookie has a mind and has tactical and strategic chops and knows how to use the resources given to them. And that is not how exaltation works. Likely the only one of the crew Archie would have been able to exalt would have been Drack. But its not Borg assimilation. There are multiple referances to how it takes time. |
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Post by Fen'Harel Faceman on May 16, 2017 3:51:36 GMT
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Post by themikefest on May 16, 2017 3:54:32 GMT
Hence proving the rookie has a mind and has tactical and strategic chops and knows how to use the resources given to them. Sure. Too bad she/he didn't use those tactical and strategic chops when going after Archies ship, right? I don't care how it works. Just taking the crew and squad would have prevented any escape. |
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Post by colfoley on May 16, 2017 3:57:57 GMT
Hence proving the rookie has a mind and has tactical and strategic chops and knows how to use the resources given to them. Sure. Too bad she/he didn't use those tactical and strategic chops when going after Archies ship, right? I don't care how it works. Just taking the crew and squad would have prevented any escape. Sure. If I remember the quest right at the time the Tempest was far away, and as Kaiser pointed out the Tempest is resistant to sensor scans. I do not remember any indication in the quest that the Archon knew where the Tempest was. And...he had little reason to capture the Tempest at the time. He had bigger fish to fry and his main concern was already tightly under his control. |
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Post by themikefest on May 16, 2017 4:04:18 GMT
Sure. If I remember the quest right at the time the Tempest was far away, and as Kaiser pointed out the Tempest is resistant to sensor scans. I do not remember any indication in the quest that the Archon knew where the Tempest was. And...he had little reason to capture the Tempest at the time. He had bigger fish to fry and his main concern was already tightly under his control. We were talking about if the salarian ship wasn't captured and tethered. I'm talking about the mission the way it is in the game. |
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Post by colfoley on May 16, 2017 4:05:59 GMT
Sure. If I remember the quest right at the time the Tempest was far away, and as Kaiser pointed out the Tempest is resistant to sensor scans. I do not remember any indication in the quest that the Archon knew where the Tempest was. And...he had little reason to capture the Tempest at the time. He had bigger fish to fry and his main concern was already tightly under his control. We were talking about if the salarian ship wasn't captured and tethered. I'm talking about the mission the way it is in the game. And in the mission the Archon made no reference to knowing where the Tempest was, how is he going to capture something if he does not know it is there? |
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Post by themikefest on May 16, 2017 4:13:15 GMT
And in the mission the Archon made no reference to knowing where the Tempest was, how is he going to capture something if he does not know it is there? Once Ryder starts attcking the kett, the alarms sound. Archie has a team check to see where they entered. Someone tells him that a certain hatch has been breached. He sends forces to that location. You still didn't answer the question. Where were Ryder's tactical and strategic chops, as you call them, when it came to that mission? |
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Post by aglomeracja on May 16, 2017 11:11:26 GMT
Which reminds me about the wasted opportunity the Asari ark was... Sarissa make a hard decision to sacrifice the pathfinder for valuable data, but they never explain why this data was of any importance. They keep calling it "the kett data" and even though there is some hint that she went after it to save the whole ark it's never explained how it was supposed to help. We just never get learn anything that would help to determine whether it was a reasonable call or not. Instead, the only thing suddenly everyone cares about is that she didn't tell anyone about it and then she does a really horrible job defending herself. After that for some reason the captain of Asari ark suggest we can replace her. Just like that, even though it wasn't possible in Ryder's case. " Vederia? Maybe a pathfinder with some humility can do better. You can look to Ryder's example." Really? I mean, really? Is humility the trait that a good pathfinder needs? That's what this quest is about  ? Vederia is an infantile rookie with no resolve and we're even considering her for that role? Why? Because she seems like a nice person? Seems like it. I really don't like Andromeda's writing, it's like fantasy of saving the galaxy cluster through incompetence and politness. Yet its also very consistant with your typical Asari psychology. And besides, why the line may seem a little odd you have to account for the fact the Asari Captain was pissed at Sarissa for: Not doing her job. For getting her ship in trouble. And getting a lot of her people killed. Whereas Vedaria may be untrained but did her job admirably. As far as the data is concerned. Its made quite explicit through the quest that it is the scourge mapping that the Kett has used to get a jump on everyone. Sarrissa speculates that they can then turn those routes against the Kett while Cora says something...similar. Damn and I just did this quest that morning. 1-3. We don't know if any of that is true. You're right they say at the beginning what the data is for, it's supposed to contain the "secret pathways through scourge". They don't make a good job explaining anything else about it unfortunately. Why getting this data would cause anything of this? If you know "secret pathways" you probably should use them to run away. Sarrissa says she wanted to use them agains the Kett, but never explains how so this doesn't really change anything I wrote previously. Asari captain says it braught more trouble and caused more losses, Sarrisa claims that it she sacrificed one to save lives of many. The dialogue goes: -"I chose protecting all these people over a single life. The choice they train to make us" -"But you didn't tell anyone" That's the moment when the whole investigation ends and you're supposed to make a choice based on nothing but emotions. First of all, everything you learn about the situation is what NPC's are telling you, the game doesn't show you anything else and NPC's are just contradicting each other. There is no way to judge if it was a reasonable choice or a complete fuck up. Vederia did a good job, but what she did had nothing to do with being a pathfinder so I've no idea why would that matter. |
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Post by laxian on May 17, 2017 11:00:40 GMT
...same for Sloan Kelly and that other guy (damned, forgot the name)...he/she would have cleaned house on Kadara!) Just like Shepard cleaned house on Omega, and freed it from criminal rule no doubt. Of course, Shepard would never associate with assassins, thieves, or their ilk, either. Oh, wait... Well, Aria is ESTABLISHED and she has an ARMY (she has fucking warships - Omega DLC anybody?) and she keeps the region stable (otherwise one of the other Terminus factions will just take over!)...hell, even the Council (with the 3 largest militaries in the galaxy!) is afraid of tangling with the Terminus systems (!) As for Sloan (or that other guy...yeah, I should look up the name - sorry!): She's our responsibility! We more or less put her there and she's the one who kicked out the Kett and more or less took over (the Angara there are her servants more or less)...we didn't install Aria in the MW! She ran the Terminus already when Shepard's great-grandfather was in diapers (!) So yeah, the comparison doesn't fit...if anything you can compare Sloan Kelly to Fist from the first Mass Effect! A human criminal who's not all that well established and who betrayed his employer (in his case the Shadow Broker and in Sloan's case it's the A.I. who's chief of security she had been prior to joining and becoming head honcho of the mutineers that call themselves the outcasts!) greetings LAX |
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